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2016-08-31, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've already had my perfect D&D movie in Your Highness so either way I'm good.
But in seriousness I'm fully expecting it to be awful - I'd be surprised if it was anywhere near as good as the Warcraft movie and that was a solid "Meh".
As people have said I'd like a D&D movie to have some focus on the players, not TOO much, but similar to the way Princess Bride was filmed with the cuts to child and grandpa - occasional 4th wall breaks to the table with reactions etc The "DM" actor doing the Narration in the movie - stuff like that. Embrace the people playing the game side of things rather than just the epic fantasy movie vision.
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2016-08-31, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Totally. The Indiana Jones tomb robbing scenes, maybe a little of the first Brendan Fraser Mummy film, plus Aliens, all with chain mail, swords, axes and spears. That's the tone we're looking for. We can even have a guy saying "game over man! game over!" as the survivors cram themselves into a ten by ten room and wedge the door shut, after watching three people get eaten by something.
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2016-08-31, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-31, 10:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Warcraft movie wasn't very good, so I don't have high hopes for the D&D movie, unless they somehow make it something different from a standard fantasy tale. One suggestion is making it actually about the game. So, people playing Dungeons and Dragons as well as the adventures their characters partake in. It could be a celebration and tribute to the roleplaying community. If it is something like that, it would be something unique and different. If not, well, than it just becomes a generic fantasy story and I don't see a real market for that anymore.
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2016-08-31, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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People did that 'cut to the real world' thing with LEGO, and it ended up being pretty badly mocked. At least in part because it derailed the momentum of the third act.
Never watched that movie is it worth watching?
If you're referring to The Princess Bride, you should probably watch it at least once so you understand where a third of the quotes on the internet come from.
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2016-08-31, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh yeah. And at some point, probably the climax of the movie, there will be a huge dragon, probably a red dragon, that either swoops down or rises up out of some lava and fire, to the tune of 80's metal guitar riffs with the determined heroes in the foreground poised for action.
Of course the dragon needs to kill at least one of the main adventuring party in the course of the combat. Maybe the cynical thief, who finally has come to value friendship over gold and does something brave instead of hiding like he usually would. After the fight, the others will rush over to the dying thief, and someone will hand him a huge gem or a golden gem encrusted chalice and say "look, Ferdis, the hoard is ours!" he'll be like - *cough blood* "bury me with my share of the treasure. Don't forget the *cough* extra ten percent we agreed on and the *cough* magic dagger I let you borrow."
Then they lay him down on a pile of gold and he dies clutching the chalice with a serene smile on his face.
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2016-08-31, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Make it a quest to the ruins of a legendary city thought protected by a fierce dragon.
Turns out one of the adventurers' is a descendant of the ruler and hopes to find proof of his claim somewhere in the ruins, another seeks the dragon's hoard even if it risks the fury of the dragon.
Various forces are also interested in the ruins but are willing to wait for the adventurers to return outside so they can rob them, but one of the adventurers isn't who they think she is.
Revealed as the former guardian of the city she has returned to help the descendant pay his respects to his ancestor revealing her hoard was spent helping to protect the city as it shielded her grove.
A rival faith turned the locals against her and they burnt down her grove releasing her from her oath resulting in the destruction of the city as the rival cities realised it was now unprotected but they claimed she was responsible to avoid accepting the blame for their actions.
The tomb of his ancestor is revealed as the only untouched treasure trove in the city but they're still faced with their rivals awaiting their return to steal their loot.
The Guardian reveals herself allowing the adventurers to escape the city wiser, more experienced and a little richer but facing an uncertain future as their friend revealed as a dragon druidic sorceress has to move on to maintain her secret identity... are they willing to let her go and keep the secret or accompany her knowing that for them the adventure is only the beginning?Last edited by Hopeless; 2016-08-31 at 03:28 PM.
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2016-08-31, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the only half decent way to do a D&D movie would be to do a direct adaptation of a well known adventure module such as Great Modron March, Expedition to Castle Ravenloft, or Temple of Elemental Evil. Preexisting characters aren't absolutely necessary.
Edit: Or Baldur's Gate!
A filmmaking technique which was also the basis of the new Ghostbusters movie
Plus saying "it'll be as good as Lord of the Rings" is kind of a monkey's paw, miscast wish kind of statement; what if it's as good as the Ralph Bakshi version of Lord of the Rings?
To be fair, there's definitely somethig to be said for the mindset mentioned at the end of that first paragraph, because I wouldn't go see the movie proposed in the second paragraph.Last edited by Bohandas; 2016-08-31 at 09:10 PM.
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2016-08-31, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok thats just insulting to all of their other settings. Personally Forgotten Realms is pretty far down on my list of settings (its right above Krynn, stupid color coded factions), i would much prefer Planescape (a DnD fan favorite) Greyhak (a classic) Eberrron (so many options) or Dark Sun, really anywhere but Faerun. Faerun just feels so... generic, on top of the fact that virtually every game they've ever made is set there whats left to tell?
In short, go to Eberron, its the setting of Dungeuons and Dragons Online, which is still fairly popular) and its a setting that gives them a lot of freedom and it in no way feels "generic"
So this then? I am of the firm belief that Dragons must be introduced to epic Metal Guitar Riffs, otherwise something is wrong.Last edited by Blackhawk748; 2016-08-31 at 09:19 PM.
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2016-08-31, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, now that I think of it, you could do a legitimate generic D&D movie without established characters, an established setting, or an established adventure provided that the entire movie was about mind flayers fighting a war against beholders
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2016-08-31, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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That marked bit? That's what the suits care about. More people have probably heard of or played Baldur's Gate and Pools of Radiance than otherwise have the faintest clue about what D&D is. You want that name recognition, because it serves as a multiplier on your advertising dollars.
Otherwise, people's reactions tend towards "Oh, that thing from the 80s that got everyone pissed off. And wasn't there a crappy cartoon too?" Then they turn to Google, find out the first movie stank, the next two were SyFy Originals, and they decide they can skip going to this.
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2016-08-31, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd agree that D&D is a terrible setting for fantasy stories, and that more than that games in general do not turn into movies well. With that said, that assumption doesn't fit a great many fantasy settings.
This seems like a terrible idea. A decent movie lives and dies on the qualify of its storytelling and characters; this undercuts storytelling immediately and indirectly weakens the characters.I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
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2016-09-01, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not in fantasy and science fiction. A sufficiently intriguing setting and/oror story premise can make up for other shortcomings. I honestly couldn't tell most of the human characters from Lord of the Rings apart (nor could I tell Merriweather and Pippin apart, nor could i tell the dwarves from The Hobbit apart) but I still loved the movies anyway. There weren't any recurring characters in The Twilight Zone (unless you count the narrator). And 2001 A Space Odyssey is widely recognized as one of the best movies of all time despite having some of the most opaque and incomprehensible storytelling of all time. Plus, some of the best writers in history were rather poor storytellers, but made up for it by having good stories to tell; Tolkien, Dickens, and Lovecraft concocted some of the most wonderful stories ever told and then set them down on paper in a fashion that was only barely readable.
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2016-09-01, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Am I the only one who liked the Warcraft Movie? I thought it was flawed, but far better than Marvel Civil War, which was basically just a slew of pointless action sequences with a badly put together excuse plot. At least Warcraft aspired to be something more, and had some really interesting visuals. Frankly I'd say its the second best movie that has come out all yet. The best being Zootopia.
...And the fact that I am ranking a video game movie as the second best movie of the years speaks very poorly of this years crop. I hope I'm a bit eccentric.
At any rate if they are going to do a D&D movie, they should have a point where the Party goes off the rails. Where instead of following the carefully woven plot thread they just decide to go get drunk at a bar, and kill somebody important. This would spiral into an entirely different plot line where they are on the run from the Guards and trying to get out, and all the while the evil villains plans go forth without a hitch. At some point during this the rogue would die, and the Paladin and the Cleric would get into a brutal fight to the death over who got to steal his stuff. Eventually the surviving main characters get offered a job by the villain, who won offscreen because they were making so much chaos that nobody noticed his operations.
You know, like the sort of thing which actually happens in D&D campaigns.
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Well, you aren't supposed to have sense in this kind of movie. (Snails was the one who wanted to forget all this nonsense and do something safer, right?).
I don't see the problem with it being better than the live-action Lord of the Rings films.
Seriously, there are a good number of people who prefer Ralph Bakshi's version for legitimately reasons, can people please stop insisting that it's inferior to the Peter Jackson version.
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2016-09-01, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-01, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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I can agree with you that Civil War was disappointing in a number of ways, but I'm not sure I can agree about Warcraft being good. Now, keep in mind that my understanding of the movie comes not from seeing it, but seeing the trailers and hearing about the experience some friends of mine had at the movie; here's the impression I've been given:
"Going in, your expectations are probably low, because it's a magic-fantasy-based video-game movie; you figure, if you turn your brain off, and don't worry about whatever problems it has, maybe the movie will be a 'so bad it's good' movie. Then, as you watch the movie, it shows that there's serious effort going into it, and that people are trying, and that it just might deserve for you to take it seriously...and it raises your expectations just high enough that the movie can once more fail to meet them. This movie was a decent watch, but because it's aiming to be a great video-game movie and ends up coming out just above mediocre, it's not succeeding at its goal; it's too good to judge it by bad movie standards, but it's too bad to meet good movie standards."
I have no idea how accurate this impression is, given that I haven't seen the movie myself, but my friends have generally had good* taste in movies, so I imagine that's how I'd experience it as well.
*: Good movies in this case being "something I'd enjoy", since my friends and I tend to agree on what we thought of most movies (although we disagreed on Guardian Of The Galaxy).
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2016-09-01, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I love Bakshi's work, including LOTR, and he worked hard to promote the idea that animation can be for adults too. That said, yeah, sometimes they are bad, and this page will give a rundown better than I could http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/bakshi/bakshi.htm. keeping a character name consistent, ESPECIALLY if you are changing it to avoid confusion, seems like sort of basic stuff.
I also liked the Warcraft movie. It was an entertaining fantasy tragedy. Awkward at times, but at the end I wanted more. I hope there is a sequel in the works.
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I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
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Holy crap, they made two of us. 'Cause that was exactly my reaction to a Warcraft/Civil War double header with a friend. And it wasn't even that I liked Warcraft better than guys in themed tights punching each other - which I knew would bore me - I liked Warcraft enough to go a second time by myself.
But a new D&D movie won't be that good. There's a lot of weird stuff in D&D that would be extremely hard to cook down into a 2.5 hour long movie - all the history behind the monsters, the weird way magic works - and so on. This weird is what, to me at least, makes D&D fun; strip that out and you've got generic fantasy without a clear story. Which in theory could be good, but has a very low likelihood of actually being good.
Really, what they should do is a D&D TV show. You could do a sort of archytpical campaign a lot better that way; spend time on the party members' origins, put in bits about ancient illithid empires and so forth, actually show a decent chunk of a cool fantasy world. Then bring in the chief evil dude, show the players ascend in power from scrubs to actually cool, and so on. Season finale takes place in an appropriately elementally themed lair - and you can bring in a whole new set of adventurers next season if you want.
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2016-09-01, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's pretty accurate. Stuff like the Mario movie you can laugh at because the cast were drunk the whole time they were filming it, and B-horror schlock is either done with a wink and a nod at the tiny budget or acting like the tiny budget is a big one with the disparity being what makes the humor.
For video game movies, the utter lack of understanding of the source material is what provides the entertainment. For the first D&D movie, casting Marlon Wayans as a major character, among many other sins. The people that make it don't care, and that allows you to wallow in the badness.
Warcraft had an obviously huge budget. A heck of a lot of work went into the CGI. The people that made it obviously did so with a very solid understanding of Warcraft lore* and a lot of care was put into making it seem authentic.
Warcraft didn't have Jeremy Irons taking huge bites out of the scenery. It didn't have an obviously miscast comedy actor in what should have been a serious role. It wasn't written by writers that were high on PCP, or directed by someone who was just using the movie as a tax dodge (*cough* Uwe Boll *cough*).
With all that going for it, you start to expect a good movie. And it just...wasn't. It was the top end of mediocre, and the failure to make it genuinely good with all the work that was put into it only makes the failure stand out more.
As for the new movie? Meh. Hollywood has proven incapable of writing original fantasy movies for the past 20 years at least. It's the one case where I'd prefer they adapt something, because at least then there's a chance of quality from the plot.
*this week's version of it. Don't like it? Wait a week for the next retcon.