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    How can be possible Jaqen H'gar in D&D 3.5. Let's build the class and equipaments!

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    Master of many forms

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    A man is a Rogue/Assassin.

    (A man only pretends to be an alchemist.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwin1993 View Post
    Master of many forms
    The Faceless Men cannot take on the forms of beasts, nor do they gain the skills of those whose faces they take.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troacctid View Post
    A man is a Rogue/Assassin.

    (A man only pretends to be an alchemist.)
    I don't think assassin is appropriate - a man is neither a red priest nor a warlock, to meddle with magics. The faces seem to be magic items, so normal rogue should work fine. With a level of SA fighter, perhaps, given the Faceless Men's skill with many weapons.
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    Changeling Rogue / Assassin or Avenger (nonevil assassin)

    Alternatively just straight up human Rogue/Assassin using the alter self spell to change their form.
    Spells known:
    1) detect poison, sniper shot, silent portal, true strike
    2) alter self, marked object, wraithstrike, getaway

    Equipment: tons of poison

    There is also a false identity magic item. From eberron iirc. Have it cost lowered by being specific to faceless man class and kn religion ranks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guigarci View Post
    Changeling Rogue / Assassin or Avenger (nonevil assassin)

    Alternatively just straight up human Rogue/Assassin using the alter self spell to change their form.
    Spells known:
    1) detect poison, sniper shot, silent portal, true strike
    2) alter self, marked object, wraithstrike, getaway

    Equipment: tons of poison

    There is also a false identity magic item. From eberron iirc. Have it cost lowered by being specific to faceless man class and kn religion ranks
    So... disguise skills? so many points or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by runnice View Post
    So... disguise skills? so many points or not?
    Disguise, Hide, Sleight of Hand, and Move Silently are maxed; Tumble, Perform (Acting) and Bluff all high ish; ditto for Craft (Alchemy) or Craft (Poisonmaking)
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    Player: I'm very convincing.
    DM: And there are no guards.
    Player: But there's masonry.
    DM: It's not even animate, let alone sentient.
    Player: That's ok. I'll take the penalty.

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    Changeling Rogue is a good place to start. I'd say Spymaster is probably a good fit for that super disguisey goodness. Maybe splash in a little Chameleon for a random sampling of special abilities to help really nail that cover identity.
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    I think it's clear he's got a level in binder allowing him to bind naberious (who is fluff-wise the faceless god or something) allowing him to disguise self at will (change faces), heal ability damage absurdly fast (seemingly be immune to the poison in the water), and have a silver as **** tongue, allowing him to go where he pleases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    I think it's clear he's got a level in binder allowing him to bind naberious (who is fluff-wise the faceless god or something) allowing him to disguise self at will (change faces), heal ability damage absurdly fast (seemingly be immune to the poison in the water), and have a silver as **** tongue, allowing him to go where he pleases.
    Can you get those abilities off Bind Vestige, or do you actually need to take the level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    Can you get those abilities off Bind Vestige, or do you actually need to take the level?
    The two feats only give you silver tongue and naberious' skills (something I forgot about, but would be quite useful for pretending to be say, a craftsman, or a sailor, or a merchant), so you'd need to take at least 1 level, though I'd imagine 2 would be better, to be able to hide the sign (Your voice deepens and acquires a gravelly, growling tone).
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    He is pretty clearly a Factotum7/kubg fu genius or carmadine monk 3/thrall of jubilex 4. He uses the factotum for sneak attack and invisibility, gets int to damage, naturally secrets poison and can shift into anyone at will.
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    A man is a human rogue with the Mimic and Feign Death variants. This is known.

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    It seems that while specific faces could be taken from the wall, well trained faceless had remote access.

    Perhaps you can just make it rogue > whatever prestige class fits the given character, and make the Hall of Faces into a touchstone location?

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    This may be cheating, but ...

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    I'd argue for changeling rogue / master of masks. Something like chameleon or assassin seems too magical to me.

    Edit: Doesn't the Spymaster (or one of the other Spy prcs) allow you to study an identity and then use it?

    Double Edit: Both Spymaster and Zhentarim Spy get that ability.
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    The faces in the house of black and white are Masks of the Misplaced Aura (SCoT) that have a continuous Alter Self effect to a particular persona. They are cost reduced so as to need special training (ranks in various skills, levels in a class...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deophaun View Post
    Player: I'll use a classic ploy. "Help! Guards! He's having a seizure!"
    DM: You're the only one in the prison.
    Player: I'm very convincing.
    DM: And there are no guards.
    Player: But there's masonry.
    DM: It's not even animate, let alone sentient.
    Player: That's ok. I'll take the penalty.

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