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Thread: Would this fly at your table?
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2016-09-12, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
I'm 99.99% certain that the market price for a unicorn horn is based on its use as a spell component. Antlers can't be used as a spell component, therefore they are not the same item and they don't have the same market value. So what is the price for the antlers? There isn't one. Go hunt the darn stag like you're supposed to!
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2016-09-12, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
To answer your question: No, it would not fly at my table. "The stag has the stats of a celestial charger" matters if it enters combat, for the duration of its being in combat. It does not mean, suggest, or even imply anything about the price or function of its body parts, whether it sheds them, or anything at all except what it's like to fight it.
By the same token, if you need an elf's blood, and you fight a human wizard whose stats are copied from a DMG template, and the original template character is an elf, guess how useful that human's blood is to you for whatever you need an elf's blood for.
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2016-09-12, 10:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
We disagree on all 3 of these accounts and the opening post is explicitly asking us for our rulings.
1) Spell component pouched hold spell components & thus are abstracted to also contain more than enough of costless components. Perhaps this verisimilitude is not used at your table, but it is at mine.
2) I see no reason there would not be treatment. Although I would presume it to be the raw product I would not presume it to be enough material for anything near a bow.
3a) Repetition of an unconvincing argument get you nowhere. My table would rule: White Stags do not have a Unicorn Horn.
3b) Even if your argument had grounding, it would result in the White Stag's unicorn horn (treated as a charger remember?) being the 190gp and the White Stag's antlers not being unicorn horn.Last edited by OldTrees1; 2016-09-12 at 10:19 PM.
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2016-09-13, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
No, that unfounded leap to calculate the price would not fly at my table.
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2016-09-13, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
So if you think bows should be 10% cheaper, make them 10% cheaper. This isn't "Archers get nice things" this is "Archers get (slightly) nice things, if they all use an obscure material from a specific plane. Also most bows are made of antlers now."
And re: the OP - no, I wouldn't. I mean, I'd allow the antler-bow, but it having the same price as a unicorn horn is pretty tortured logic, and I don't actually want antler bows to be the ubiquitous choice.
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2016-09-13, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-14, 02:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
I wouldn't allow an item of this sort to be purchased.
It has growing value (more valuable as your ability to invest increases) and I think it works great as a reward for a quest as it can stay with a character for a long time and be improved.
If I had a player who was interested and wanted to go questing to acquire one I'd be perfectly happy to allow that.
But certain items just aren't purchasable at my table (intelligent items also fall into this category, they can quest to create or find one but they can't just make one).
For the sake of argument, if it was purchasable I would disagree with the price you have calculated. The value for the unicorn horn is for use as a spell component which in my opinion is unlikely to require the same amount of material as required for an entire bow.Last edited by Chronikoce; 2016-09-14 at 02:35 AM.
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2016-09-14, 02:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
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2016-09-14, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-14, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
I'm not clear on why it matters. Stupid RAW is just that--stupid. Darkness doesn't create light and drowning won't heal anyone. I don't get why so many people on this forum treat RAW like it means authority, but in any case (and to the apparent distress of the thread-starter, I note) the thread question is would it fly at your table and the answer for most people seem to be "no."
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2016-09-14, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-14, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
If you are going by strictly RAW, it still doesn't work. The stag would have a listed price for its horn, but not for its antlers.
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2016-09-14, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would this fly at your table?
If Enveloping Pits were freely available on the market for 5K, then yeah, people would. As a relic, that's not the case, however. I'm not saying nobody would ever sell one - I assume they get stolen/looted sometimes, and there's ex-followers of Kurtulmak - they'd just sell it for something comparable to its real value.
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