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[Xihirli]

Phantom always does that though.

True. I don't have any other leads though.

[Elenna]

Thematthew seems like the better choice, given that he's not usually quiet and Phantom is.

[Thematthew]

@Murska I don't think you realize how saying something is a good defense for one person means you can ignore it with another one. Seems pretty scummy to me.

@Elenna I don't know where you get the idea that I'm not usually this quiet... because I am...

[Murska]

@Murska I don't think you realize how saying something is a good defense for one person means you can ignore it with another one. Seems pretty scummy to me.

@Elenna I don't know where you get the idea that I'm not usually this quiet... because I am...

What? I'm voting you because you're scummy, not because you're quiet.

[Eggel]

I don't think thematthew or Phantom are wolves. Using the quiet excuse on people who are in general quiet doesn't seem smart. Sure, it might be a reason, but it's definitely not a good reason.

Duck999, didn't you claim seer yesterday? What did you learn from your scry?

As for my vote, Libro because his vote for thematthew seems really illogical.

[norman250]

I'm not convinced thematthew or the phantom are wolves. When thephantom isn't RP'ing, he's almost always silent, and I feel like every game I've seen thematthew in (including my own) he gets lynched because town doesn't like his inactivity, and he turns out to be a villager. And while I agree with Murska that the post he pointed out does seem vaguely scummy, I don't think it's enough to really lynch him over. I would also like to throw Libro some more pressure, as I feel like they've been mostly fence-sitting for a good chunk of the game, which isn't how he played in the phantom's game.

[Grand Arbiter]

As for my vote, Libro because his vote for thematthew seems really illogical.

I'm not convinced thematthew or the phantom are wolves. When thephantom isn't RP'ing, he's almost always silent, and I feel like every game I've seen thematthew in (including my own) he gets lynched because town doesn't like his inactivity, and he turns out to be a villager. And while I agree with Murska that the post he pointed out does seem vaguely scummy, I don't think it's enough to really lynch him over. I would also like to throw Libro some more pressure, as I feel like they've been mostly fence-sitting for a good chunk of the game, which isn't how he played in the phantom's game.

I poked Themathew to see who would be willing to hop onto a wagon for him. It's the same reason I chose to poke Lex during the last day cycle. If someone was willing to jump on with little reason, then they merit a closer look. ThePhantom's vote was in self-defense, so there may or may not be much to get from it. Murska and Elenna, however, require a closer look.

As for being on the sidelines more than in ThePhantom's game... I am unfortunately not a mason, so I have relatively little information to work with. If I had more to go on I could probably do more.

[norman250]

I agree Murska could use a closer look, but I'm honestly not sure how much of that is my genuine belief, or the subforum's meta that Murska is always untrustworthy and dangerous. Why Elenna, though?

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Seems to me like you could just be picking her to continue sitting on the fence, so you won't be on a town wagon if thematthew turns up user. You didn't really offer a reason why you'd vote for her. Also, you are technically voting for both her and thematthew currently.

[Grand Arbiter]

I chose Elenna since Murska had poked Thematthew the previous day.

...and now to go cross out my previous vote for Thematthew

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Fixed.

I feel like such a putz for having made that mistake twice this game.

[norman250]

I chose Elenna since Murska had poked Thematthew the previous day.

I don't quite understand how this is a good reason to vote for Elenna?

[Grand Arbiter]

Murska repeating their vote likely means that they have some logic behind why they are still voting for that person.

Elenna, on the other hand, voted for Thematthew and broke the tie which was already against Thematthew due to this games rule about ties. With or without her vote, he would have been lynched had the day ended then.


It would be nice if Murska would share their reasoning as to why Thematthew seems scummy, though.

[norman250]

This post is very scummy, avoiding a townie bandwagon and the whole flip-flopping and justifying a poor vote.

Thematthew.

SaysWho: "Ah, ah, ah, sorry. I was away in a con, not dead yet. But seriously people, stop running around like Fleeing Coward. Find those who act suspiciously, and loudly accuse them of wrongdoing."

He did.Extra characters for the character limit.

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@Libro Not trying to go silent, just can't get a good feel on any of the options.

I suppose I can get behind Xihirli, but I really don't know.

Spoiler: OOC

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Also, ties aren't bad in this one, they just lynch whoever got there first. It's just games where a tie results in a no or random lynch that they are (or can be) bad for town.

Sorry, I thought I had grabbed this too. This was the quote Murska was referring to.

[Grand Arbiter]

What I get for not looking through the thread before posting...

I'm going to go hide in the box of shame now.

[Duck999]

Duck999, didn't you claim seer yesterday? What did you learn from your scry?

I learned someone was town. I will not,, however, real town scries because there is an Alpha and I don't want more confirmed town members for the wolves to target.

[Xihirli]

I like the Libro wagon better than the Elenna wagon, and it's true that we shouldn't murder people for being quiet often.

[Murska]

Matthew and especially Phantom are being defended, but by which side?

[norman250]

Thinking they aren't good wagons isn't necessarily the same thing as defending them.

[Eggel]

I don't want more confirmed town members for the wolves to target.

Wait. It doesn't matter if they're confirmed town, the wolves might still target them. Confirming town doesn't help or hinder wolves, but it does help town.

[norman250]

Not necessarily, Eggel. If the wolves know which town are potentially networked, it may hurt the development of said network. I think it's fine that Duck keeps it secret for now, unless we're in danger of lynching them. From which I gather that neither thematthew nor thephantom have been scried as town by Duck yet.

Edited for grammar.

[Murska]

Thinking they aren't good wagons isn't necessarily the same thing as defending them.

Maybe not, but they were pushed, debated and most tellingly dropped with very little fanfare in exchange for candidates that have no better or even equal-strength reasoning for them.

Duck, if you got a villager, you should reveal them so as to force the wolves to either kill a villager and not hunt for Masons or leave a confirmed villager alive. If you got something else, you should remain quiet.

[norman250]

Now THAT reasoning I don't understand. He got a wolf last time, mentioned so, and caught us a wolf. If he got a wolf again, why wouldn't we try lynching them?

[Murska]

Well obviously if he got a wolf we should lynch it. But he already said that isn't the case.

[norman250]

Oh, did you mean the ROLE villager/user? I assumed we were dealing with allegiance scries.

[Murska]

What are the rules for private communication in this game?

[norman250]

And while you're confirming that, Black Socks, could you confirm if Seer/Fool get specific role scries or just alignment scries?

[Black Socks]

And while you're confirming that, Black Socks, could you confirm if Seer/Fool get specific role scries or just alignment scries?

Alignment.

What are the rules for private communication in this game?

PMs are ok, but CC me. If you want to set up a quicktopic, please give me the link.

[norman250]

So by default, if he didn't scry troll, he got user, which doesn't clear anyone due to the existence of the alpha role.

[Lex-Kat]

Sorry. I've been really sick the past couple weeks and just have mostly avoided the Playground. If you peak at my activity, you'll see that until this past Saturday, I wasn't even on site for a week and a half before then.

For now, I'll go with TheMatthew over ThePhantom.

And thanks for not lynching me. Duck999, you are a great seer.

[Black Socks]

Day 4 Ends

Hysteria and suspicions are running high, resulting in the lynch of an innocent user.
.... and on a completely unrelated note, t-shirts featuring Cocky Rival, Cloudcuckoolander and Catgirl are now available in the shop!
Summary: Thematthew was lynched. He was a User.

Night 4 Begins

[norman250]

Black Socks, night-posting okay?