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    If that's the case, one wonders why Nary sent two-toes, specifically. Though there was also the human who slashed the hounds' tendons.
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    Two-toes being the open aggressors makes it look like they're the ones attacking Crescian nobility, rather than Shartes. This will be publicly blamed on them taking advantage of the country's lax enforcement policies, and the race has good reason to be upset with Cresce (as Jab pointed out to Rilursa earlier). As for why, Jab explained he's only doing this to help General Bell get closer to the throne.

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    And now the two-toes are going to end up scapegoats for Cresce, and for Sharteshane if they feel like making a show of doing something about it.
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    "Please do not punch babies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leewei View Post
    "Please do not punch babies."
    Don't let them take advantage of you. They've been babies for longer than the moon's been round.


    Our moon has been round since within months of it's formation, that's four or so billion years. Either that fish person is mistaken, or they are lying, there haven't been humanoid babies for more than a couple of million years.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    The gods created the Senet beasts, like the water-women, exactly as they are. So those water-babies really have existed as such since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    The gods created the Senet beasts, like the water-women, exactly as they are. So those water-babies really have existed as such since then.
    One wonders why they gave them so many humanlike features like sexes, age groups, mouths, noses and the like if they're immortal, assexual beings who shouldn't need to eat or breathe. Doesn't make much sense from a design perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttering flame View Post
    One wonders why they gave them so many humanlike features like sexes, age groups, mouths, noses and the like if they're immortal, assexual beings who shouldn't need to eat or breathe. Doesn't make much sense from a design perspective.
    The general consensus is senet beasts are essentially various forms of concept sketches for life forms, and water women were a later model that the gods took as inspiration for making humans as we know them today. Mortality, and the inherent nature of change that brings, was the last idea (and implemented on humans).



    As an aside, water women totally do have a sex - female. Stormbringers are the male counterparts. They also need to breathe (gills and lungs, so they're amphibious) & eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by virgileso View Post
    As an aside, water women totally do have a sex - female. Stormbringers are the male counterparts. They also need to breathe (gills and lungs, so they're amphibious) & eat.
    Do they really need to breathe and it? Aren't they complete onto themselves? As for sex. It's not for our reasons. Maybe the purpose is to transport water from sea to land through stormclouds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttering flame View Post
    Do they really need to breathe and it? Aren't they complete onto themselves? As for sex. It's not for our reasons. Maybe the purpose is to transport water from sea to land through stormclouds?
    Word of God says they do. Some even eat humans, but mainly because spiderpaws had it coming. Sex with stormbringers is because it's fun. Neither race serve a role in the maintenance of the water cycle (evaporation and such still functions fine without them), which isn't to say they don't influence it, since they do generate storms.

    They're only complete onto themselves as far as the khert goes. The rules they go by are different than how the rest of reality functions, and those rules include the need for breathing and eating, the ability to use water as their blood (which is turned into First Water while inside them), and the ability to reattach/regrow limbs so long as their blood flows through their body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guttering flame View Post
    One wonders why they gave them so many humanlike features like sexes, age groups, mouths, noses and the like if they're immortal, assexual beings who shouldn't need to eat or breathe. Doesn't make much sense from a design perspective.
    They don't?

    Ogres don't have sexes (not 100% on this).
    Wandering roots don't.
    Typhoon whales don't.
    Spindleworms don't.
    First Fireflies don't.
    Storm/Water kin do.
    Efheby do.
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    Unsounded's world isn't our own. The time at which the moon became round in that universe cannot be extrapolated from the age of the Moon in the real world.

    Senet beasts are unaging, unchanging creatures. An old waterwoman was always old, a young one was always young. A toddler one suckling on the teat of her mother was always a toddler, and was never given birth by her mother. They've been created this way ex nihilo by the gods before mortals were created.

    You could think of them as prototypes. The gods imaged what different ages would look like, independently. And then they made a species that go through these different ages. A creature like the wandering root must have been one of the very earliest senet beast -- just rock and trees, given motion, as if it was merely a prototype for movement functions, before they decided what creature design would look like. You can probably assume that the closer a senet beast is to a human (or some other natural creature, be it a dog or a two-toe lizard), the more "recent" it is. The fact that waterwomen and airmen are very close to human in their design would make them among the most recent senet beasts to be created, probably younger than the efheby snake monsters.

    Given the programming-like nature of the khert, think of it like a simulated universe from a video game. Like, take Skyrim: it has children, adults, and elders, but it cheats. Time is immaterial to them. The Skyrim children are functionally just a different race from the adults, a race with a child body instead of an adult body. Likewise for the elders. Similarly, the age of these characters is unrelated to the age they are supposed to be. The game developers may have created a child before an adult, and the elder last, making the elder the youngest of the three. It's all fake and pretend.

    Suppose the developers keep building and eventually design a way for a character's body to grow old in real time. All the old NPCs with their unchanging bodies become obsolete. Then they figure out how NPCs could be generated dynamically through the whole birthing-growing-breeding-rearing-dying cycle, and you get a thriving "real" population that can slowly take over the universe while the old prototypes are slowly taken out by attrition -- they might be unaging, but they're not immortal.
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    I can't really blame Minnow for feeling seriously disturbed by humans taking an ogre's corpse and turning it into a puppet.
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    An interesting facet is that, in a literal sense, all of the senet beasts are the same age. Like the khert itself, time didn't exist during the age of senet beasts. Water women were created at the same "time" as a walking root. Once humanity was decided to be created, time was started on the continent, which allowed for mortals to function. That itself killed innumerable senet beasts, who weren't mentally equipped to handle linear causality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    I can't really blame Minnow for feeling seriously disturbed by humans taking an ogre's corpse and turning it into a puppet.
    Although to be fair, Duane can understand what that feels like better than anyone.

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    Ahh, so it's because he's dry that he's so thirsty.

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    Ahh, so it's because he's dry that he's so thirsty.
    He's essentially mummified. Although not sure why.

    I'm more interested why Minnow says she can hear her sisters screaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -D- View Post
    He's essentially mummified. Although not sure why.
    He's a several year old corpse, moisture tends to do terrible things to such. He undoubtedly has pymarics to keep his body dry, like he does for his tongue, eyes, and lungs. I can see how a water woman would interpret a touch that destroys any water in contact with him to be 'burning', at least for skin-to-skin contact.

    My heart breaks for Duane, when even creatures as old as time look upon him and declare him ugly.
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    I just realized that Duane has had his hands on backwards during this whole encounter

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    So there's water-women trapped inside the shrine? I can't remember if it's been mentioned before.
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    Well I don't think that is something the shrine people would bring up on first meetings.

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    Update

    Okay that was new. She knows Sette, or claims, or seems to say at least. Is Sette some Senette beast to? One they used to try the concept of birth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welf View Post
    Update

    Okay that was new. She knows Sette, or claims, or seems to say at least. Is Sette some Senette beast to? One they used to try the concept of birth?
    We know some Senet beasts have strange lifecycles, like the silkworms which eternally cocoon and de-cocoon themselves to allow for the harvesting of First Silk. It could be that Sette's some kind of beast that reincarnates itself in some way. Being a regular birth is out of the cards since she has no bellybutton - under normal circumstances she couldn't have been grown in a womb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nettlekid View Post
    We know some Senet beasts have strange lifecycles, like the silkworms which eternally cocoon and de-cocoon themselves to allow for the harvesting of First Silk. It could be that Sette's some kind of beast that reincarnates itself in some way. Being a regular birth is out of the cards since she has no bellybutton - under normal circumstances she couldn't have been grown in a womb.
    Maybe she hatched from an egg

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    Pymary works on Sette as it would on a human, so if she is a senet beast, she's a very unusual one.

    Meanwhile... Duane's not very in tune with Sette's feelings if he thinks she's happy and carefree all the time. He means well but he's clearly got some work to do on this front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    Pymary works on Sette as it would on a human, so if she is a senet beast, she's a very unusual one.

    Meanwhile... Duane's not very in tune with Sette's feelings if he thinks she's happy and carefree all the time. He means well but he's clearly got some work to do on this front.
    Does Pymary not work on Senet beasts? I know it doesn't work on First Materials which I guess Senet beasts are made out of (if Uaid is any indication) but Duane was able to ignite the Wandering Root perfectly well using Pymary. Maybe it's that First Materials and therefore Senet beasts can't have their aspects interfered with using Pymary, but are otherwise subject to its effects? But it's true, Duane would have noticed that from trying to cast on Sette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    Pymary works on Sette as it would on a human, so if she is a senet beast, she's a very unusual one.

    Meanwhile... Duane's not very in tune with Sette's feelings if he thinks she's happy and carefree all the time. He means well but he's clearly got some work to do on this front.
    Sure. But keep in mind:
    A) Duane is selfish, and Sette isn't his child,
    B) Duane is kinda gullible, if Sette tells him he is fine, he won't investigate further

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nettlekid View Post
    Does Pymary not work on Senet beasts? I know it doesn't work on First Materials which I guess Senet beasts are made out of (if Uaid is any indication) but Duane was able to ignite the Wandering Root perfectly well using Pymary. Maybe it's that First Materials and therefore Senet beasts can't have their aspects interfered with using Pymary, but are otherwise subject to its effects? But it's true, Duane would have noticed that from trying to cast on Sette.
    I don't think Duane cast on the Wandering Root directly. He started a fire, and once it spread, it affected it normally. But he wouldn't be able to take or modify any of its Aspects. But he's cast directly on Sette before. It even comes up directly that when he casts on her, he uses Old Tainish for human.

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    Sure. But keep in mind:
    A) Duane is selfish, and Sette isn't his child,
    B) Duane is kinda gullible, if Sette tells him he is fine, he won't investigate further
    It's in keeping with his character, certainly. I was just making an observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nettlekid View Post
    Does Pymary not work on Senet beasts? I know it doesn't work on First Materials which I guess Senet beasts are made out of (if Uaid is any indication) but Duane was able to ignite the Wandering Root perfectly well using Pymary. Maybe it's that First Materials and therefore Senet beasts can't have their aspects interfered with using Pymary, but are otherwise subject to its effects? But it's true, Duane would have noticed that from trying to cast on Sette.
    I think First Materials cannot be directly affected by pymary. This magic uses aspects to directly influence materials, like adding heat or removing solidity. That can't be done to First Materials, but it can be influenced by its effects.
    I speculate that Sette is a model for the works of the khert. The senet beasts we saw so far are made of first material, later "models" like humans and animals are subject to the khert. That is a pretty massive change, and so far we saw for pretty much everything some kind of model; for basic movement, for mountains, for metamorphosis, for gender dimorphism, for sexuality. Sette is subject to khert, and Duane confirmed she scans as human a few chapter ago. But she doesn't age; Anadyne says she didn't age in 3 years so she is not subject to decay like regular humans.
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    Ruck is tremendously creepy. I wonder if Sonorie ever considered Roger to be anything but a box of information Ruck can extract.
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