Flash, Season 3: My name is Barry Allen and I'm the dumbest man alive

[Pronounceable]

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"Hey Skirt. Call me."

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Also, I'm giving this whole debacle an 8/10. It was great fun, better than most of the series' individual episodes. Still full of stupid though, all of their writers getting better at cranking stupid up to levels extreme enough to be acceptable.

...Anyone wanna bet if the Flarrow world will remember there was an alien invasion? Cos I don't.

[Hopeless]

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Wouldn't they want BOTH Barry AND Cisco?
One has the ability to totally fcuk up time lines the other can access parallel realities!
I would assume they didn't know who Barry was when they arrived because otherwise they could have captured him easily... maybe not hold him but still!

[random11]

Don't think I can call this crossover "good".
It was better than most individual episodes, but that's not saying much.

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- One episode was just the teaser, so I'm not counting it.
Second and third episodes had most heroes benched from being under two different types of mind control one after the other, leaving only the last for all the necessary steps of a team-up story starting from learning about the threat, the "twist" about the government, and ending with the final showdown. That's hardly enough time for a good story.

- The final showdown on the roof was cool, until flash and supergirl ran and placed all the devices around the world, making this showdown kind of pointless since it could have been finished with just the two of them.
Both story-wise and for the action, it would have been better as a crossover between either flash+supergirl or flash+legends.

- The motivation of the aliens. Do I need to say more?

- Stupid dramas created an resolved in a forced way.
Cisco being dumb? Let him break the timeline too.
Crisis of faith in team arrow? Jewish aliens.
Arrow rejecting supergirl for the stupidest reason ever? Resolved 10 minutes later

[ryuplaneswalker]

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The Government has Tranq darts that interfere with MAGIC?

[LaZodiac]

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The Government has Tranq darts that interfere with MAGIC?

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At this point they know how to deal with this ****. Remember, the JSA existed BEFORE that alien invasion.

Anyway I've recently watched these all (as in, today) and...it was real good. Sadly I didn't get to post in the thread the one thing that matters.

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I totally called that Julian was Alchemy and doesn't know it!

[khadgar567]

plus vixen is pure mortal using tantu totem to channel animal abilities so trang hits human but if you put etrigan in same station now you have problem because its demon getting hit with human sized trang so he dont get effected via magic or shear mass of muscle

[ryuplaneswalker]

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At this point they know how to deal with this ****. Remember, the JSA existed BEFORE that alien invasion.

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But her power doesn't go in her blood, She touches the spirit pokeball and and the animal comes out and she goes smashy or charge or..Super Awesome Drum Solo

And where were these anti magic darts when Olly needed to beat up Damian Dark? Felicity should feel bad for not seeing those while hacking government secret computers the half a dozen times that she did that!

Also I am sad that Captain Cold is dead again, it would have been funny to have him break himself out."Yeah they took my gun..but I am a criminal, I know how to break out of prison"

[khadgar567]

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But her power doesn't go in her blood, She touches the spirit pokeball and and the animal comes out and she goes smashy or charge or..Super Awesome Drum Solo

And where were these anti magic darts when Olly needed to beat up Damian Dark? Felicity should feel bad for not seeing those while hacking government secret computers the half a dozen times that she did that!

Also I am sad that Captain Cold is dead again, it would have been funny to have him break himself out."Yeah they took my gun..but I am a criminal, I know how to break out of prison"

wait end of season mate were flash finally takes his lesson and time travel proper era.

[LaZodiac]

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But her power doesn't go in her blood, She touches the spirit pokeball and and the animal comes out and she goes smashy or charge or..Super Awesome Drum Solo

And where were these anti magic darts when Olly needed to beat up Damian Dark? Felicity should feel bad for not seeing those while hacking government secret computers the half a dozen times that she did that!

Also I am sad that Captain Cold is dead again, it would have been funny to have him break himself out."Yeah they took my gun..but I am a criminal, I know how to break out of prison"

To be fair I didn't know that.

[JCarter426]

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The Government has Tranq darts that interfere with MAGIC?

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But her power doesn't go in her blood, She touches the spirit pokeball and and the animal comes out and she goes smashy or charge or..Super Awesome Drum Solo

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Vixen isn't usually Homo magi but different continuities, different magic rules, and this one is actually the normal Vixen's grandmother might mean this one is. In which case her powers could theoretically be disrupted by the same thing.

Or it could be something simple, like a sedative that makes it too hard to concentrate on using magic.

Besides, Justice League had a gun called the "Power Disruptor" that drained a Green Lantern ring, robbed a speedster of the Speed Force, affected Kryptonians like gold kryptonite, forced a Green Martian into one permanent shape, took away the magic powers of an Amazon, and somehow removed the "power" of a Thanagarian, i.e. being stronger than average and able to fly on account of being an alien with wings.

I'm just glad they didn't use it on Batman.

As for where they were in Arrow last year, well, Oliver couldn't hit him with an arrow, so what makes you think a tranquilizer dart would fare any better?

[Millstone85]

I was surprised by how much no-sell this crossover gave Supergirl, especially when

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the Flash took down the Atom and Firestorm with a lightning bolt each yet the one thrown at Supergirl didn't even pause her heat vision attack.

So apparently, not only are Barry's lightning bolts unable to overcharge Livewire, they are also nowhere as effective on Kara as Livewire's own electrical attacks.

And her speed is confusing. Kara is never shown to move like a speedster would, but I guess she flies as fast as Barry runs.
Edit: Wait, she did run with him in the last crossover. Why is her speed so rarely important in her adventures?

[Ranxerox]

Edit: Wait, she did run with him in the last crossover. Why is her speed so rarely important in her adventures?

Because she is as fast as him running in a straight(ish) line, but she can't change direction as quickly as he can and doesn't think at superspeed.

[rooster707]

So... just finished the crossover, was mostly not impressed. Seems like the Arrowverse just keeps getting worse with every episode.

Also, did anyone else catch that Star Trek reference?

[BlueHerring]

Because she is as fast as him running in a straight(ish) line, but she can't change direction as quickly as he can and doesn't think at superspeed.

And she can't also type at superspeed and have computers still function normally.

[Foeofthelance]

I was surprised by how much no-sell this crossover gave Supergirl, especially when

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the Flash took down the Atom and Firestorm with a lightning bolt each yet the one thrown at Supergirl didn't even pause her heat vision attack.

So apparently, not only are Barry's lightning bolts unable to overcharge Livewire, they are also nowhere as effective on Kara as Livewire's own electrical attacks.

And her speed is confusing. Kara is never shown to move like a speedster would, but I guess she flies as fast as Barry runs.
Edit: Wait, she did run with him in the last crossover. Why is her speed so rarely important in her adventures?

She also doesn't have the Speed Force negating some of the more physical consequences of her powers. Barry is a fairly normal human who can travel at supersonic speeds and grab people without turning them into goo or causing window-shattering sonic booms everywhere he goes because the Speed Force damps those particular effects. The Kryptonians, on the other hand, can get away with going supersonic and the effects thereof because they're functionally invulnerable. At the same time, they also get shown slowing down or even pulling back when they're doing something like catching a plane, because anything they hit doesn't have the same protection. Since Kara is flying around a major city and does actually have some interaction with the laws of physics, she needs to treat the rest of the world like tissue paper. Well, at least any time the writers remember physics is a thing...

[HardcoreD&Dgirl]

One of my go to reviews on youtube is this guy who must have really loved the orginal comic this was based on (a little before my time) he gave it an 'ehh...ok' but also pointed out all the flaws.

https://youtu.be/GPRosVbtT7I

My personal fav thing is he now uses firestorm as an effect "They fire stormed her"

[LaZodiac]

And so we learn the details of Savitas and Dr Alchemy.

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Turns out Julian really is Malfoy. He's even going after the Philosopher's Stone! I kid.

Overall this was a good episode. The bits with Earth-3! Flash were the best, ESPECIALLY a good ole cameo from Mark Hamill as The Trickster again, complete with KABOOM bomb vest. I loved it. I also especially love how he makes it very VERY clear that BARRY, FOR THE LOVE OF ****, TIME TRAVEL IS BAD.

But yeah no throwing Savitas into the Speed Force is a bad idea I bet that box is MADE of Speed Force.

[Rogar Demonblud]

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Yeah, you want to get rid of something, wrap it in steel, immerse it in concrete and chuck it in a deep sea trench.

[BlueHerring]

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Yeah, you want to get rid of something, wrap it in steel, immerse it in concrete and chuck it in a deep sea trench.

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Five bucks says the case ends up back in ancient India and gives Savitar powers in the first place. Or it ends up releasing him into the future.

But did no one think that dumping a stone that anchors the most powerful speedster, into the Speed Force, might actually not be the smartest idea?

I am slightly disappointed that we never got to see Cisco become Savitar's herald. I wish they'd have him do more with his powers (Like, say, Vibe the case?), but he's just there to use them whenever plot demands.

Also, nitpick/trivia time: The Brahmastra has never been depicted as a stone. It's always been a weapon. Usually it takes the form of an arrow (archery is considered to be the pinnacle of warfare in Hinduism), but it's been used as a sword on one occasion. Point is, it's not a stone, it's a weapon.

[dancrilis]

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Yeah, you want to get rid of something, wrap it in steel, immerse it in concrete and chuck it in a deep sea trench.

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Personally I was thinking some glue and than launch it into space - they at least mentioned the space bit.

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Point is, it's not a stone, it's a weapon.

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... stones are one of the oldest weapons.

[khadgar567]

the point is we have our solid reason for berry's legends of tomorow request from hunter since he lose iris he is desperate enough to travel back in time constantly until he saves iris from savatar but since his companions force him to not time travel he asks hunter to use waverider to go back in time and fix it for him since hunter is dead he runs back in time to try to save iris again and again hoping next try he succeeds to save her and he dont care about damning the time line he just cares about iris so next five episodes he gets desprate enough to accept faustian bargin from any one

[BlueHerring]

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... stones are one of the oldest weapons.

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Disclaimer: I'm not exactly sure how close to violating the forum's stance on religious discussion I am here, but I hope I'm fine since I'm just pointing stuff out from the Ramayana and Mahabharatha .

The Brahmastra isn't a physical object. It's an astra, a type of divine weapon invoked by reciting the proper mantras. There's a whole host of astras, but the Brahmastra is considered to be very nearly the deadliest, to the point that, IIRC, it can only be invoked once in a given warrior or sage's life, and there is no other counter to it except itself. As far as the Hindu epics are concerned, it was a weapon that, if improperly handled, could devastate the planet.

I'm a bit rusty on the specifics, but it's only ever been invoked in Hindu literature about four or five times, for that precise reason. Considering that most famous Hindu warriors were archers of some kind, it usually took the form of an arrow. There's one instance where someone uses it as a sword, but that's rare. But a stone isn't something it would ever be used as. Improvised weapons were considered disgraceful under the codes that Hindu warriors lived by, and using the mightiest of weapons in such a crude form isn't something that would happen.

Yet another instance of the Flash writers being particularly lazy, and not really thinking things through.

[Keltest]

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Disclaimer: I'm not exactly sure how close to violating the forum's stance on religious discussion I am here, but I hope I'm fine since I'm just pointing stuff out from the Ramayana and Mahabharatha .

The Brahmastra isn't a physical object. It's an astra, a type of divine weapon invoked by reciting the proper mantras. There's a whole host of astras, but the Brahmastra is considered to be very nearly the deadliest, to the point that, IIRC, it can only be invoked once in a given warrior or sage's life, and there is no other counter to it except itself. As far as the Hindu epics are concerned, it was a weapon that, if improperly handled, could devastate the planet.

I'm a bit rusty on the specifics, but it's only ever been invoked in Hindu literature about four or five times, for that precise reason. Considering that most famous Hindu warriors were archers of some kind, it usually took the form of an arrow. There's one instance where someone uses it as a sword, but that's rare. But a stone isn't something it would ever be used as. Improvised weapons were considered disgraceful under the codes that Hindu warriors lived by, and using the mightiest of weapons in such a crude form isn't something that would happen.

Yet another instance of the Flash writers being particularly lazy, and not really thinking things through.

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Maybe it is only a stone until somebody deliberately uses it as a weapon? And then it changes to fit how they want it to be used? Like a lump of raw iron being able to become a lot of different weapons.

[LaZodiac]

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Disclaimer: I'm not exactly sure how close to violating the forum's stance on religious discussion I am here, but I hope I'm fine since I'm just pointing stuff out from the Ramayana and Mahabharatha .

The Brahmastra isn't a physical object. It's an astra, a type of divine weapon invoked by reciting the proper mantras. There's a whole host of astras, but the Brahmastra is considered to be very nearly the deadliest, to the point that, IIRC, it can only be invoked once in a given warrior or sage's life, and there is no other counter to it except itself. As far as the Hindu epics are concerned, it was a weapon that, if improperly handled, could devastate the planet.

I'm a bit rusty on the specifics, but it's only ever been invoked in Hindu literature about four or five times, for that precise reason. Considering that most famous Hindu warriors were archers of some kind, it usually took the form of an arrow. There's one instance where someone uses it as a sword, but that's rare. But a stone isn't something it would ever be used as. Improvised weapons were considered disgraceful under the codes that Hindu warriors lived by, and using the mightiest of weapons in such a crude form isn't something that would happen.

Yet another instance of the Flash writers being particularly lazy, and not really thinking things through.

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I don't think it's lazy, especially when they could of just called it the whatever if they really wanted. They actually did some research into it.

Also...arrow heads are stone. Also also as said by Keltest, maybe this is just the "base form", the Astra form if you will, and no one has invoked the right Mantra's cause Savitar is using it for a different purpose.

Alternatively since the implication is that Savitar IS the stone, maybe the conceit is that "in this setting the legends are inaccurate" which is perfect okay.

[Rogar Demonblud]

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One of the glosses on the Brahmastra is that it becomes what you expect it to be. Archers expect it to be an arrow (shuddering thought, Ollie gets a hold of it). Julian was looking for the Philosopher's Stone, so it's a stone.

[random11]

You can argue if the speed force is the best place to throw the box in, but I say that since this box opens if you sneeze too hard on it, at least put a rubber band around it before you throw it anywhere!

[Swaoeaeieu]

ok so....

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this speed god with the weird name is after Barry because he is starting to pose a threat. But Zoom, who stole spead across multiple dimensions wasnt?

also, why is speedgod pulled back when the box closes again? they never really explained that i think

[LaZodiac]

ok so....

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this speed god with the weird name is after Barry because he is starting to pose a threat. But Zoom, who stole spead across multiple dimensions wasnt?

also, why is speedgod pulled back when the box closes again? they never really explained that i think

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Barry also BEAT Zoom, so...yeah. For what it's worth I'm predicting Wally is actually the speedster that Savitar is sensing as a threat, he just doesn't know it.

Because he's part of the stone. The box is part of the stone and according to everything Cisco did to study it, it "doesn't exist" so it's clearly some kind of magic thing. If the stone can't influence things outside the box when it's closed, beyond using sad people with dead loved ones, then it can't generate Savitar's body.

[Swaoeaeieu]

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Barry also BEAT Zoom, so...yeah. For what it's worth I'm predicting Wally is actually the speedster that Savitar is sensing as a threat, he just doesn't know it.

Because he's part of the stone. The box is part of the stone and according to everything Cisco did to study it, it "doesn't exist" so it's clearly some kind of magic thing. If the stone can't influence things outside the box when it's closed, beyond using sad people with dead loved ones, then it can't generate Savitar's body.

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he beat zoom with a trick if i recall... Zoom was still faster...
that stone explenation makes no sense to me :P but that wont be the first or the last time with this show

[LaZodiac]

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he beat zoom with a trick if i recall... Zoom was still faster...
that stone explenation makes no sense to me :P but that wont be the first or the last time with this show

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Okay, true. My theory that it's Wally stands true, because Wally with only some minor training is faster than Barry was at the time, so once he gets up there he'll be like...SUPER fast.

Okay think of it like this. Savitar is actually the stone. The body is just a projection of himself in physical form. The box stopped him from projecting said form.