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    actually, a thought?

    why do Togabito get stronger than they were before being damned?

    It seems counterproductive.
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    I'm thinking it's a "gravity" thing.

    You know how your bones get more brittle when you're exposed to microgravity? In theory, organisms that adapt to heavier gravity become more sturdy.

    And Hell is, well, Hell. So the spiritual 'gravity' of Hell must be a lot stronger than Soul Society or Hueco Mundo.
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    I met a girl with a really pensive look. I walk up to her, put a fifty cent coin in her hand, "For your thoughts. I know the going rate is supposed to be one, but I figure you play hardball."

    She gave it back, "Keep it. Pretty sure a guy with your charm can find a way to have them for free anyway."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    actually, a thought?

    why do Togabito get stronger than they were before being damned?

    It seems counterproductive.
    Running from the wardens is good workout.

    But really, in the long run, they don't get stronger. Instead, they get mentally and physically worn down untill they're literally dust.

    Those who get stronger in the short term are those willfull beings who resists succumbing to their fate and really do appreciate the workout they get from running from the wardens.

    Also, spiritual power is born from suffering and Hell's the most suffering you'll get.
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    to grow old and wither and die."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen_Feet View Post
    Also, spiritual power is born from suffering and Hell's the most suffering you'll get.
    I don't see too many shinigami complaining about how awful their powers are.
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    Hisagi says hello.

    Though really, most of them just take it in the chin. Or revel in it, like Unohana, Kenpachi and Mayuri.
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    Kuroimaken, your inbox is full.
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    Not anymore.

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    I met a girl with a really pensive look. I walk up to her, put a fifty cent coin in her hand, "For your thoughts. I know the going rate is supposed to be one, but I figure you play hardball."

    She gave it back, "Keep it. Pretty sure a guy with your charm can find a way to have them for free anyway."

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    My already-erratic posting is going to be impacted for a week+ due to moving and so on. It's a good move, but still.
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    Hey, we appreciate the heads-up.
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    I met a girl with a really pensive look. I walk up to her, put a fifty cent coin in her hand, "For your thoughts. I know the going rate is supposed to be one, but I figure you play hardball."

    She gave it back, "Keep it. Pretty sure a guy with your charm can find a way to have them for free anyway."

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    For the record, Shin-Tan Ubai's interpretation of the song differs from the Stones' official.

    Sympathy for the Devil has the singer claiming to be the Devil and sarcastically take credit for acts of purely human evil to satirize people who blame outside forces for the harm that mankind does to man--you're supposed to have sympathy for the devil becuase humanity itself is 'the devil.'

    Shin-Tan is hyperfocused on the "every cop, all the sinners" verse and using the song to illustrate her own belief that evil is subjective.

    And I used Motorhead instead of the Stones because Metal seemed more appropriate in my head than classic rock for the vibe I was going for and Ozzy's cover isn't very good.
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    I'm hazy on if patrols have resumed after Yellow Ki-Rin Empress lifted her blockade. I may have asked this before.

    If someone wants to play a random patroller, that's fine to me. Otherwise, any volunteers for receiving a phone call on the Gotei's side?
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    The Sanctuary is in Ikari, right?

    @Frozen? BTW, between Lobo and the mook Hollow, about how many souls would Shin-Tan Ubai have in her? Might be important later.
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    Yes, it is in Ikari.

    Lobo and the other Hollow were technically individual isolated fragments of larger wholes. For the sake of discussion, let's say the bandaged stranger used up a hundred of the pale Arrancar's souls to reforge Lobo's sword into something usable by Sarah, because hundred is a nice round number. So that'd be 102, plus Sakura.
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    Anim/Sakura is more of a "White-becomes-Zangetsu" thing. They only count if Shin-Tan Ubai herself counts as a soul separate from Sarah's
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    You can discount Lobo as well if you discount Sakura, so 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen_Feet View Post
    You can discount Lobo as well if you discount Sakura, so 101.
    eh, as far as Shin-Tan is concerned Lobo's still in there somewhere so he probably counts.
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    I feel compelled to note that, whatever it was Lobo was carrying, it absolutely was not a Shinigami ausachi/zanpakutou. Hammering souls/Hollows into a blade might make something, but it wouldn't be one of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightDisciple View Post
    I feel compelled to note that, whatever it was Lobo was carrying, it absolutely was not a Shinigami ausachi/zanpakutou. Hammering souls/Hollows into a blade might make something, but it wouldn't be one of those.
    When we were discussing this plot, Frozen confided in me that the Sin Rostras were based on both White and the canon Assauchi and that this was always their intent.

    You're redefining of the blades basically threw a wrench into that, as I understand it.

    My handwave is that since the Sin Rostra are specifically Arrancar, which are anatomically and metaphysically more Shinigami than the hollows they once were, that Layering their soul/souls just right gives roughly the same ratio of Shinigami to Hollow as the asauchi. Combine this with their swords basically being blank slates and the swords being modified by someone with the memories and powers of one of Black Tortoise King's aprentices, and they're close enough for government work, though both you and Frozen would have to accept that compromise/handwave.

    At the very least, I'm assuming it's close enough that Souls that Shin-Tan Ubai doesn't consciously choose to consume via her abillity get purified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    When we were discussing this plot, Frozen confided in me that the Sin Rostras were based on both White and the canon Assauchi and that this was always their intent.

    You're redefining of the blades basically threw a wrench into that, as I understand it.

    My handwave is that since the Sin Rostra are specifically Arrancar, which are anatomically and metaphysically more Shinigami than the hollows they once were, that Layering their soul/souls just right gives roughly the same ratio of Shinigami to Hollow as the asauchi. Combine this with their swords basically being blank slates and the swords being modified by someone with the memories and powers of one of Black Tortoise King's aprentices, and they're close enough for government work, though both you and Frozen would have to accept that compromise/handwave.

    At the very least, I'm assuming it's close enough that Souls that Shin-Tan Ubai doesn't consciously choose to consume via her abillity get purified.
    I mean, that's....that's not really very close to how Masamune does things except in the broadest strokes? Shen Yi's education was incomplete, so this seems plausible as a thing he'd try. I'd say it could even work to produce something that is a sort of Arrancar ausachi. But this kind of distorted work wouldn't make something like what Masamune makes for Soul Society.

    And it's not like his forging methods are a surprise; that information has existed unchanged for literal out of character years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightDisciple View Post
    I mean, that's....that's not really very close to how Masamune does things except in the broadest strokes? Shen Yi's education was incomplete, so this seems plausible as a thing he'd try. I'd say it could even work to produce something that is a sort of Arrancar ausachi. But this kind of distorted work wouldn't make something like what Masamune makes for Soul Society.

    And it's not like his forging methods are a surprise; that information has existed unchanged for literal out of character years.
    I mean, the only people who have a Zanpakuto from one of these swords are Senshi--who was already an active Shinigami who has his extant Zanpakuto hollowfied using one of these swords--and Sarah whose Zanpakuto spirit was both active(just waiting for Sarah to tap into that potential to speak with her) and already hollowfied.

    It could be that "close enough for government work" only applies in cases like that.

    And while Black Tortoise King's Methods have existed for out of universe years... Have they existed longer than the Sin Rostra have?

    In my case... Honestly, it doesn't matter if they function as Asauchi in all cases. They only have to function as Asauchi in the case of Shin-Tan Ubai. "Sarah's a freaky fringe case."
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightDisciple View Post
    I feel compelled to note that, whatever it was Lobo was carrying, it absolutely was not a Shinigami ausachi/zanpakutou. Hammering souls/Hollows into a blade might make something, but it wouldn't be one of those.
    Look. I told you the Sin Rostro were spoofs of White and the Asauchi and that Shen Yi knows how to make Zanpakuto before you'd even finished making Masamune's bio.

    Yes, you (re)imagined the process of how Masamune forges Zanpakuto. Doesn't matter. Lobo's blade is a functional Asauchi because I say so. Yes, it's been years since you made Masamune and thought up the details. It's been even more years since I came up with Sin Rostro and decided on those specifics. At some point you gotta realize that 'Black Tortoise King' began as a backstory character for a number of older characters and trying to make OOC statements like "that can't be a Shinigami Asauchi" is just retroactively pissing in my cereals.

    So how about, instead of arguing about it, you just imagine the entirely unseen details of the process to fall in line with whatever you imagine Masamune does, and just accept it at face value, for once.
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    ...I'd very much appreciate it if this could remain civil and we just work out something that everyone can be happy with instead of getting snippy and aggressive with each other.
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    From : Frozen_Feet
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    Since Nicklance asked, I'll just send stuff to you in same go. Here's what's know of the Black Tortoise King:

    He is the oldest of the Royal Guard. He was supposed to join the Soul King next, but instead his place was taken by Izanagi-no-Mikoto and now the next in line is Kisaragi Saruhiko because the King is too important according to Wan Li Lin.

    He is of masculine gender.

    His element on the Taoist wheel of elemental reactions is Water.

    Sanbo Kojin and Shen Yi were both his apprentices. He sent down Kojin because she was the WEAKEST, UNTRAINED apprentice and needed to be taught a lesson in humility. Shen Yi left him because he erroneously thought the King was favoring Kojin over him and got fed up with the King's perfectionist attitude.

    He owns a big honkin' forge with a pit of hot blue flame and all manners of weapons scattered around.

    Both Kojin and Yi know his basic methods of creating Asauchi.

    Zheng Li Lin suspected the Black Tortoise King used to make Zanpakuto out of Menos. This has not been confirmed, but we know from canon that this is a thing that can be done, as it's the source of Ichigo's zanpakuto. We also know that it used to be the Royal Guard's task to deal with Menos, it's just never been told how.

    In any case, the appearance of the basic Sin Rostro as coined by me was a spoof on the appearance of humanoid Asauchi, and if you removed the mask fragments of a basic Sin Rostro, a forger of Zanpakuto would be able to realize this. Similarly, they could realize any Zanpakuto originating from a Sin Rostro could serve as an Asauchi.

    It's up to you if the other similarities between Arrancar and Shinigami Zanpakuto, as explained by Lily to Momoka, have anything to them.

    Anyways, the way I took the "layered souls" comment from canon, it doesn't refer to Shinigami souls specifically. In the Bleach setting, even inanimate objects have weak spiritual presence. However, the humanoid shape of Asauchi suggests they are made of either humans or Shinigami. What souls the Black Tortoise King is currently using is up to you.

    Lastly: Black Tortoise King and his apprentices are the only Royal Guard members who regularly contact with Soul Society, as they supply the Academy with new Asauchi. They just haven't done it yet since Soul Society was moved.


    This is from the time I was scraping together established details for KD, Dorizzit and Nicklance to use.

    I have not, at any point, changed or agreed to change the details pertaining to characters under my control. This is and has been my direct statement of authorial intent: any Zanpakuto originating from a Sin Rostro could serve as an Asauchi. The unseen details of the reforging process used by the bandaged stranger don't matter.
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    Frozen doesn’t want direct interaction between his characters and mine. I don’t have the time or emotional energy to tiptoe around the matter. Rater, let me know how you want to sort this out. I find myself just not caring at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightDisciple View Post
    Frozen doesn’t want direct interaction between his characters and mine. I don’t have the time or emotional energy to tiptoe around the matter. Rater, let me know how you want to sort this out. I find myself just not caring at this point.
    I... I honestly am not sure what you mean by "sort this out."

    Is it the sword thing? because "close enough for government work" was my best thought for reconciling your vision and Frozen's.
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    No, it's not the sword thing & I will not make further comments on the topic. If KD wants to, he can post what I wrote here.

    To wit, Rater202, I think he wants you to tell him how you'd prefer Turiel to approach his favor to Svetlana. Work it out between yourselves.
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    Well, I was going to suggest asking Turiel to take her place in the meeting with Koutarou on the grounds that she may be emotionally compromised, but...
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    Turiel meeting Koutarou is no skin off my nose, so go for it.
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    For the record, The hollow whose failed attempt at cheating death is responsible for Sarah's 'hollowness' being named "Soul-eating Devil-Queen," her potential Bankai being "Soul-eating Devil Princess," and her Zanpakuto Spirit comparing herself to Lucifer is meant to be metaphorical rather than literal.

    Her plan involving sending Sarah to Hell with the express goal of Sarah becoming strong enough to kick the ass of everything in and/or break out of Hell is a coincidence.
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    Spoiler: Ode To Meteors, By zimmerwald
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    Meteor
    You are a meteor
    Falling star
    You soar your
    Way down the air
    To the floor
    Where my other
    Rocks
    Are.

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