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    Default Lord of the Sevenfold Shadows(COUNTERING FAMOUS OPTIMIZED CHARACTERS BUILDS)

    As requested , I am giving more details of the build and even created a FAQ with the doubts of the last thread .
    But I'm still editing , ask patience .


    Important consideration, completely rule out any infinite loop, Artifact or Epic Level
    Mechanics: I am fallowing rules to be a Practical Optimization:
    No infinite loops
    Max 1 summon while combat(Gate, Planar Ally, Ice Assassin or Similar)
    Allowd Familiar, Druid Animal Companion or Similar



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    Master of Shadows CR 20
    hp 627 (19 HD)
    Male fey Marshal 1/ Divine Stalwart Dragon-Blooded Sorcerer 5/Tainted Sorcerer 1/ Dweomerkeeper 10/ Spelldancer 1/Zhentarim Skymage 1
    LE Large Fey (Evil, Dragonblooded); Master of the Hunt Body(MM V.202)
    Init +138; SensesVariable vision; Spot +155
    Languages Permanent Tongues
    AC 173, touch 119, flat-footed Never;
    Immune electricity, exhaustion, fatigue, mind-affecting
    spells and abilities
    Fort +178, Ref +188, Will +196
    Speed 210 ft fly, 290 ft(Dragon)
    Melee+5 Ego Bastard Sword (non metal/Quintessence) +134/+128/+122/+116 (6d8+52/19–20×3) (Touch Attack)
    Space 10 ft.; Reach 10 ft.

    Special Actions Supernatural Spell 4/day, Spelldance, Dexterity Aura, Divine Companion, Domain Acess, Draconic Spell-like, Fly mount(Vampire Greater Wyrm Shadow Dragon), Enigma Aura, Blood Component, Tainted Supression, Tainted Metamagic, Tainted Spellcasting, Arcane Sight, Cloak of Mysteries, Hidden Spell, Cloak of Mystery

    Spoiler: Spells without know stones Detail
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    Sorcerer Spells Known (CL 60th)(DC 138+ Spell level): (Access to extra spells with drake helms dnd exchanging useless spells with Dragonblood pact and retraining spells)
    9th—Wish, Ice Assassin, Shapechance, Invoke Magic, Imprisonment, Mage Disj, Sphere of Ultimate Destruction, Alamanther Return, Mind Rape,
    8th—Greater Arcane Fusion, Superior Invisibility, Minute Form, Greater Betow Curse, Greater Celerity, Mystic Shield, Mind Blank, Moment of Prescience, Veil of Undead
    7th—Planar Bubble, Arcane Spellsurge, Limited Wish, Body outside Body, Antimagic Aura
    6th—Mental Pinnacle, Antimagic Field, Eye of Oracle, Force Shapechange, Analyze Dweomer, Trance of The Verdant Domain
    5th—Arcane Fusion, Teleport, Greater Blink, Telekinesis, Baleful Polymorph, Kiss of the Vampire, Wall of Stone, Shadow Form
    4th—Celerity, Friendly Fire, Ruin Delver's Fortune, Voice of the Dragon, Otiluke's Supressing field, Blacklight, Stifle Spell
    3rd—Permeable Form, Vision of the omniscient eye, Gust Wind , Dolorous Blow, Antecipate Teleport, Nauseating Breath, Spiderskin
    2nd—Wings of Cover, Heroic, Wraithstrike, Whirling Blade, Chamaleon, Suffer to flesh, Blur, Cloud of Knives
    1st—True Strike, True Casting, Hail of Stone, Eyes of Avoral, Strenght of True Form, Undetectable Aligment, Shieldbearer

    Cantips:
    prestidigitation, detect magic


    How to have access to all the spells of other lists?

    Ring of Theurgy (Complete Arcane)= You can store any magic and be cast as if it were of their known spells , you must have a caster to supply the rings.
    The Master of Shadow can summon dragons and angels to access spells. Examples:
    Planetar ,
    Elemental Weirdy(MM II)
    Dragons (Arcane and Divine Spells)

    It is also possible to use its own mount pet ( Zhentarim Skymage ) to supply the rings.
    Slayers and Minions can also do it.

    A Simulacrum
    Abeil, Queen: Druid Acess
    Black Ethergaut: Wizard Acess
    Elemental Weirdy: Sorcerer Acess

    Sorcerer Spells:
    9th—Elmister Evasion
    8th—Veil of Undead

    Cleric Spells:

    9th—Greater Visage of Deitie, Monstruous Thrall, True Ressurection
    8th—General of the Undead, Mind Blank
    7th—Blasphemy, Holyword
    6th—
    5th—Divine Agility, Surge of Fortune
    4th—Divine Power, Consumptive Field, Death Ward, Freedom of Moment, Mark of the Enlightened Soul
    3rd—Sheltered Vitality, That Art Thou, Spark of Life
    2nd—Find Trap
    1st—Sanctuary

    Druid Spell:

    9th—Greater Whirlwind
    8th—Unearthly Beauty, Stormrage
    7th—
    6th—
    5th—Owl's Insight
    4th—
    3rd—
    2nd—
    1st—


    Magic Domain Acess

    Magic Aura:
    Identify:
    Dispel Magic:
    Imbue with Spell
    Spell Resistance:
    Antimagic Field:
    Spell Turning:
    Protection from SpellsMF
    Mage's Disjunction

    Necrotic spell acess

    Corrupt Spell acess


    Spell-like: Wings of Cover/3day, Share to allies, Celerity
    Supernatural Abilite: Ice Assassin




    Spoiler: Spells with knowstones(Dragon #333) Detail
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    Sorcerer Spells Known (CL 60th)(DC 138+ Spell level): Knowstones to acess extraspells

    9th—Wish, Ice Assassin, Shapechance, Invoke Magic, Imprisonment, Mage Disjunction, Sphere of Ultimate Destruction, Alamanther Return, Mind Rape, Srinshee's Spell Shift, Instant Refuge, Miracle(Lucky domain)
    8th—Greater Arcane Fusion, Superior Invisibility, Minute Form, Greater Betow Curse, Greater Celerity, Mystic Shield, Mind Blank, Moment of Prescience, Ghostform
    7th—Planar Bubble, Arcane Spellsurge, Limited Wish, Body outside Body, Antimagic Aura
    6th—Mental Pinnacle, Antimagic Field, Eye of Oracle, Force Shapechange, Analyze Dweomer, Trance of The Verdant Domain, Contingency Spell
    5th—Arcane Fusion, Teleport, Greater Blink, Telekinesis, Baleful Polymorph, Kiss of the Vampire, Wall of Stone, Shadow Form
    4th—Celerity, Friendly Fire, Ruin Delver's Fortune, Voice of the Dragon, Otiluke's Supressing field, Blacklight, Stifle Spell
    3rd—Permeable Form, Vision of the omniscient eye, Gust Wind , Dolorous Blow, Antecipate Teleport, Nauseating Breath, Spiderskin
    2nd—Wings of Cover, Heroic, Wraithstrike, Whirling Blade, Chamaleon, Suffer to flesh, Blur, Cloud of Knives
    1st—True Strike, True Casting, Hail of Stone, Eyes of Avoral, Strenght of True Form, Undetectable Aligment, Shieldbearer

    Cantips:
    prestidigitation, detect magic


    How to have access to all the spells of other lists?

    Ring of Theurgy (Complete Arcane)= You can store any magic and be cast as if it were of their known spells , you must have a caster to supply the rings.
    The Master of Shadow can summon dragons and angels to access spells. Examples:
    Planetar ,
    Elemental Weirdy(MM II)
    Dragons (Arcane and Divine Spells)

    It is also possible to use its own mount pet ( Zhentarim Skymage ) to supply the rings.
    Slayers and Minions can also do it.

    A Simulacrum
    Abeil, Queen: Druid Acess
    Black Ethergaut: Wizard Acess
    Elemental Weirdy: Sorcerer Acess

    Sorcerer Spells:
    9th—Elmister Evasion
    8th—Veil of Undead

    Cleric Spells:

    9th—Greater Visage of Deitie, Monstruous Thrall, True Ressurection
    8th—General of the Undead, Mind Blank
    7th—Blasphemy, Holyword
    6th—
    5th—Divine Agility, Surge of Fortune
    4th—Divine Power, Consumptive Field, Death Ward, Freedom of Moment, Mark of the Enlightened Soul
    3rd—Sheltered Vitality, That Art Thou, Spark of Life
    2nd—Find Trap
    1st—Sanctuary

    Druid Spell:

    9th—Greater Whirlwind
    8th—Unearthly Beauty, Stormrage
    7th—
    6th—
    5th—Owl's Insight
    4th—
    3rd—
    2nd—
    1st—


    Magic Domain Acess

    Magic Aura:
    Identify:
    Dispel Magic:
    Imbue with Spell
    Spell Resistance:
    Antimagic Field:
    Spell Turning:
    Protection from SpellsMF
    Mage's Disjunction

    Necrotic spell acess

    Corrupt Spell acess


    Spell-like: Wings of Cover/3day, Share to allies, Celerity
    Supernatural Abilite: Ice Assassin





    Abilities Str-, Dex 77, Con 51, Int 35, Wis
    72, Cha 90
    Feats 35 feats(detail below); Extend Spell, Transdimentional Spell, Combat Casting, Iron Will, Mounted Combat, Persistent Spell, Twin Spell, Practical Metamagic(Twin Spell), Craft Contigent Spell, Arcane Thesis(Greater Arcane Fusion), Rapid Spell, Daley Spell, Sculpt Spell, Silent Spell, Still Spell, Smiting Spell, Fell Draining Spell, Mother Cyst Spell, Item Familiar(Max Hide skill), Draconic Heritage(Deep Dragon), Corrupt Arcane, Sanctum Spell, Arcane Strike, Spell focus(Necromancy), Undead Battery, Planar Touchstone(Catalogues of enlightenment-Trickery Domain), Fell Energy Spell, Mage Killer, Experienced Spellcaster, Supernatural Instinct, Shadow Weaver Magic, Arcane Strike, Improved Counterspell, Reactive Counterspell, Divine Sorcery(Lucky Domain)

    Skills Hide +202(217 when Shapechance), Spot +158, Bluff +130, Diplomacy +58, Performy +46, Disguise +77, Spellcraft +38, Use Magic Device +48, Use Psion Device +46,Knowledge(Religion) +10, Knowledge(Planes/Arcane) +36


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    Stealth:
    The master of the shadows can hide and spy on their opponents with ease
    +217 hide check, Superior Invisibility, Nondetection, Ex Vecna-Blooded, MindBlank, Supernatural Blacklight(Invoke Magic),
    It will hardly be detected, if detected , it uses second impression skill trick to avoid being detected.
    he uses Analyze Dweomer to discover all the craft contigent spell , to avoid surprises .
    It will analyze all spells and target effects, will analyze all target weaknesses before attacking.
    No risk, he used his Supernatural ice assasin(Shadow Duplication of Master of Shadows or Target clone) to avoid being attacked , it also uses riding dragons(Vampire Greater Wyrm Shadow Dragon) to use spells and attack targets with ease ( Skymage )
    Self Aleax Ice Assassin(Supernatural Necrotic Tumor +Supernatural Mindrape)
    Great advantages in the initiative(+138 initiative)
    Smiting Spell + Whirling Blade = Supernatural Imprisonment(142 save), Greater Betow Curse(141 save), Antimagic Aura(140 save).
    If the target cast spells / Spell-like or Supernatural abilitie, it will be intercepted.(Mage Killer/Supernatural Instinct feats)
    The intercepted target will be affected by smiting spells.(it can be deadly)

    Multiple Actions
    Twin Greater Arcane Fusion
    Slot 7, Sanctum Greater Celerity
    Slot 4, twin Celerity
    6 standard action + 2 move action
    Many Arcane fusion possibilities that can make all the difference.(very powerful combinations . It can be extremely deadly)
    He can persist all spells that have access .
    Body Outside Body
    His clones can cast several supernatural abilities , including mage disjunctun , wishes, wings of cover .
    If the enemie want to escape to your demiplane, the enemie have problems, Mental Pinnacle + Psicrown Metafaculty will find him. And I know all about your plan. Knowledge(Planes). And do not even try to block my entry, Supernatural Wish (Teleport) can bypass any defenses.

    Vecna-Blooded
    Any target that try to find out any information(Divination or Similar) about the Master of Shadows will automatically fail and will be relieved the name , appearance and location. And it can be extremely dangerous.
    Enigma Aura is deadly

    Arcane Fusion and Greater Arcane Fusion




    Spoiler: Details
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    Spoiler: Class detail
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    Class Entry:
    Divine Sorcerer: Complete Champion. PG 54
    Domain acess(Entry Dweomerkeeper): Your Depth of belief allow you to channel divine power the way a cleric does

    Dragonblood Sorcerer: Races of the Dragons. Pg 107
    Spell-like Ability acess:

    Stalwart Sorcerer: Complete Champion Pg 37
    2 bonus feat:

    Spelldancer(Class entry): Master of Shadows use heroic spells.




    Spoiler: Stats
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    Venerable Master of Hunt Body

    STR
    Ability Augmentation (Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire) +2 all ability bonuses

    Base 35
    +5 Wishes
    +6 Visage Of The Deity, Greater
    +2 Drugs
    +4 Elation (Morale)
    -10 Minute Form
    +8 Extract Gift (Enchant)
    +30 (Consumptive Field) ( Limitless )

    Total 80

    Dexterity
    Ability Augmentation ( Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire ) +2 all ability bonuses

    Base 40
    +5 Wishes
    +2 Drugs
    +12 Divine Agility ( Enchant )
    +8 Minute Form
    +6 Visage of the Deity, Greater
    +4 Elation
    Total 77 DEX

    Constituition
    Ability Augmentation ( Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire ) +2 all ability bonuses

    Base 38
    +5 Wishes
    +2 Drugs
    +6 Visage Of Deite
    +4 Elation
    -2 Minute Form

    Total 53

    Intelligence
    Ability Augmentation ( Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire ) +2 all ability bonuses

    base 16
    +5 Wishes
    +8 Extract Gift ( Ench )
    +4 Visage of the Deity, Greater
    +2 Drugs

    Total 35

    Wisdow
    Ability Augmentation ( Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire ) +2 all ability bonuses

    +18 Base
    +5 Wishes
    +3 Ages
    +6 Visage of the Deity, Greater
    +2 Drugs
    +32 Owl's Insight ( Competence )
    +8 Extract Gift ( Enchant )
    -2 Magic Blooded

    Total 72

    Charisma
    Ability Augmentation ( Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire ) +2 all ability bonuses

    Base 18
    +5 Level
    +5 Wishes
    +2 Magic Blooded
    +2 Unseelie Fey
    +1 Magical Location (Worm of Minauros)
    +6 Devil Ego ( Profane Bonus )
    +6 Righteous Aura ( Sacred )
    +6 Visage of the Deity, Greater
    +2 Drugs
    +3 Age
    +38 Powerleech ( Always Draining From my Dragon Pet )

    Total 94 Charisma


    Spoiler: Saves
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    Saves: Ability Augmentation ( Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire ) +2 all bonuses

    Fort: 8 + 21(Con)+3(Resistence)+44(Persisted Ruin Delver's Spell)+42(Shapechange to Death Giant MMIII) +60(Shield(Su)-Divine Sorcerer) = 178(188 against spells/spell-like)

    Reflex: 6 +33(Dex)+3(Resistence)+44(Persisted Ruin Delver's Spell)+42(Shapechange)+60(Divine Companion)=188(198)

    Will: 13 + 31(Wis)+3(Resistence)+3(Iron Will)+44(Persistend Ruin Delver's Spell)+42(Shapechance)+60(Divine Companion)=196(206)


    Spoiler: Skills
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    Skills: (Fell Energy Spell feat + Kiss of the Vampire) +2 all bonuses

    *Planar Touchstone(Catalogue)= Trickery Domain; Hide, Disguise, Bluff acess
    *Draconic Heritage(Deep)=Spot acess
    *Extract Gift = +15 all skills

    Hide: 23 +33(Dex)+42(Dexterity Aura/Marshal)+30(item Familiar) +16(Minute Form)+7(Spiderskin)+12(Chamaleon)+6(Greater Heroism)+22(Forestfold)+15(Extract) = +206

    Spot: 23+31(Wis)+42(Death Giant)+10(Eye of the avoral spell)+12(Vision of the ominiscient eye)+22(That Art Thou)+15(Extract)=+155


    Bluff: 23+42(Charisma)+6(Greater Heroism)+12(Voice of the Dragon)+32(Gibliness potion)+15(extract)= +130

    Diplomacy: 0+42(Charisma)+6(Greater Heroism)+12(Voice of the Dragon)+15(Extract)=+75

    Performy(Dance): 10+42+6+15= +73

    Disguise: +77

    Spellcraft: +38

    Use Magic Device: +50

    Use Power Device: +48

    Knowledge(Planes): +36

    Knowledge(Arcane):+36


    Spoiler: AC
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    AC: 10 + 60 Deflection(Shield(Su)/Divine Companion/Divine Sorcerer)+33(Dex)+5(Eye of the Oracle)+4(Cover Dragon) +7(Insight)= 119 Touch


    Spoiler: Initiative
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    Initiative: +33(Dex)+42(Dexterity Aura/Marshal)+10(Gear)+7 Primal Instinct + 42(Death Giant)+2(Traits)= +136



    Spoiler: Attack Roll
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    Attack Roll: 1d20(Choose 20/Surge of Fortune)+20(Divine Power)+ 35(STR)+5(Enchant)+6(Morale)+8(Minute Form)+20(Arcane Strike feat)+20(True Strike)+3(Haste)= +137 Crit hit(Vorpal Weapon)(Touch attack)

    Whirling Black Roll: 1d20(Choose 20/Surge of Fortune)+20(Divine Power)+ 42(STR)+5(Enchant)+6(Morale)+8(Minute Form)+20(Arcane Strike feat)+20(True Strike)+3(Haste)= +144 Crit hit(Vorpal Weapon)(Touch Attack)


    Spoiler: Caster Level
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    Caster Level: 60 Caster Level
    Base 20
    Bead of karma: +4 caster
    Suffer to flesh: +5
    Arcane Gloves: +2
    Tatoo: +3
    Adept Spirit +3 Insight
    Mark of the Enlightened Soul(Good Spells), +2 Untype
    Consumptive Field=+20



    Spoiler: Defenses
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    Defenses: Shieldbearer + Reflective TowerShield = Total Cover
    Craft Contigent Spell Condition: When the enemy cast Mage Disjunctun or similar with metamagic effect : Twin Greater Arcane Fusion
    he uses Invoke Magic Supernatural Blacklight and abuse of hiding check
    If the enemy cast some supernatural or magic effect will be intercepted(Mage Slayer/Supernatural Instinct) , no DEX AC (Blacklight)

    Spoiler: Shapechange + Strenght of the true form
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    Good Picks: Death Giant, Shadesteel Golem, Aspect of Leviitan(Elder Evil)



    Undead Battery(Age of Mortals)=Free metamagic
    Tainted Metamagic=Con damage to Free metamagic

    Spoiler: Feats
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    35 Feats: Embrace the Dark Chaos/Shun the Dark Chaos/Pysichic Reformation/Retraining rules:
    18 level = 7 feats
    Elf Original Race= 5 feats
    Marshal Bonus=1 feat bonus
    Draconic Bloodline bonus = 2 feat bonus
    Flaws: 2 bonus
    7 Site locations( Othy Hole, Metamagic Storm and others ): 7 bonus feat
    Elder Evil fighting = 5 bonus feat
    Tainted= 2 Bonus feat
    Symbiotic Creature= Free Empowered Spell
    Stalwart= 2 bonus feat
    Seling Soul: 2 bonus feat


    Spoiler: DC Check
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    DC Check: Evil Subtype and Undead are ignore tainted negative effect.
    Evil Subtype and Kiss of the Vampire(Undead)
    The limit for tainted score will be the maximum that it can survive without evil subtype . Avoiding the infinite loop.
    DC=10+144(Tainted Score)+ Spell level +10(If Irresistible spell)


    Spoiler: Vampire Greater Wyrm Shadow Dragon PET
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    It is incredibly efficient , Share Spells(Skymage) combined with powerful spells can be very dangerous .



    Spoiler: Buffs
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    Buffs: Extend/Persist everything if possible.
    Shapechange(Death Giant/Shadesteel Golem or Elemental Weirdy)
    Hide Life
    Greater Visage of Deitie(Good)
    Foresight(Elemental Weirdy)
    Invisibility Superior
    Minute Form
    Mystic Shield
    Veil of Undead
    Mind Blank
    Moment of Prescience
    General of Undead
    Unearthly Beauty
    Stormrage
    Arcane Spellsurge
    Planar Bubble
    Extraordinary Spell aim/Selective Spell Antimagic Field
    Eye of Oracle
    Analyse Dweoper
    Greater Blink
    Kiss of the Vampire
    Owl Insight
    Divine Agility
    Surge of Fortune
    Friendly Fire
    Ruin Delver's Fortune x3
    Voice of the Dragon
    Consumptive Spell
    Supernatural Spell Blacklight(Invoke Magic)
    Supernatural Spell Death Ward(Invoke Magic)
    Supernatural Spell Freedom of Moment(Invoke Magic)
    Supernatural Spell Sheltered Vitality(Invoke Magic)
    Second day, Supernatural Sanctum Kiss of the vampire(Invoke Magic)
    Invoke Magic Permeable Form
    Vision of The omniscient eye
    Dolorous Blow
    Antecipate Teleport
    Spiderskin
    That Art Thou
    Heroic x5
    Whaithstrike
    Chamaleon
    Bladeweave
    FellDrain Maximized Twin Cloud of Knive(Invoke Magic)
    Find Trap
    Forestfold
    Gibliness(potion)
    Primal Insting(potion)
    Eye of Avoral
    Strenght of the true form
    undetectable aligment
    Shieldbearer
    Shadow Form


    Spoiler: Craft Contingent Spell Trigger
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    When Master of Shadows os attacked: Twin GAF
    When the enemie use Time Stop: Time Spo
    When Master of Shadows attack: Twin GAF
    When Lord of Shadows start a counterspell: Srinshee's Spell Shift
    When the Enemie use Celerity or Similar: Twin GAF x 14



    Spoiler: Infinite Loop Definition
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    Pay attention: This is a way to have a viable and acceptable battle on an adventure.
    Infinite loop has no clear definition. So I will try to define it.

    Any action which has no limit established then have any multiple feats, spells, bodys:
    Example: Shun the Dark Chaos an Otughy Holed (Multiples Feats) or Other sites multiple times.
    Infinite Greater Arcane Fusion
    Infinite Money or a limit not set.
    Infinite Spells or a limit not set
    Any action that may be abusable accumulating the same effect repeatedly, even if it really is not infinite:
    Example: Awaken + Animal shapechange = Magical Beast
    New Animal shapechange + New Awake


    Craft contingency spell is not an infinite loop, it has a set limit. Max your HIT DICE.

    Detail, this build is able to use all these tricks. But it will be only a TO build.


    Spoiler: FAQ
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    FAQ:
    Q: How you will use Metafaculty?
    A: Mental Pinnacle + Psicrown Metafaculty + Use Psionic Device=60 Manifester level + Surge of Fortune

    Q:How you will counter craft contingent spell?
    A: Analyse Dweomer and know your trigger condition

    Q: Mindsight can detect you?
    A: No. Superior Invisibility block all senses except touch.

    Q: Master of The Hunt Body?
    A: This is a Optimized Character. True, Mindswift against Master of The Hunt Body

    Q: Ice Assassin of youself?
    A: Yes, Master of Shadows use your shadow clone to avoid dangerous. Ice Assassin + Mindrape + Necrotic Tumor

    Q: Infinite spell or DC check?
    A: No. Every spellcaster can use infinite loops, Master of Shadows never use more spell than Sorcerer daily spell + Charisma Bonus
    Master of Shadowns limits its tainted score the most he would survive without evil subtype

    Q: Towershield unable your attack?
    A: Yes, but Arcane Fusion is not an offensive spell; Target:Personal

    Q: Use Dragonpact/retraining/Shun of the dark chaos/Embrance of the dark chaos/Psychic Reformation is infinite loop?
    A: No, Change limited spell/feat per another is no a infinite loop.

    Q: How do you apply metamagic in lvl 9 spells?
    A: Undead Battery




    You can pick any famous character optimized to counter .
    Infinite Loop character is not allowed.



    Spoiler: Killing ExFighter
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    Using stealth to approach to analyze the enemy. Soon, the Home attaque . I use the Ice Assassin , not to take any risk. ( Superior Invibility )
    Step 1 : Daleyed Twin Greater Arcane Fusion
    Step 2: Surprise Action + Twin Greater Arcane Fusion

    Slot 7: Body Body outside ( 12 clones)
    Slot 4: Sanctum Teleport ( Hide )

    Each Clone : Cast Spell -like Celerity + Mage Disjuction against Exfight



    Second Twin Greater Arcane Fusion

    Slot 7: Sanctum Greater Celerity
    Slot 4: Twin Celerity

    6 standard action +2 move actions

    Whirling Blade +148 Touch, Discharging Imprisonment (148 DC will , Greater Betow Curse ( uncontrollable mutation . )

    or

    Force shapechange ( DC 145 )

    Using other actions to kill him .


    Spoiler: Killing H.I.V.E build
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    Step 1) The Master of Shadows will analyze all target weaknesses. Analyze your contingent spells ( Countering it) .
    To not be ambiguous , all my spells contingents have the same trigger(GAF contingency) that the H.I.V.E. Except 3:
    1) When Master of Shadows attack : Twin GAF
    2) When the enemie cast Time Stop or Similar: Time Stop
    3) When Master of Shadows is attacked : Twin GAF


    Step 2) Before the attack :
    Daley Twin Repeat GAF :
    Slot 7: Sanctum Greater Celerity
    Slot 4: Twin Celerity
    Standart 6 + 2 Action Move Action
    Standart 6 + 2 Action Move Action next round.
    Cast non persisted spells and smiting Spells + Invoke Magic

    The attack + Contingency Twin GAF :
    First GAF :
    Slot 7: Body outside Body
    Slot 4: Sanctum Arcane Fusion ( slot 4: Creepling Darkness , Slot 1: Sanctum Supernatural Wind Gust )
    Gust Wind counter yours swarms

    Second Twin GAF :

    Slot 7: Antimagic Field
    Slot 4: Whirling Blade


    Metamagic Spells inside GAF :

    Antimagic Field: Sculpt ( Line) + Selective Spell ( Ego Bastard Sword )
    Whirling Blade: Sculpt ( Line) + Twin + Transdimentional Spell + Invoke Magic

    Whirling Blade + Smiting Spell feat
    Imprisonment : 168 Will Save
    Greater Betow Curse : 167 Will Save
    Death by thorn : 166 Will save



    Of course, still has the action of the clones (Described Above) : It seems to be the end.

    If H.I.V.E trying to cast a spell . A Clone cast Supernatural Stifle Spell
    The target must succeed on a Concentration check ( DC equal to 158+ the level of the spell being cast) to ignore the distraction , or else it loses the spell .

    Each clones cast Spell-like Celerity+Supernatural Time Stop

    Use Enigma Aura(120 feet) + Supernatural Dimensional Lock + Prepare action to use Supernatural Mage disjunction when the target does any action.

    If the target does not get to win 50 % Enigmatic Aura , use Supernatural Alter Fortune . ( Try again )
    12 clones to H.I.V.E try kill.


    Last edited by ragevillain; 2016-08-30 at 07:25 PM.

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    Default Re: Revenge of the true master arcane(COUNTERING FAMOUS OPTIMIZED CHARACTERS BUILDS)

    is it lord draco? I bet its lord draco

    (I feel like 17 minutes has to be a new record for identifying a lorddrako post, y'all, I should be getting some kind of award for this shizznit.)
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    Feats: Cleave, Great Cleave, Greater Spell Focus (illusion), Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Persuasive, Power Attack, Spell Focus (illusion), Weapon Focus (greataxe)
    Yep, that's a wizard-killer alright. Doesn't qualify for any of the PrCs, either. This is not even a finished post, it's just a copy-paste of a monster stat block with some numbers arbitrarily changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExLibrisMortis View Post
    Yep, that's a wizard-killer alright. Doesn't qualify for any of the PrCs, either. This is not even a finished post, it's just a copy-paste of a monster stat block with some numbers arbitrarily changed.
    I'm finishing up yet, you can rest assured , all pre -requisites are in.
    It will take a while to be able to finish it , just wait .
    And that's not a wizard killer .
    I think he can do well against any class,
    it takes a little time to detail .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragevillain View Post
    I'm finishing up yet, you can rest assured , all pre -requisites are in.
    It will take a while to be able to finish it , just wait .
    And that's not a wizard killer .
    I think he can do well against any class,
    it takes a little time to detail .
    It is! It is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowglass View Post
    It is! It is!
    The ExFighter is more difficult than any wizard for instance

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    is it lord draco? I bet its lord draco
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    It is! It is!
    It feels like you are insinuating something. Is it something you can state bluntly without breaking forum rules?
    Edit: Apparently it was solely insinuating the OP being an alternate account. (I can be dense at times)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldTrees1 View Post
    It feels like you are insinuating something. Is it something you can state bluntly without breaking forum rules?
    Edit: Apparently it was solely insinuating the OP being an alternate account. (I can be dense at times)
    insinuation involves hinting and suggesting and obfuscation. I am outright stating.


    I love how his new build is such a cut and paste of his last build that he STILL has "delay spell" misspelled as "daley spell". I mean, he keeps building and rebuilding this guy but he still can't proofread it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragevillain View Post
    The ExFighter is more difficult than any wizard for instance
    I bet the ExFighter isn't more difficult than any sorcerers though, amiright? Because sorcerers are king, yo!

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    I love how his new build is such a cut and paste of his last build that he STILL has "delay spell" misspelled as "daley spell". I mean, he keeps building and rebuilding this guy but he still can't proofread it.
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    I'm going to be honest, "the Welsh became a Great Power and conquered Germany" is almost exactly the opposite of the explanation I was expecting

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    I wish him good luck in taking down Khepri. Hell, good luck in taking down the basic H.I.V.E. build.


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    So... Which famous build is this meant to counter?

    Pun-Pun? It can't be Pun-Pun, Pun-Pun owns this thing.
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    I thought it was a spell that summons former Chicago mayor Richard Daley.

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    I thought it was a spell that summons former Chicago mayor Richard Daley.
    Its Metamagic, so perhaps it shapes your spell into the form of former Chicago mayor Richard Daley. You know, so you can throw a Firedaley at people instead of a fireball.

    you know, this guy, on fire, streaking toward you then exploding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowglass View Post
    I bet the ExFighter isn't more difficult than any sorcerers though, amiright? Because sorcerers are king, yo!
    Well, a Wizard or Archivist can replace my build . But I think for this particular build the sorcerer has advantage.
    But there are several functions that the wizard has clear advantages .

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    It is! It is!
    I've got the popcorn, who is bringing the nachos to this show?

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    I've got the popcorn, who is bringing the nachos to this show?
    I've got several party bags of tortilla chips. I figured somebody else would bring the cheese, though.


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    I've got several party bags of tortilla chips. I figured somebody else would bring the cheese, though.

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    I've got the popcorn, who is bringing the nachos to this show?
    awww, I was gonna grab the popcorn.

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    What am I missing?

    Which Famous builds are you 'countering' here?

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    ...What is happening here? This seems to be a recurring user who is not taken terribly seriously. I don't recognize him, so can't comment on that, but the "Build" presented doesn't explain how anything is achieved, from the crazy stats to the boatload of feats and spells known.
    Throw the dice high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowglass View Post
    Its Metamagic, so perhaps it shapes your spell into the form of former Chicago mayor Richard Daley. You know, so you can throw a Firedaley at people instead of a fireball.

    you know, this guy, on fire, streaking toward you then exploding.
    Ah yes, the fabled Democromancer build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post
    What am I missing?

    Which Famous builds are you 'countering' here?
    All this will be explained , but I need more time.

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    Red Fel, Red Fel, Red Fel!
    Don't bother the dark one, he left these "builds" in the trash months ago the last time around. He has better things to do.

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    All this will be explained , but I need more time.
    Why didn't you just post when you were ready?
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    ...What is happening here? This seems to be a recurring user who is not taken terribly seriously. I don't recognize him, so can't comment on that
    The build in the OP is remarkably similar to another build that has popped up here before: it has similar mechanics, a similarly shaky grasp of the rules, even several of the same freaking misspellings. The relevant part is that the poster in question got banned after the first time they posted the build and spent 60+ thread pages being extremely argumentative, insulting to other posters, and acted at several points in direct opposition to instructions from a moderator (instructions intended to make the thread a bit less hostile). Now, that's not a problem; banning happens, especially when you treat other posters like garbage and ignore the mods when they tell you to stop doing a thing. Interestingly enough, a new thread popped up much later with basically the entire build copy-pasted in the OP, labelling it as a villain handbook and claiming this build was the ultimate sorcerer (although at least this time, there were no images of half-naked sorcerer dudes showing off their sick abs). Now, claiming that an account isan alternate account of a previously banned poster is a difficult claim to prove at the best of times, but this seemed a pretty clear case...right up to the point where the poster admitted to being an alternate account for the previously banned poster, at which point he was once again banned.

    And here we are again: another suspiciously similar build, another suspiciously similar posting style, but at least this time there's enough differences that it's possible this isn't the same, so that means all we can really do is report our suspicion and then watch what happens...hence the fetching of popcorn and tortilla chips.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    Why didn't you just post when you were ready?
    Because "I need more time" is going to be his excuse every time he loses an argument about the legitimacy/efficacy of his build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    Why didn't you just post when you were ready?
    I should have done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearlessGnome View Post
    ...What is happening here? This seems to be a recurring user who is not taken terribly seriously. I don't recognize him, so can't comment on that, but the "Build" presented doesn't explain how anything is achieved, from the crazy stats to the boatload of feats and spells known.
    The opening poster submitted the thread before they were done writing the opening post.

    The opening poster is not being taken seriously because one person suspects they are an alternate account for a former member that was not taken seriously (perhaps justifiably) in one of those 40+ page argument threads.

    As such you are seeing the forum react to Page 1 of this thread, even before the opening post is finished, as if it were just the next page of ridicule and argument of that 40+ page argument thread.

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    I should have done it.
    Perhaps you still have time? Ask the mods if they can lock/delete this thread that you accidentally started before your opening post was ready?

    Although all evidence points to the forum being toxic towards your posting this thread. So my honest advice would be to lock this thread, finish the opening post, and post it to another forum.
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