Fairy Tail Thread 4: Come Pray to the Apocalypse Dragon

[Kato]

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You know, I might be overthinking things but... what is Mavis trying to accomplish by making an illusion of zeref telling Irene to free her illusion? If she is wasting her time in fake!mavis isn't that good enough? Am I putting more thought into this than Hiro did? Maybe... I guess Mavis using an illusion to escape after Invel is down is fine but it seems like it was far too easy.

While I didn't remember and only now noticed (again?), Levy actually had Iron on her shirt for a while but yes, it is super adorable. I can not get over how much I like the two. Butif the "you called us buddies" bit is a little strange, considering Gajeel has been a good guy for years now... (sidenote: did Levy, you know, "grow"?)

Zera seemed... somehow pointless. But we get a kind of cute goodbye again that almost has no hint of loli yuri feelings with naked kids floating in... Mavis' mind?

Honestly, in this case I didn't mind Levy sitting on Gajeel in a "go draw porn!" kind of way. What I do mind is the obvious, and I can't describe it else, tit bondage shot of Lucy. I know time witch is a pervert but... STILL! That's not how you tie up people.

Also, worse than magic cancer? Magic AIDS...? Demon cells erupting from within END?

sidenote: I'm missing my weekly input on OP from you, Zodi

[Zaydos]

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It was sleight of hand. Mavis made the Zeref illusion to distract Irene. There's a few panels we can't see Mavis in after that. Then when Irene looks back there's illusion Mavis. The implication is she couldn't just replace herself with an illusion (remember she can't turn invisible or teleport), but had to get Irene distracted so she could run off.

[LaZodiac]

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While I didn't remember and only now noticed (again?), Levy actually had Iron on her shirt for a while but yes, it is super adorable. I can not get over how much I like the two. Butif the "you called us buddies" bit is a little strange, considering Gajeel has been a good guy for years now... (sidenote: did Levy, you know, "grow"?)

Zera seemed... somehow pointless. But we get a kind of cute goodbye again that almost has no hint of loli yuri feelings with naked kids floating in... Mavis' mind?

Honestly, in this case I didn't mind Levy sitting on Gajeel in a "go draw porn!" kind of way. What I do mind is the obvious, and I can't describe it else, tit bondage shot of Lucy. I know time witch is a pervert but... STILL! That's not how you tie up people.

Also, worse than magic cancer? Magic AIDS...? Demon cells erupting from within END?

sidenote: I'm missing my weekly input on OP from you, Zodi

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I think it's just her arms pressing her chest together that makes it look like they've grown, honestly. As for Gajeel being a good guy...he has, just not to them really? Like, he's basically had no interaction with them (and Levy hasn't either) since he became a good guy.

Zera being involved was REALLY just Hiro going "READ MY SPIN OFFS I DREW THREE MANGA AT ONCE FOR LIKE A MONTH DO IT!" and no one should bite.

I only brought it up because the pose is SUCH a cheesecake shot and THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING at the time to, it's just out of nowhere. Though yeah Randi s ****ed up with how she ties up people. It's so dumb.

Could of swore I put in my two cents on One Piece. Hmm...I'll get on that. In the meanwhile if you want more Zodi content, I've got game threaaaads.

[Kato]

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It was sleight of hand. Mavis made the Zeref illusion to distract Irene. There's a few panels we can't see Mavis in after that. Then when Irene looks back there's illusion Mavis. The implication is she couldn't just replace herself with an illusion (remember she can't turn invisible or teleport), but had to get Irene distracted so she could run off.

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Sorry but I feel this makes even less sense (?) That exchange took about ten seconds. If she got in that time to where she is outside she CAN teleport. At least my interpretation is she somehow managed to illusion her way out a while ago (?)

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I think it's just her arms pressing her chest together that makes it look like they've grown, honestly. As for Gajeel being a good guy...he has, just not to them really? Like, he's basically had no interaction with them (and Levy hasn't either) since he became a good guy.

Zera being involved was REALLY just Hiro going "READ MY SPIN OFFS I DREW THREE MANGA AT ONCE FOR LIKE A MONTH DO IT!" and no one should bite.

I only brought it up because the pose is SUCH a cheesecake shot and THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING at the time to, it's just out of nowhere. Though yeah Randi s ****ed up with how she ties up people. It's so dumb.

Could of swore I put in my two cents on One Piece. Hmm...I'll get on that. In the meanwhile if you want more Zodi content, I've got game threaaaads.

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Well, we hardly ever see the two anyway let alone someone else talking to them... but I felt Gajeel being nice-ish to people in general was kind of implied. Maybe it's about how he talks to people...

Hehe, possible. But then I'll admit doing three manga for I think longer than a month is kind of impressive.

Well, I just mentioned it out of curiosity. It's not like I'm addicted to your posts or anything (But maybe I'll check those out)

[lord_khaine]

Honestly, in this case I didn't mind Levy sitting on Gajeel in a "go draw porn!" kind of way. What I do mind is the obvious, and I can't describe it else, tit bondage shot of Lucy. I know time witch is a pervert but... STILL! That's not how you tie up people.

Actually.. thats exactly how you tie people up if your a pervert.. Its just a bad way to tie people to a chair though

Also, worse than magic cancer? Magic AIDS...? Demon cells erupting from within END?

Most likely just the result of observations made by people who dont know they are looking at END.

Zera being involved was REALLY just Hiro going "READ MY SPIN OFFS I DREW THREE MANGA AT ONCE FOR LIKE A MONTH DO IT!" and no one should bite.

In Hiro's defence one of those 3 manga's were actually really good. People who liked the original FT should certainly bite.

[norival1992]

We already have 7 Dragon Slayers, so I don't think so. We'll probably see God and Devil Slayers though. Or Angel Slayers, which would be badass.

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You know, I might be overthinking things but... what is Mavis trying to accomplish by making an illusion of zeref telling Irene to free her illusion? If she is wasting her time in fake!mavis isn't that good enough? Am I putting more thought into this than Hiro did? Maybe... I guess Mavis using an illusion to escape after Invel is down is fine but it seems like it was far too easy.

Zera seemed... somehow pointless. But we get a kind of cute goodbye again that almost has no hint of loli yuri feelings with naked kids floating in... Mavis' mind?

Also, worse than magic cancer? Magic AIDS...? Demon cells erupting from within END?

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It's possible she needed Zeref!Illusion to distract Irene, so she can plant Mavis!Illusion.

Zera is basically Mavis magic masturbation. She never was real Zera, who was a bitch. The moment Mavis starts thinking rationally, she fades.

Natsu has Ultra Turbo Magic Demon cancer. Also, gonorrhea. Regular kind.

Can we change title to Where the **** is Apocalypse Dragon?

[lord_khaine]

I see a disturbing increase in requests for Acnologia. If it picks up he might turn into the new main character of the serie

And yeah we newer voted for the thread title, so if a suggestion gets support we can change the title

[jindra34]

I see a disturbing increase in requests for Acnologia. If it picks up he might turn into the new main character of the serie

And yeah we newer voted for the thread title, so if a suggestion gets support we can change the title

Honestly I remember the time when I argued the main cast surviving the nuking of Tenrou Island by him. If I knew what was coming I never would have suggested it was a decent if predictable move.

[khadgar567]

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whats we know about natsu and his magic cancer if last chapter is believable we might have take over end on natsu's magic list why here is the reasons

1. zeref's last and successful experiment on life magic
2. mirajane teached him and happy transformation magic( strauss family speciality( and she shows she can transform zeref demons
3. he is perfect spot to release unknown potential

so if natsu suddenly turn demon form and f some one I am not gonna get shocked

[Kato]

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mirajane teached him and happy transformation magic( strauss family speciality( and she shows she can transform zeref demons

Huh? When?



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Kind of the same argument as Zaydos made. At least to me it seems that was way too little time for her to tun to where she is in the next shot. And Zeref was standing there, too. If she just escaped when she made up that Zeref illusion, that should have taken far longer. At least that's how my time guessing on the scene works. Of course I could be wrong but Mavis escaping earlier to me seems to make more sense.

[LaZodiac]

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Kind of the same argument as Zaydos made. At least to me it seems that was way too little time for her to tun to where she is in the next shot. And Zeref was standing there, too. If she just escaped when she made up that Zeref illusion, that should have taken far longer. At least that's how my time guessing on the scene works. Of course I could be wrong but Mavis escaping earlier to me seems to make more sense.

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I actually went back to check on this. There are no pictures of that scene beyond close ups of faces where Mavis could of slipped out. The Mavis in these scenes is also clearly an illusion, since she's not reacting AT ALL to anything. Also, considering how big the rock bits of the guild are. It's too much for her to climb down so quickly. She's been going at it for awhile.

[lord_khaine]

Kind of the same argument as Zaydos made. At least to me it seems that was way too little time for her to tun to where she is in the next shot. And Zeref was standing there, too. If she just escaped when she made up that Zeref illusion, that should have taken far longer. At least that's how my time guessing on the scene works. Of course I could be wrong but Mavis escaping earlier to me seems to make more sense.

Honestly though, Mavis more or less had to slip away during the Zeref illusion, if she did not make it as a distraction to her captor, then it did not really serve any reason except draw attention to her escape.
I just think the pacing of the pages has been a little bad, and the scene with Maevis climbing the wall is meant to take place a bit later. That or Hiro just did not think to much about how fast a physically 10 year old girl can run.

[Kato]

Honestly though, Mavis more or less had to slip away during the Zeref illusion, if she did not make it as a distraction to her captor, then it did not really serve any reason except draw attention to her escape.
I just think the pacing of the pages has been a little bad, and the scene with Maevis climbing the wall is meant to take place a bit later. That or Hiro just did not think to much about how fast a physically 10 year old girl can run.

Well, we all know Hiro...
I guess the strongest argument for Mavis slipping away during the scene is that it makes no sense otherwise.
The best argument for Mavis being gone is the scene taking very little time (apparently) and we see no hint of her slipping away (which is not that convincing). Also, Irene comments on how long it takes to extract her magic which could mean she's been trying to extract it from the illusion for a while (though, it could also mean Mavis is just that powerful)

[khadgar567]

Huh? When?



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Kind of the same argument as Zaydos made. At least to me it seems that was way too little time for her to tun to where she is in the next shot. And Zeref was standing there, too. If she just escaped when she made up that Zeref illusion, that should have taken far longer. At least that's how my time guessing on the scene works. Of course I could be wrong but Mavis escaping earlier to me seems to make more sense.

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I dont know perfecly so not gonna say any thing solid but if you check the wiki article for info
(says he learned in omake )
for mirajane turning demon form it's in current chapter in beginning of war she assumed Satan Soul: Mirajane Seilah she says she got the form from tartaros demons

so normal mage can hyberdize with zeref demon then why not natsu can transform demon self( and its nice deus ex machina to balance the scales
plus he say go read my side manga in chapter 502 so he may pull something like go read the omake

[LaZodiac]

Well, we all know Hiro...
I guess the strongest argument for Mavis slipping away during the scene is that it makes no sense otherwise.
The best argument for Mavis being gone is the scene taking very little time (apparently) and we see no hint of her slipping away (which is not that convincing). Also, Irene comments on how long it takes to extract her magic which could mean she's been trying to extract it from the illusion for a while (though, it could also mean Mavis is just that powerful)

Honestly it feels like Mavis snuck out a long time ago, probably when Irene was powering Neinhart up, and Irene just didn't notice because the illusions are that good. The Zeref illusion would be to buy more time. Irene just has to sit on her ass waiting for Zeref to come back with Mavis, unable to leave cause he told her to stay.

[khadgar567]

Honestly it feels like Mavis snuck out a long time ago, probably when Irene was powering Neinhart up, and Irene just didn't notice because the illusions are that good. The Zeref illusion would be to buy more time. Irene just has to sit on her ass waiting for Zeref to come back with Mavis, unable to leave cause he told her to stay.

I think we have our first friend fire accident in our hands

[lord_khaine]

Honestly it feels like Mavis snuck out a long time ago, probably when Irene was powering Neinhart up, and Irene just didn't notice because the illusions are that good. The Zeref illusion would be to buy more time. Irene just has to sit on her ass waiting for Zeref to come back with Mavis, unable to leave cause he told her to stay.

That just doesnt make as much sense, if Mavis's illusions were that good that the greatest female mage seen so far could not spot she were sucking magic from a fake, then how on earth did they ever catch her? Thats Aizen level illusion screwing.

And if Irene were bad enough she could not spot it was an illusion she were working magic on, then the Zeref illusion were completely unneedet. it would not buy more time for her, since it to start with only asked for 3 minuttes. And as it turned out, then it were a huge risk for the entire thing getting spotted.

[Moak]

My idea is that the Zeref illusion was necessary to distract Irene and allow Mavis to snuck away. It doesn't fill the time and the space she gained in that short exchange but I think it was a trick to make her remove eyes from her and allow the "slip away-put the illusion in place and RUN".

[LaZodiac]

That just doesnt make as much sense, if Mavis's illusions were that good that the greatest female mage seen so far could not spot she were sucking magic from a fake, then how on earth did they ever catch her? Thats Aizen level illusion screwing.

And if Irene were bad enough she could not spot it was an illusion she were working magic on, then the Zeref illusion were completely unneedet. it would not buy more time for her, since it to start with only asked for 3 minuttes. And as it turned out, then it were a huge risk for the entire thing getting spotted.

I'm honestly just going to choke it up to bad writing, because either way this can go is pretty bad.

[Kato]

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I dont know perfecly so not gonna say any thing solid but if you check the wiki article for info
(says he learned in omake )
for mirajane turning demon form it's in current chapter in beginning of war she assumed Satan Soul: Mirajane Seilah she says she got the form from tartaros demons

so normal mage can hyberdize with zeref demon then why not natsu can transform demon self( and its nice deus ex machina to balance the scales
plus he say go read my side manga in chapter 502 so he may pull something like go read the omake

Yeah, but a) what happens in omake mangas is usually only barely canon (FT Zero is not "really" omake, I'd say) and Soul transformation is far different from normal transformation magic. Magic crossing over between people is rare enough and Natsu has never shown interest in anything but fire magic...

And if Irene were bad enough she could not spot it was an illusion she were working magic on, then the Zeref illusion were completely unneedet. it would not buy more time for her, since it to start with only asked for 3 minuttes. And as it turned out, then it were a huge risk for the entire thing getting spotted.

Which was just why I complained about it But I don't think we'll get a proper explanation on this, like, ever... So no point arguing?

[Zaydos]

More importantly you don't need the omake to explain Natsu transforming into his demon side, it's been established he is END, if END has a super-powered demon form Natsu can transform into it, assuming he has learned to master that side of himself. The training with Mirajane in an omake is completely irrelevant to it and would fail to explain it as well as a sentence saying 'yeah remember how I went training to master my END powers I TRAINED TO MASTER MY END POWERS WHEN I DID THAT.'

[Kato]

More importantly you don't need the omake to explain Natsu transforming into his demon side, it's been established he is END, if END has a super-powered demon form Natsu can transform into it, assuming he has learned to master that side of himself. The training with Mirajane in an omake is completely irrelevant to it and would fail to explain it as well as a sentence saying 'yeah remember how I went training to master my END powers I TRAINED TO MASTER MY END POWERS WHEN I DID THAT.'

Yeah but neither does Natsu KNOW he is END, nor do we know whether END has a super powered demon side. Of course he might have just "trained something he sense inside himself" but... where would that suddenly come from?

[HandofShadows]

But what if his END demon form/power is fire based?

[khadgar567]

Yeah, but a) what happens in omake mangas is usually only barely canon (FT Zero is not "really" omake, I'd say) and Soul transformation is far different from normal transformation magic. Magic crossing over between people is rare enough and Natsu has never shown interest in anything but fire magic...

its more of a background point where chapter 52X where he berserks and transforms to E.N.D form nice simple shout out to previous content were the new ability comes from while keeping mystery of natsu and END situation until zeref of one of the flunkies explain it to him

More importantly you don't need the omake to explain Natsu transforming into his demon side, it's been established he is END, if END has a super-powered demon form Natsu can transform into it, assuming he has learned to master that side of himself. The training with Mirajane in an omake is completely irrelevant to it and would fail to explain it as well as a sentence saying 'yeah remember how I went training to master my END powers I TRAINED TO MASTER MY END POWERS WHEN I DID THAT.'

hold you dreadsteed zaydos we know it but he and nearly all cast except gray and enemy side basicly has no f ing idea he can bust out wmd class form until hiro decides to fire that chekhov's gun completely

Yeah but neither does Natsu KNOW he is END, nor do we know whether END has a super powered demon side. Of course he might have just "trained something he sense inside himself" but... where would that suddenly come from?

second time skip where he travel alone with igneels voice( or his demon sides) in his head cuz he learns a way to use remaining power of igneel to boost himself causing his imitate nature to somehow ramp up his demon hybridization form

ıf am hiro I dayview the hybrid form and address it on next chapter since the ending of 520 is perfect place to torture lucy for few panels then natsu awakes to pissed that his girl in such shape that he bankais in to his demon form rips the guy a new arse then calmed by terrified lucy while edo grandinie tells brandish what is realy happening on natsu's body then natsu shows he can turn back to his human form with small flashback to omake where mirajane teaches them transformation magic than lisanna explains how she transform between her forms

[Kato]

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So, yeah, after a few more pages of torture porn - and I really can't find use another word here because EFF YOU HIRO, GO MAKE FAIRY TAIL DOUJIN WITH AS MUCH OF IT AS YOU LIKE BUT LEAVE THE MAIN STORY ALONE WITH THAT WEIRD ****. (Bad enough we start out with that caption on the cover)
I have totally no issue with fanservice, I like it, but torture bondage porn is not something you put in effing Weekly Shonen. If I opened up One Piece and suddenly Oda served me Mingo using his strings for... whatever... I'd be pissed off as well.

Anyway, Lucy goes topless for a bit while angry Natsu saves her and her eyes and then he meets up with Gray and... I guess is crazy with power or something. No, really, we have like no reason for them to fight right now.

Hardly anything to say that wasn't expected.

[khadgar567]

its more of a background point where chapter 52X where he berserks and transforms to E.N.D form nice simple shout out to previous content were the new ability comes from while keeping mystery of natsu and END situation until zeref of one of the flunkies explain it to him



ıf am hiro I dayview the hybrid form and address it on next chapter since the ending of 520 is perfect place to torture lucy for few panels then natsu awakes to pissed that his girl in such shape that he bankais in to his demon form rips the guy a new arse then calmed by terrified lucy while edo grandinie tells brandish what is realy happening on natsu's body then natsu shows he can turn back to his human form with small flashback to omake where mirajane teaches them transformation magic than lisanna explains how she transform between her forms

ladies and gentleman I realy hate to say this but quote shows it this sob correctly guessed what happened in this chapter correctly

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small differences but exactly as I write in the quote we see the attempted torture, berserk, save and explanation only difference is we might have black flamed natsu instead of take over end form and only thing didn't shock me is gray has impeccable timing to become a casualty good thing eva and brandish have edo grandinie with them cuz gray gonna needed some medical attention on next chapter but still my money on lucy gonna manage to calm natsu while gray lying in his own blood

[LaZodiac]

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Man the Spriggan 12 sure are powerful aren't they. I'm so glad they all got revived and returned to full power to get beaten again.

I have nothing to say about this chapter other than the opening title page is the most pedo **** I've seen Hiro do with Wendy and I want it to stop.

Gray vs Natsu won't go anywhere, because it can't.

[khadgar567]

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Man the Spriggan 12 sure are powerful aren't they. I'm so glad they all got revived and returned to full power to get beaten again.

I have nothing to say about this chapter other than the opening title page is the most pedo **** I've seen Hiro do with Wendy and I want it to stop.

Gray vs Natsu won't go anywhere, because it can't.

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well lets have another guess on hiro's next trick well we now natsu and gray gonna fight a little bit gray pushes natsu to literal edge where natsu might gonna bust some physical transformation subconsciously fight continues little longer gray gets greatly injured by one of the natsu's attacks then lucy shields gray tries to reason with natsu and somehow made him calm down and get control of his transformed form they talk few panels where gray names the form as end and edo grandinie finally explains natsu somehow gains take over magic then natsu transform into his human form
here is my next

[lord_khaine]

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Well.. honestely i though this chapter was pretty good. The only thing that annoyed me were the cover page, that was kinda trashy.
But i did not see anything that made me think of torture porn, only Lucy getting a chance to be defiantly badass in the face of an overpowering villian.

And for once just a little tension in the serie. As we are left with the question about if Gray will fight Natsu or not.