Lord of the Sevenfold Shadows(COUNTERING FAMOUS OPTIMIZED CHARACTERS BUILDS)

[Red Fel]

awww, I was gonna grab the popcorn.

If I call for one of our heroes, does that make me a damsel in distress? Red Fel, Red Fel, Red Fel!

Wait. I see Taint rules. So taint but no infinite loops? I mean, I think most T'OP builds aren't truly infinite, so they're fair play?

TREMBLE WITH FEAR, MORTALS, FOR I HAVE COME TO-

... is that popcorn? Dude, don't hog the popcorn.

Don't bother the dark one, he left these "builds" in the trash months ago the last time around. He has better things to do.

I honestly don't even know what's going on here. It looks like somebody posted something, claimed it was unfinished and took it down, and now everyone is commenting on how this bears a shocking resemblance to something that happened awhile back which we probably shouldn't be discussing you guys because reasons.

Mostly I'm just here for the nachos. Someone remembered nachos, right?

[Flickerdart]

I honestly don't even know what's going on here.

...

Mostly I'm just here for the nachos. Someone remembered nachos, right?

This is nacho average thread, that's for sure.

[AvatarVecna]

TREMBLE WITH FEAR, MORTALS, FOR I HAVE COME TO-

... is that popcorn? Dude, don't hog the popcorn.



I honestly don't even know what's going on here. It looks like somebody posted something, claimed it was unfinished and took it down, and now everyone is commenting on how this bears a shocking resemblance to something that happened awhile back which we probably shouldn't be discussing you guys because reasons.

Mostly I'm just here for the nachos. Someone remembered nachos, right?

As previously mentioned, I have lots of tortilla chips (and now salsa as well), but I assumed somebody else would be bringing the cheese.

[dascarletm]

Dang it Red Fel, I don't want you getting your lawful tendancies all up in my nacho and popcorn enjoyment! Your regulations stifle my creativity!

This is nacho average thread, that's for sure.

[Zanos]

...What is happening here?

Something beautiful, my friend. Something that will boil your eyes with it's radiance.

But I think for this particular build the sorcerer has advantage..

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[Strigon]

Honestly, I think these threads (if this is, in fact, one of the aforementioned threads) are good for the community as a whole.
I mean, really, we've got running gags, reaction gifs, snacks, Evil Overlords...
Say what you want about OP, he's bringing The Playground together.

I reserve the right to retract this statement once the actual debating begins

[Seppo87]

Honestly, I think these threads (if this is, in fact, one of the aforementioned threads) are good for the community as a whole.
I mean, really, we've got running gags, reaction gifs, snacks, Evil Overlords...
Say what you want about OP, he's bringing The Playground together.

I reserve the right to retract this statement once the actual debating begins

I agree - forums are usually very impersonal: you know what users think but next to nothing about who they are; this kind of thread is a very fun and unexpected surprise

[Calthropstu]

TREMBLE WITH FEAR, MORTALS, FOR I HAVE COME TO-

... is that popcorn? Dude, don't hog the popcorn.



I honestly don't even know what's going on here. It looks like somebody posted something, claimed it was unfinished and took it down, and now everyone is commenting on how this bears a shocking resemblance to something that happened awhile back which we probably shouldn't be discussing you guys because reasons.

Mostly I'm just here for the nachos. Someone remembered nachos, right?

Damn you, now I want nachos.

[Calthropstu]

So, he has some sort of build.

I don't see why that should evoke these reactions.
Let him have his build.
And his cake.
And nachos.

DAMNIT I'M HUNGRY.

[Red Fel]

Damn you,

Seriously, this thread is all hype and no payoff. Can I go back to my private hell now? I was ordering a pizza.

[OldTrees1]

So, he has some sort of build.

I don't see why that should evoke these reactions.
Let him have his build.
And his cake.
And nachos.

DAMNIT I'M HUNGRY.

Short answer: It shouldn't evoke these reactions. The forum is being excessively toxic for no good reason.

@Red Fel
You were ordering pizza? Why are you waiting around here for? Nachos can be good and all but almost nothing beats pizza.

[Gallowglass]

Short answer: It shouldn't evoke these reactions. The forum is being excessively toxic for no good reason.

@Red Fel
You were ordering pizza? Why are you waiting around here for? Nachos can be good and all but almost nothing beats pizza.

Old trees, if you are <i>insinuating</i> that i am the one being excessively toxic you need to go reread my posts. Ive been nothing but exuberant about this. I love a lorddrako build!

That being said, i fear i was too quick on calling him out and i may have frightened him off. Like a hesitant turtle he has taken his toy and slithered back into his shell. Sorry about that guys!

*is waiting to pick up indian takeout for dinner, sorry im missing out on the nacho pizza*

[OldTrees1]

Old trees, if you are <i>insinuating</i> that i am the one being excessively toxic you need to go reread my posts. Ive been nothing but exuberant about this. I love a lorddrako build!

That being said, i fear i was too quick on calling him out and i may have frightened him off. Like a hesitant turtle he has taken his toy and slithered back into his shell. Sorry about that guys!

No, while your initial 2 posts could be misread (I do apologize about that), I do not think you are being excessively toxic. The toxicity is more a result of the chain of signalling that followed rather than an individual's intention.

Turtles are known to retreat if the climate is not conducive to their activity.

[ben-zayb]

There was a villain handbook?

And what's the point of countering famous builds? At least, for TO that supposedly just aims to beat punpun, the point is showcasing beating the supposed most powerful.

[Zanos]

Short answer: It shouldn't evoke these reactions. The forum is being excessively toxic for no good reason.

If this is toxicity, I think some of the other forums might make you physically sick.

[thethird]

Hum!

I was reading the build on my phone and then when I went to post puff. Gone. Dammit the hype.

Spoiler: Joining the popcorn crowd though

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[Red Fel]

@Red Fel
You were ordering pizza? Why are you waiting around here for? Nachos can be good and all but almost nothing beats pizza.

One, because I was called, I made the trip across the planes, and thrice damnit, I want a show for my troubles.

Two, do you know how long those deliveries can take? My last one took a quarter of a century. I ended up having to send a minion to kill the delivery guy while he was thinking lecherous thoughts simply to get him down here with my pizza already.

We're keeping him waiting in the sixth lobby. That's the one next to the scream room. Let him wait for delivery for a change.

There was a villain handbook?

Um... Hi? Have we, you know, met? I mean, I made a thing and everything.

[Extra Anchovies]

Is OP really claiming to have a build that counters all of these, many of which come online much earlier than 20th level? I'd say anyone who tries to do that is crazy.

Its Metamagic, so perhaps it shapes your spell into the form of former Chicago mayor Richard Daley. You know, so you can throw a Firedaley at people instead of a fireball.



you know, this guy, on fire, streaking toward you then exploding.

Spell Thematics (Richard Daley) is totally going in my next caster build.

This is nacho average thread, that's for sure.

Flickerdart, you're beautiful.

[ragevillain]

Already finished , lacking only show how to kill everyone, for obvious reasons I do not use infinite loops

[JNAProductions]

Already finished , lacking only show how to kill everyone, for obvious reasons I do not use infinite loops

Right folks, it's done! Tear it to shreds!

I'd do it myself, but my op-fu is rather weak.

[ragevillain]

Right folks, it's done! Tear it to shreds!

I'd do it myself, but my op-fu is rather weak.

I think a little difficult

[JNAProductions]

I think a little difficult

Assuming you're a new poster, there were two builds almost identical to this posted recently. (In the past few months, I think.) Both times, many holes were found in the design, and it failed to hold up to the smarter minds of GitP.

[ragevillain]

I believe you will not find holes to find, please tell me,
If you get me report any mistake , even tried to remove any possible doubt of interpretation.
Priya and Mailmain
I used as a reference, I think they have improved.
This is my first build.

[AvatarVecna]

Ex Fighter, Mailman, and Priya aren't really theoretical optimization, but I suppose they're not exactly super-easy to kill either, so... *shrug*

I wish you good luck in killing a H.I.V.E., or Khepri for that matter.

[ragevillain]

I never said that they are easy .
My build is not theoretical , it takes no infinite loop and it has low cost.


Can u link these builds ?

[AvatarVecna]

I never said that they are easy .
My build is not theoretical , it takes no infinite loop and it has low cost.


Can u link these builds ?

Well, here's a list of famous char-op builds (mostly theoretical, but a good number of practical). H.I.V.E. is somewhere in there, and Khepri is the build in my signature (although I'm currently working on an upgraded version that can use some of their technically-finite feats to take epic feats).

[Buufreak]

Can u link these builds ?

Has there ever been a compiled list of all the big bad builds of the forums?

Edit: thanks, Mr. Vecna. Always a good resource.

[JNAProductions]

I never said that they are easy .
My build is not theoretical , it takes no infinite loop and it has low cost.


Can u link these builds ?

Khepri is in AV's sig.

[AvatarVecna]

Has there ever been a compiled list of all the big bad builds of the forums?

Edit: thanks, Mr. Vecna. Always a good resource.

Being totally fair, it was previously linked in this thread, I just re-linked to it. But yeah, it's a good resource. It's not really super-complete though: I have no doubt there's lots of fantastic builds floating around that can accomplish quite a bit.

Incidentally, here's another link. These builds are more practical optimization (for the most part), but they're still interesting in their own right.

[ragevillain]

Well, I saw some problems with the Hive , Low spot check . And he needs a cohort optimized to access charisma and intelligence and he is using infinite loop.
This build I made can also use infinite loops, Twin Greater Arcane Fusion :
Slot7 : Sanctum Greater Arcane Fusion
Slot 4: Celerity

Infinite Actions, by logic it is banned.
But What happens when conjure Evil Weather or Disjunctun or Frostfell or Supernatural Holyword or a simple supernatural spell Gust of Wind , preventing their swarm ?

It is exactly why it is theorical H.I.V.E.


Twin greater arcane fusion
Slot 7: Sculpt Selective Spell Antimagic Field(Ball)
Slot 4: Sanctum Arcane Fusion
Slor 4: Twin Empowered FellDrain Hail of Stone
Slor 1: Twin Empowerd FellDrain Hail of Stone.

-8 Negative Level + High damage.