V's Gender Debate IV [Official]

[Aetthyng]

Yeah, but Haley is talking about how the point of the three Xykons is not that one of them is the right one, but that everyone is fooled into trying to figure it out...

[Starscream]

I think V and I are a gay couple O_O.

That's an interesting way of putting it.

[Dixieboy]

That's an interesting way of putting it.

Ehehehehe

I see what you did thar.

[Zanaril]

I think V and I are a gay couple O_O.

If future, if anyone wants to know why "Inkyrius" should be abbreviated to "K", this shall be quoted.

[Linkavitch]

While i agree with you on V being male and being in a homosexual realationship, you aren't really bringing anything new into this, EVERYTHING has been tried to prove V's gender.

Even eye size.

Seriously? Eye size? I've never seen that before. Huh.

[Kish]

Eye position, rather.

(Apparently male characters in OotS are consistently drawn with their eyes lower in their heads than female characters. Vaarsuvius' eyes are--of course--between the two positions...)

[Wreckingrocc]

Eye position, rather.

(Apparently male characters in OotS are consistently drawn with their eyes lower in their heads than female characters. Vaarsuvius' eyes are--of course--between the two positions...)

Got it reversed; female eyes are below the male eyes.

Elves, even in settings like Tolkein's Middle Earth, are exceedingly effeminate. The eyes, methinks, should have been put in the female position.

I personally take V to be male, and thought the 'you'll never know' part of the joke kind of killed it; I don't see how anyone could assume V was female; Elves are freaking effeminate all the time...

But, that aside, I really hope these threads stop popping up. How many would appear if you used the search engine for "V's Gender"?

[Kish]

I personally take V to be male, and thought the 'you'll never know' part of the joke kind of killed it;

Indeed, the joke you thought was there died because it wasn't actually the joke that was meant to be there.

[jogiff]

All females with glowing eyes have thin outlines (if any). When V's eyes were glowing, they had thick outlines like a male.

There. conclusive proof that V is a male.

[Silverraptor]

If future, if anyone wants to know why "Inkyrius" should be abbreviated to "K", this shall be quoted.

...*GASP* I...I was... laughing so-o-o... hard th-that I couldn't... couldn't make a so-sound.

[jogiff]

All females with glowing eyes have thin outlines (if any). When V's eyes were glowing, they had thick outlines like a male.

There. conclusive proof that V is a male.

It also means that Durkon is female though. Hmmm, maybe V's gender will remain a mystery.

[Jerthanis]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0428.html
We may have been given hints since the beginning, but I'm pretty sure the giant would not have given any useful information - if he could help it. Throwing Inkyrius into the mix was just another poke at the sore that has tormented us since the beginning. Right? Well if you were the giant, and you were trying to get the most of this running gag, and (assuming you would some-day reveal the truth) wanted to kick it up a notch? Maybe you'd even go out of your way to trick the readers again. I think that this gives us an opportunity to think outside the box, and maybe not fall for the trick.
I think V and I are a gay couple O_O.
I'm guessing... male

Wait... what? You linked to a comic about how "The real option isn't even on the table!" right after Xykon in the most recent comic says, "I'm pretty sure you're It." (if you know what I mean)

And your response is, "He must gay and male!"?

Seriously? Not, Hermaphroditic Androgynite? Or None of the Above?

You have an interesting set of evidence that doesn't even remotely seem related to your conclusion.

[Bucky]

I've seen all kinds of nonstandard pronouns used to refer to Vaarsuvius. Stuff like "Hir" "Vim/Vis" and "Shim". These stopgap pronouns are awkward, confusing and ugly.

We should be using Spivak pronouns to describe em instead. They fit better into normal English, are easier to parse, and look more natural than the hybrid pronouns we've been using. For example:

"Vaarsuvius read hir note aloud to hirself"
vs.
"Vaarsuvius read eir note aloud to emself"

[Dork Lord]

Meh, I just say him/her. Sounds better than hir or shim imho.

[Trebuchet]

I always enjoy trying to write without pronouns for V, with an emphasis on making it sound natural. It doesn't always work though.

[HamsterOfTheGod]

I've seen all kinds of nonstandard pronouns used to refer to Vaarsuvius. Stuff like "Hir" "Vim/Vis" and "Shim". These stopgap pronouns are awkward, confusing and ugly.

We should be using Spivak pronouns to describe em instead. They fit better into normal English, are easier to parse, and look more natural than the hybrid pronouns we've been using. For example:

"Vaarsuvius read hir note aloud to hirself"
vs.
"Vaarsuvius read eir note aloud to emself"

Spivak is just replacing one tyranny with another. V is freedom. V is the transcendence of duality. V is self-expression. And above all V is one, damn funny running gag which would be killed by political correctness.

[NerfTW]

I alternate pronouns every other sentence, as long as it doesn't make the subject ambiguous.

When referring to V and someone else, I use the opposite pronoun. So for Xykon and V, I use feminine. For V and Haley, I use masculine.

[Mad Mask]

I think we should use it for Vaarsuvius' pronoun. It is already grammatically supported. Besides, elves are in the Monster Manual, meaning they can be addressed as "thing" or "creature".

[Tova]

I think of V as male, so I use masculine pronouns. If I'd thought of V as female, I'd use feminine pronouns.

If it's good enough for the OOTS cast, it's good enough for me. And I figure that if V actually cared about how he is referred to, then he would clarify the matter.

And yeah, stuff like "hir" and so forth just looks kind of silly to me, and draws too much attention to itself.

[PId6]

Meh, I always thought she was a she. Does it really matter what pronoun you use as long as anyone can know who you're talking about?

[Bastian]

Spivak is just replacing one tyranny with another. V is freedom. V is the transcendence of duality. V is self-expression. And above all V is one, damn funny running gag which would be killed by political correctness.

QFT

I was almost going to embrace that 'linguistic pretension' with 'political overtones' for the sake of political correctness... then I read your post. I'll go for trascendence of duality. Every day.

[Thajocoth]

The point of pronouns is usually to use shorter words when the person you're communicating to already knows who or what you're referring to. V is shorter than any pronoun, so I use V in place of pronouns for V. Or, rather, I do not use pronouns in place of V when referring to V.

[Ted The Bug]

Ever seen the Beast with a Billion Backs?
SCHLIM AND SCHLER!

[MickJay]

I'm quite happy with using "he" in its function as pronoun for undefined gender; I find it less confusing (regardless of situation) than any of the dozen of monstrosities spawned by poorly thought-out PC.

While I'm pleasantly surprised that this isn't another of the "I know V's gender" threads. In any case 99% of those discuss V's sex, not gender...

[[TS] Shadow]

If this comic were in French, we'd be using the masculine pronouns (un and le) to describe him. This is because in French (and potentially other languages, I'm not sure) the male pronoun is used when in a gender conflict. (example: in a room full of males and females, you refer to the group as if it were all males, only using the female pronoun if it were all females.) That's why I think we should just use he: it's technically correct since we're technically not sure. However, everyone has their different interpretations, so I'm not going to hold it against anyone if they use she/hir/xir. You'll just get double torture once I control the earth.

[Ted The Bug]

If this comic were in French, Hinjo would have surrendered much earlier.
:D I kid, but same thing w/ Spanish when it comes to gender.

[Llama231]

I use "V".
Pronounced "vee".
Like "hee" or "shee".

[[TS] Shadow]

If this comic were in French, Hinjo would have surrendered much earlier.
:D I kid, but same thing w/ Spanish when it comes to gender.

Hinjo: I heard that, Curtis...I mean Ted the Bug.(Ten cookies to whoever gets that reference)

Seriously, though, can we get a title change on this thread? This is just begging to get kicked off, and seeing as we're not actually discussing V's gender it doesn't need to be.

[HamsterOfTheGod]

Now humans see Orc is better. Orc grammar smash other languages. Orc not need stinking pronoun.

Plus Orc not need gender difference. Orc man smash! Orc woman smash! Never know how Orc date gonna turn out.

[Starscream]

Seriously, though, can we get a title change on this thread? This is just begging to get kicked off, and seeing as we're not actually discussing V's gender it doesn't need to be.

"Pronoun trouble" - Daffy Duck

I generally type s/he.

The Giant needs to be commended for how well he has handled this whole gender issue. As far as I can tell, the two camps are split almost evenly. There really does seem to be no "leaning" either way.

Here's a related question; what do you think V's voice sounds like?

I imagine that s/he sounds a little bit like Tara Strong voicing Raven from Teen Titans. Too deep to be definitely female, too high to be definitely male, slightly monotonous and very intelligent sounding. And Strong is just about the one voice actor I know who voices almost as many male characters as female.

Edit:
Y'know, like this! Even has a "possessed by evil" moment that matches how Darth V should sound.