Puzzle and Dragons in the Playground XVII: Cross Your Hearts and Make Things Die

[gooddragon1]

Not naturally, I had to arrange 3 crosses and 1 prong on a 7x6 endless dungeon board and then orb change, but it's a little over 1.5 billion damage all together.

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I fear to go higher (not all the orbs were plus orbs, most of them weren't). It could break my game if FF FF FF FF (4,294,967,296) is the max value.

[Anarion]

Not naturally, I had to arrange 3 crosses and 1 prong on a 7x6 endless dungeon board and then orb change, but it's a little over 1.5 billion damage all together.

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I fear to go higher (not all the orbs were plus orbs, most of them weren't). It could break my game if FF FF FF FF (4,294,967,296) is the max value.

The game won't break if you hit the damage cap. People did it on Kenshin a few months ago, no big deal. It's totally unnecessary, but fun.

[gooddragon1]

The game won't break if you hit the damage cap. People did it on Kenshin a few months ago, no big deal. It's totally unnecessary, but fun.

Well, then I won't have to worry about "lucky" skyfalls breaking my game I guess.

Spoiler: MP Monster Weird Healer

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300k MP Monster (Evo Form)
Name: Weird Healer, <Name?>
Type: Healer/Attacker/Physical
Attribute: Dark/Light

HPS: 5252
ATK: 2152
RCV: 1252

Active Skill: [Weirding Ritual][CD 9->3] Spawn 3 Dark Orbs at random from Non-dark and non-heart orbs. Spawn either 3 Heart, Jammer, or Poison Orbs at Random from Non-dark, non-heart, non-jammer, non-poison orbs.
Leader Skill: [Affliction Inversion] 3x ATK/RCV for Healers. 3x ATK and halve dmg when matching 3+ jammer orbs, +5% damage reduction per jammer orb. 3x ATK and recover 3x Team RCV when matching 3+ poison orbs or mortal poison orbs, +1x RCV per poison orb or mortal poison orb.
Leader Skill Abbreviated: 3x ATK/RCV for hlrs. 3x ATK, reduce dmg @ 3+ jmr. 3x ATK, heal 3x team RCV @ 3+ psn, +heal for more.
Awakenings:
2x Skill Bind Resist
2x Bind Resist
2x Skill Boost
2x Time Extend
1x Bind Recovery

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Inverts the effects of poison, jammers meant to stall you block damage and stall for you, regular heal orbs are massively more effective.

[obryn]

Personal preference speaking here, but: Ronove's skill is way way way faster and in my limited experience more useful. Ronove's multiplier is a lot higher and stacks well with TPAs, where Myr is more of a row card. Ronove gets a little less time to work with, but has higher returns. Ronove also has much more controllable bursts: if you're worried about a damage ceiling, you can not heartcross and still get 9x, while Myr is 1x or 59.29x. Ronove gets 6.25x for 3 colors, 9x for 4, 16x for a heartcross and one or two colors, 100x for a heartcross and 3 colors, and 144x for 4 colors. Also Ronove boards appear more 'naturally', I guess is the best way to put it. A good Myr board is some hearts and a ton of lights, which basically means you have to burn an active. Ronove, on the other hand, requires five hearts and three colors on the board. Barring something like Beelzebub's shenanigans, most boards will have that (and those that don't, you can use your three-turn active to make some and save your bigger actives for tougher opponents).

Sorry, I passed right over this.

That makes a lot of sense - yeah, Ronove's active is pretty fantastic for board-cleaning, isn't it? I also tend to prefer prongs to rows, but my ReMinerva experiences are making me reconsider. Prongs are, indisputably, easier to do with a heart-cross.

So it looks like maybe King Tans tomorrow? I am crossing my fingers.

[Quietus]

Sorry, I passed right over this.

That makes a lot of sense - yeah, Ronove's active is pretty fantastic for board-cleaning, isn't it? I also tend to prefer prongs to rows, but my ReMinerva experiences are making me reconsider. Prongs are, indisputably, easier to do with a heart-cross.

So it looks like maybe King Tans tomorrow? I am crossing my fingers.

Oh man, I would be so happy if we got King Tans tomorrow. I need to get rid of some of my current stockpile, make some space

[obryn]

So I'm considering getting the blue/red puppeteer for cheese Minerva tricks. I have 575k mp, so I'll have >300k for anything super-cool. Am I crazy?

[Mystic Muse]

Yep, you're definitely crazy.

[Anarion]

So I'm considering getting the blue/red puppeteer for cheese Minerva tricks. I have 575k mp, so I'll have >300k for anything super-cool. Am I crazy?

Wait, why blue/red? That makes the enemy fire attribute, so you get regular 1x damage. Why not red/green so you turn them green and get 2x damage?

[obryn]

Wait, why blue/red? That makes the enemy fire attribute, so you get regular 1x damage. Why not red/green so you turn them green and get 2x damage?

Cheesy fire resist, of course!

[Anarion]

Cheesy fire resist, of course!

Oh, duh. You want it to tank. I've heard worse plans.

[obryn]

Oh, duh. You want it to tank. I've heard worse plans.

Yeah, it's literally for novelty. I have a spare 250k, and monsters I can sell if push comes to shove. Which it won't, probably, until I build up more.

[gooddragon1]

First, imaginary monster idea:

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Wise Rainmaker, Kushinadahime

Types: Healer/Attacker
Attributes: Water/Wood

HPS: 2805
ATK: 1832
RCV: 700

Active Skill [Protection of Divine Wisdom](CD 11->8): 75% damage reduction for 1 turn.
Leader Skill [Rain Dance]: Can match 2+ connected enhanced water orbs. ATK x1.5 at 3 combos. ATK x0.5 for each additional combo, up to ATK x10 at 20 combos. All attribute cards ATK/RCV x3 when reaching Water & Wood combos.
Awakenings:
5> +Water Orb Awakenings
2> Bind Resist Awakenings
1> Skill Boost Awakening
1> 2x Attack at 7+ Combos Awakening

It's enhanced water orbs so that it generally has to "rain" for them to combo.

Second:
I noted that A cross and a prong are a LOT easier to make than 2 crosses.

That in mind
2 Aizen leads
4 Satsuki/Lumiel (It'll interrupt a little with the water primary of aizen, but it's alright for the firepower tradeoff)[Optimally 3 Satsuki, 1 Lumiel]

Third and finally:
I plan on running Mephisto, Noah, and Hel today for +3 stones to put me at 38 by the end of today (hoarding for 100). Almost rank 333.

[obryn]

Oh, duh. You want it to tank. I've heard worse plans.

I ended up grabbing her and going for a test run.

Interesting. Fun, even. But I'm not completely sold yet.

[Mystic Muse]

Well, ended up using one stone on challenge 9 because I miscalculated by damage on Cu chulain by one point (Ronove not having a sub attribute is irritating), and knew I could clear Tengu (ended up getting lucky and Kaede one-shotted him), and figured a py of my choicevis worth a single stone.

Yes. I used a team that relies on hearts in a dungeon that doesn't spawn hearts, shut up.

[Erloas]

I've got challenge 10 and the fixed team (8?) left.
I really need to get some of my new monsters up and into teams. I've had Ronove for quite a while and just haven't built a team for him, pulled Gremory but nothing there yet either. Though I did build a Krishna team and have been using that a lot, but it seems like I've had team after team of red based that all have almost all of the same people, so not much variety there. Also finally got Myr done but only used a bit. I just don't really seem to like the cross meta but it seems to not be optional for anything hard at this point.

[gooddragon1]

I've got challenge 10 and the fixed team (8?) left.
I really need to get some of my new monsters up and into teams. I've had Ronove for quite a while and just haven't built a team for him, pulled Gremory but nothing there yet either. Though I did build a Krishna team and have been using that a lot, but it seems like I've had team after team of red based that all have almost all of the same people, so not much variety there. Also finally got Myr done but only used a bit. I just don't really seem to like the cross meta but it seems to not be optional for anything hard at this point.

I was just happy getting through challenge 6 and getting a badpy.

Spoiler: Another made up monster

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Two-Faced Machine King, Binarius
Types: Machine/Attacker
Attributes: Water/Dark

HPS: 4444
ATK: 2222
RCV: 88

Active Skill (Twin Face)[CD 16->12]: Randomly spawn 4 Water & Heart orbs from non Water & Heart orbs. Increase Combo Count by +2 for 2 turns.
Leader Skill (Binary Logic): Can no longer clear 3 or less connected orbs. 2x to all stats for Machine Type. Matched attribute ATK x4 for each combo of exactly 4 connected orbs. Reduce damage taken by 50% when simultaneously clearing 4 exactly connected Heal orbs.
Awoken Skills: 2 Bind Resist, 2 Two-Prong Attack, 2 Skill Bind Resist, 2 Skill Boost

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Prongs are more fun than crosses to make and easier to make.

[Anarion]

I've got challenge 10 and the fixed team (8?) left.
I really need to get some of my new monsters up and into teams. I've had Ronove for quite a while and just haven't built a team for him, pulled Gremory but nothing there yet either. Though I did build a Krishna team and have been using that a lot, but it seems like I've had team after team of red based that all have almost all of the same people, so not much variety there. Also finally got Myr done but only used a bit. I just don't really seem to like the cross meta but it seems to not be optional for anything hard at this point.

I found 10 easier than 9 this time. Regardless, Krishna is really quite good, so I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss him. He's not quite at the heart cross level, but he's surprisingly close. Among other things, I've cleared Ultimate Arena and Machine Zeus with Krishna, and he carried me through this C10 as well.

[obryn]

I've got challenge 10 and the fixed team (8?) left.

The fixed team is actually pretty good. Only trick is to save Hades for Alfecca and don't be stingy with skyfall actives.

[Rynjin]

I really wish I had my own Sarsavati. My friend has been pairing well with Metatron, and I like the playstyle, but I'm starting to hit a bit of a wall again in what I can kill. I need that little bit more "oomph".

[obryn]

I really wish I had my own Sarsavati. My friend has been pairing well with Metatron, and I like the playstyle, but I'm starting to hit a bit of a wall again in what I can kill. I need that little bit more "oomph".

I wish I could give you one of my three!

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And wow, this game is real different when you're mostly spending stamina on farming Arena. Have I mentioned I love ReMinerva? Parvati is the only one who can really hose my run - and I have figured out how to beat her, too.

[Erloas]

I've tried C10 a few times now, Krishna is very good, I just need to take the time to figure out where to farm his skill-up and get him done. Also out of +s for him. The last few times on C10 I got to Myr, delayed through the damage absorb, and then had is skyfall into her death zone. I'm sure I can 1-shot her, or ding her down a bit to make sure but it just seems to be trolling me so far.

As for the other teams, I didn't mean Krishna was bad, just that I also have some other very strong options that I just haven't really put any effort into.

[obryn]

I've tried C10 a few times now, Krishna is very good, I just need to take the time to figure out where to farm his skill-up and get him done. Also out of +s for him. The last few times on C10 I got to Myr, delayed through the damage absorb, and then had is skyfall into her death zone. I'm sure I can 1-shot her, or ding her down a bit to make sure but it just seems to be trolling me so far.

As for the other teams, I didn't mean Krishna was bad, just that I also have some other very strong options that I just haven't really put any effort into.

Bring Dragon Killer Tsubaki. There will be a very dead Myr at the end.

[Anarion]

I wish I could give you one of my three!

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And wow, this game is real different when you're mostly spending stamina on farming Arena. Have I mentioned I love ReMinerva? Parvati is the only one who can really hose my run - and I have figured out how to beat her, too.

We are weirdly paralleling each other. What's your ReMinverva team? I've also been farming arena, but I'm doing it with Krishna instead (same team as I used for c10 listed below). Krishna's thing is just that you need to not waste too many actives on the last three enemies before Kali, as the team I'm using for Arena has to keep ASusan active on Hino, so you only have two orb changes, one of which might need to be used on the all poison board if you pull Beelz. So you have to kill Zeus and big dragon without wasting an important active.

I've tried C10 a few times now, Krishna is very good, I just need to take the time to figure out where to farm his skill-up and get him done. Also out of +s for him. The last few times on C10 I got to Myr, delayed through the damage absorb, and then had is skyfall into her death zone. I'm sure I can 1-shot her, or ding her down a bit to make sure but it just seems to be trolling me so far.

As for the other teams, I didn't mean Krishna was bad, just that I also have some other very strong options that I just haven't really put any effort into.

Bring Dragon Killer Tsubaki. There will be a very dead Myr at the end.

This is very good advice. I was going to ask in general what your team is. I used Krishna/Urd/ACaoCao/ReHino (with inherited awoken Susano-o)/AAme and had no trouble one-shotting Myr once her shield ran out. I think it was 2 rows and a TPA with actives.

[Fax Celestis]

If anyone wants to run Gainaut or any of the other rogues, LMK. I'm farming MP and partners help the process.

[Erloas]

I didn't notice when they changed the killer awakenings from multiplayer to all the time. Although I do have Tsubaki, I took her into the other ultimate.

And as I was looking at my box I realized I had a few more options than I was used to, probably changes that I didn't remember or in some cases like ReMinerva I did her but haven't finished leveling her up so overlooked them.

Right now it is:
Khrisna/Ame no Uzume/ReMinerva/Gadius/Urd

Although at some points I've had Yamato Takeru and Awoken CaoCao on the team. Also have Awoken Lielan and Tsubaki (2970 R/L version) as options. Got Dantalion as well but still in his first form so a while to go before he is ready for a real team.
AmeNoUzume is just for the bind clear, which I think is needed in C10, but actives don't seem to be my problem so much as poorly timed skyfalls.

[obryn]

We are weirdly paralleling each other. What's your ReMinverva team? I've also been farming arena, but I'm doing it with Krishna instead (same team as I used for c10 listed below). Krishna's thing is just that you need to not waste too many actives on the last three enemies before Kali, as the team I'm using for Arena has to keep ASusan active on Hino, so you only have two orb changes, one of which might need to be used on the all poison board if you pull Beelz. So you have to kill Zeus and big dragon without wasting an important active.

I am running with...

ReMinerva [GrOdin*] / Yamato / ReKagu / DK Tsubaki [Terra] / Gadius

* soon to be the green healer girl from Kenshin Collab, because I like her Active waaay better except for niche uses.

I prefer to pair with a Minerva with RGY's active. The only one who stumps me consistently is Parvati, though I can get her if I can get really controlled damage output - usually literally one red and one yellow combo, with very few other combos. Same thing for Sopdet, who never kills me anymore.

This is very good advice. I was going to ask in general what your team is. I used Krishna/Urd/ACaoCao/ReHino (with inherited awoken Susano-o)/AAme and had no trouble one-shotting Myr once her shield ran out. I think it was 2 rows and a TPA with actives.

All I'm sayin' is that DK Tsubaki deals 9m instead of 1m against dragons. That's crazy. She has actually overkilled DKali with her 50% shield up once or twice, so I keep the initial damage burst more controlled. Especially since I can tank the Kalis' punishment swings with the +15% HP/-cost badge.

I didn't notice when they changed the killer awakenings from multiplayer to all the time. Although I do have Tsubaki, I took her into the other ultimate.

You should reverse and re-ult unless you are specifically using her as a lead. She is really that good.

Although at some points I've had Yamato Takeru and Awoken CaoCao on the team. Also have Awoken Lielan and Tsubaki (2970 R/L version) as options. Got Dantalion as well but still in his first form so a while to go before he is ready for a real team.
AmeNoUzume is just for the bind clear, which I think is needed in C10, but actives don't seem to be my problem so much as poorly timed skyfalls.

Bind clear is generally best saved for inherits, IMO.

Dantalion is ... disappointing. I have one, too. I hope he becomes the next Kaede after some buffs, because otherwise I never see myself using him.

[Anarion]

I am running with...

ReMinerva [GrOdin*] / Yamato / ReKagu / DK Tsubaki [Terra] / Gadius

And we're running the same ReMinerva team, sans inherits. I'm sad I don't have Terra.

All I'm sayin' is that DK Tsubaki deals 9m instead of 1m against dragons. That's crazy. She has actually overkilled DKali with her 50% shield up once or twice, so I keep the initial damage burst more controlled. Especially since I can tank the Kalis' punishment swings with the +15% HP/-cost badge.

Bind clear is generally best saved for inherits, IMO.

I take Ame for bind clear because she's also bind immune. I could potentially inherit her onto CaoCao and take Tsubaki instead, which could be strong, although that means losing Cao's active much of the time, so I'd need to, like, inherit a second good board change active onto Tsubaki, I think. Much work, possibly worth the payoff. I'll consider it.

[obryn]

And we're running the same ReMinerva team, sans inherits. I'm sad I don't have Terra.

It's a really good active skill, and the cooldown is low enough that it becomes Ready pretty quickly. The nice thing about it is that I can hide annoying orbs (looking at your preemptive, Grisar ) on the sides, then nuke them. It's not strictly superior - there are board configurations where it could theoretically be worse - but I really like it.

I thought about inheriting Vaan but his cooldown is way too much longer for one more of each orb. Still, he'd be a good second choice IMO.

I take Ame for bind clear because she's also bind immune. I could potentially inherit her onto CaoCao and take Tsubaki instead, which could be strong, although that means losing Cao's active much of the time, so I'd need to, like, inherit a second good board change active onto Tsubaki, I think. Much work, possibly worth the payoff. I'll consider it.

Yeah, the 'bind immune' bit is why I'm using Minerva as the bind-clearer. Cao's active is great; I might look to inherit that onto the team.

[gooddragon1]

How many combos do I need to make my monsters attack anime style? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxuYNVWr9o

Spoiler: Broken Neptune Evo

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Reawoken Neptune
Attacker / Physical / God
Water/Dark

HPS: 6412
ATK: 2251
RCV: 567

Active Skill [Strength of My Enemy](CD 8->5) Team attribute type becomes the same as target enemy for 1 turn. Spawn 4 Orbs at random of the same attribute as target enemy. (If only 1 enemy, then that is the target)
Leader Skill [Bident of Superiority]: 2x All Stats. No Skyfall Combos. 2x ATK/RCV/combo count/50% damage shield for each combo of exactly 4 connected orbs.
Awoken Skills:
1x Skill Bind Resist
2x Bind Resist
2x Skill Boost
2x TPA
2x Time Extend

I think I could clear some content with this.

1 Combo of 4 is treated as 4 combos with 2 of these as leads. 2 (4) orb combos are treated as 32. I used to be worried about exceeding the damage threshold, but that's not a problem apparently.

1) tank a hit of a certain total damage
2) resist or undo negative orb changes
3) deal a large amount of damage at one time
4) deal a specific, limited amount of damage at one time
5) overcome a combo shield
6) resist, tank, or undo monster binds
7) live through skill delay
8) Heal a large amount either at once or over several turns

1) Check, hp and shield
2) Orb Changer Subs
3) Yep
4) Should be able to
5) Most definitely
6) Resist
7) Latents
8) Check
9) Potentially ignore element absorbs (check)

Alternative monster:

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Gleancrawler
Attacker / Physical
Dark/Wood
HPS: 7125
ATK: 2517
RCV: 676

Active Skill [Summon Darkness](CD 11->6): Randomly spawn 5 Dark orbs from non Dark orbs. Enhance Dark orbs.
Leader Skill [Bident of Superiority]: 10x All Stats. 10x ATK for each cross of dark orbs. 90% damage reduction at full HP. Damage dealt can never be absorbed. Deal 10x ATK when matching orbs ignoring defense and element. Leader skill always functions (even when switched).
Awoken Skills:
1x Skill Bind Resist
2x Bind Resist
1x Skill Boost
5x Time Extend

1) Check, hp and shield
2) Yep
3) Yep
4) Won't need to
5) Won't need to
6) Resist
7) Latents
8) Beyond Belief
9) Potentially ignore element absorbs (check and mate)

Could clear ultimate arena 1-3 with no problems.

Spoiler: On second thought

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The Rainmaker
Water/Water
Balanced
HPS: 4444
ATK: 2222
RCV: 1111
Active Skill [Greywater] (CD 5->3): Damage you deal becomes untyped for 1 turn.
Leader Skill [Rain Dance]: Water all stats x3. 50% damage reduction for 1 turn at 7+ combos. All orbs are treated as water orbs and heal orbs after being matched. Increase orb move time by 10 seconds.
Awakenings:
2x Bind Resist
1x Skill Bind Resist
6x ATK x2 at 7+ combos

Should be fun.

[obryn]

Huh. This one-shot was way easier than the past few.

That, or ReMinerva is kinda broken.