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Thread: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
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2006-06-12, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What OOTS characters Think V Is
Originally Posted by Wrecan
Just wanted to point out you list Nale and Sabine backwards from #252. Nale refers to V as "That elf chick" and Sabine calls V "the elf dude". And I don't really see where Elan assumes V is male, he doesn't make comment about s/he being either...except for being half-camel, he just noticed V wasn't going into the restroom.
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2006-06-12, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
I think V is a female because it makes the group more rounded and because #123 wouldn't have been nearly as funny/hot if V were a guy.
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2006-06-12, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
I'm no literary expert, but I find it very telling that I think V's female while my husband is sure V's male. Which basically indicates that we see ourselves in Varsuvius.
Since V is fictional, we are free to use our own interpretations. Which means that V's gender really *doesn't* matter, since we'll all just mentally edit the preposition to match our opinion when we're reading it.
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2006-06-12, 09:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
I guess I can kinda, sorta, see people debating this but, it seems pretty straight forward.
I've always thought V was a female. I mean I didnt even question it. I would guess its due to the hair being anything but short-short and wearing a metal hair circlet/tiera/band thing. She gets grouped with haley in all things. The fact that Haley obviously shares more with her would imply a gender comradery in my mind.
When someone calls she a he, its obviously a tug at the elf's gender neutrality but its always done as a joke.
I really haven't seen anything that makes wonder.
Edit: I would only add that it is only unclear to some characters beklar had mentioned wondering in comic 28 as well.
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2006-06-13, 03:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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I prefer to think V as being a female... No reason.
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2006-06-13, 04:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
Is it me or did V look suspiciously man-ish in the last comic? I dunno if it was a change in the artwork but V's torso looks more stretched/thinner, and as such makes it seem even less likely that there's any woman parts beneath that robe...
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2006-06-13, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
Well look at it this way. If Vaarsuvius were a man, he would be a feminine man. If Vaarsuvius were a woman, she would be a masculine woman. Given that elves are portrayed as generally being pretty feminine, it would be more likely that Vaarsuvius is male. Has anyone ever heard of an overly-masculine elvish woman? Now if Vaarsuvius were a dwarf on the other hand...
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2006-06-13, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think Vaarsuvius is really an oversized dwarf who shaves his/her beard every day. In which case, s/he COULD be a woman!
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2006-06-13, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
Sure, "could" be, but V could also be the sensitive male friend that Haley finds non-threatening. We also know that Haley tends to have trouble getting along with other females.
So, really, I think we should leave the debate to the dust because no matter how much we debate, The Giant will find a way to prove us wrong. ;) Thanks!~Nixie
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2006-06-13, 11:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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I always saw V as female. Not sure why, just seemed that way to me.
None of us have tampered with the fundemental natural order when bored. That would be wrong.
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2006-06-14, 04:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I always saw V as female, but it occours to me there is something that might conclusively prove otherwise. In comic 9 Roy reffers to V as V-man, I realize that people will point out that this nonly reveals Roy's perception. I am however informed that Rick has said that he had a clear gender identity for V at first, and only added the obscurity after the fan-debate started. Thus if the debate hadn't yet started by comic 9, then Roy's perception of the matter must have been the actual truth of the matter. So the 1 million dollar question is whether the debate had in fact started by comic 9 or not. Are there any veterans of the board who can remember if this is the case?
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2006-06-14, 05:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by kerberos
Wait, I know I saw Rich say that he purposely leaves the gender ambiguous, but where did he say that he hadn't had that in mind originally?"So...the orphan attacked you?
"Aye"
"And so you cut him down with your axe in self defense."
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"I don't believe you."
"Damn...would ye believe that th' orphan was an alien?"
"No"
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2006-06-14, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
I always saw V as female, but it occours to me there is something that might conclusively prove otherwise. In comic 9 Roy reffers to V as V-man, I realize that people will point out that this nonly reveals Roy's perception. I am however informed that Rick has said that he had a clear gender identity for V at first, and only added the obscurity after the fan-debate started. Thus if the debate hadn't yet started by comic 9, then Roy's perception of the matter must have been the actual truth of the matter. So the 1 million dollar question is whether the debate had in fact started by comic 9 or not. Are there any veterans of the board who can remember if this is the case?
b) Rich has stated somewhere on this board that yes, V had a gender at the start but the debate (and therefore the ambiguity) only started when the first mention of obscurity was made. As Rich said that was somewhere around comic #2 or #3.
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2006-06-14, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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My final argument:
They talk about shoes.
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2006-06-14, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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I, personally, think that V is male. I've just thought that way since day one. I noticed this the other day though and checked back on a few comic strips. I've noticed that the female OOTS characters have a curve on their chests to represent their breasts. So okay, I think to myself, maybe the ones in cloaks won't because its a big ol' cloak. So I look back at a few and found some that had cloaks/robes, etc. and there WAS a curve. I even saw the strip with the female dwarf and she had a curve on her chest in the armor. I'm thinking even more now that V is male. LOL Of course there are very flat chested females, however, I've never seen them in OOTS. LOL Anyway, I know its all in each person's perception anyway. Just wanted to share my thoughts on this.
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2006-06-14, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
And V is also drawn exactly like ZZ'dtri, who is male.
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2006-06-14, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
Originally Posted by Ink
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2006-06-14, 09:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I would agree, except that just because someone is female doen't mean they've got D-cups. V could just be flat.
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2006-06-15, 02:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What OOTS characters Think V Is
Originally Posted by Tulnavara
So Elan does in fact perceive Vaarsuvius as a male.
Here's an interesting note: Has anyone who's actually in the Order ever questioned V's gender, other than Belkar? As far as I can remember, he's the only one to have ever actually stated that they saw V as ambiguously-gendered. All of the others have either indicated that they perceived him as one thing, or not said anything about it at all. In fact, now that I think about it, there's only one other character in the whole series that I can recall saying they were unsure about V's gender, and that's the horse parking ticket person. Am I right about that? I think it may be significant--I'll post more about it after I've thought some more.HUMANS....... ARE....... SUPERIORRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2006-06-15, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Heads_or_Tails
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2006-06-15, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by InkHiding the little one away so he doesn't get hurt...
Belkar is Chaotic Evil because the Giant says so. Deal with it.
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2006-06-15, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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very true-hmm. could it be a foolish mortal has dicovered a carefully hidden secret?
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2006-06-16, 02:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think V is gay. Thats why Haley lets him stay in the same room as her. It all makes sence. He's married to a guy and and isn't sure of how the others will react to him being gay. He's told Haley and she has sworn to keep it a secret. ^^ So yeah. V is a guy. That is gay. IT ALL MAKES SENCE!!!
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2006-06-16, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think V's female, because in comic #3, he/she/it (depending on your point of few) apparently knows fashion. Plus, Zz'Dtri and the Half-Elf are male.
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2006-06-16, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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You make a good point (though I'm biased, cuz I see V as female). But, not to be a devil's advocate, not all girls have a fashion sense (I know a few at my school....)
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2006-06-16, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Ramza
Anyway, here's something to ask yourself:
Think of people you know who speak and act like Vaarsuvius. Are these people mostly males, or females? Those kind of erudite know-it-all speeches and explanations of everything are way more typical of men than women.HUMANS....... ARE....... SUPERIORRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But she was naked! And all... articulate!!
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2006-06-16, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I stand by my point of V being gay. :P I think that makes it so much easier
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2006-06-17, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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What if V doesn't have a gender?! ???
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2006-06-17, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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i vote that its not going to be reveild
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2006-06-17, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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