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2016-10-18, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Would you accept LA+1 to get this
+2 Dex
+2 Con
+7 Natural Armor
Fly Speed 60 ft (average maneuverability)
Breath Weapon (30ft Cone of Cold) 1 every 2d4 rds
Spellcasting as 1st level Sorcerer (or +1 lvl of Sorcerer if you already have Sorcerer Levels)
Won't say where I found it (I am sure some recognize it).
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2016-10-18, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Yes, yes, and yes. No question, that's easily worth +1 LA, on almost any build.
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2016-10-18, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Of course, if I'm planning to go Sorcerer/Sorcerer-based gish. I'm guessing this is Dragonspawn or whatever from Dragonlance? I know it's based off of White Dragons.
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2016-10-18, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Just for completeness' sake: LA buy-off allowed or not?
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2016-10-18, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Yep! you got it in one.
Dragonspawn (white) from Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.222.
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Yes, sorry shoulda mentioned that .
Who cares about the Sorcerer Level, +7 Nat Armor? +2 to both Dex and Con? Flight?
Good for about any build.
Been toying around with Dragonfire Adept for the next run. Also been busily reading all the books we have as a group. Just about fell outta me chair when I found this.
As a group we have every 3.0/3.5 book except; 3.0 Psionics Handbook / 3.5 Sons of Gruumsh, Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave, Sinister Spire, City of Stormreach
Also have some third party stuff as well, which the DM takes on a case by case basis (along with Dragon Mag.Currently Playing: Aire Romaris Chaotic Good Male Half Celestial Gray Elf Duskblade 13 / Swiftblade 7 /// Elven Generallist Wizard 20
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2016-10-18, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
The only case I wouldn't take it without LA buyoff is for a non-Sorcerer caster. With LA buyoff, probably even then.
I did once, in a one-shot where the GM said "bring all your cheese!", combine it, Kobold, and some Dragon archetypes to end up casting as a Sorcerer three levels higher than my level. Good times. Not remotely balanced though.Last edited by icefractal; 2016-10-18 at 12:36 PM.
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2016-10-18, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Nah, you can get comparable things non-sorcerer-wise elsewhere. Not perfectly comparable, and the race would still be LA +!, but it wouldn't really be a worthwhile LA +1. Compare, say, a dragonborn water orc. You get better physical modifiers, albeit tuned against dexterity but towards constitution and strength even more (which is probably better), and you can pick the wings trait for some mediocre flight. You can't get the wings and breath weapon simultaneously, but I've gotta think that the breath weapon is a bit superfluous on any non-magical character (because you already have damage), and that any non-sorcerer caster is going to avoid this like the plague anyway. Is it the same as this LA +1 race? No, not exactly, because it's getting a kinda compromised or trade based version of these things. However, these versions seem to do the job well enough. And the point, then, is that you're basically giving up a level for some natural armor. And getting arguably worse stat mods (the orc gets +4 strength +4 constitution as the upsides). Which, to my mind, seems very much not worth it.
So, yeah, seems mediocre for any build that isn't a sorcerer. Seems great for a sorcerer though.
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2016-10-18, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
One thing that people often don't recognize is the value of dipping a single level of a casting class. Sure, the 1st level spells aren't terribly awesome (though they can be; even cantrips), but you also get to use class-restricted items, such as scrolls off the wizard/sorcerer's spell list.
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2016-10-18, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
With LA buy off, that looks reasonable at +2 LA, and maybe even at +3 LA.
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2016-10-18, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
None of these things are as good as an additional late level of a decent class (especially if you are already planning to multiclass). Would you rather get +7 to NA, +2 DEX, +2 CON, and crappy flight, or time stands still? Dark foresight? Cunning brilliance? Orthos? Soul chakra?
Yeah, if you're deciding between rogue 20 and rogue 19 with this template, the template is better. But if you have real class features, you might not want to mess with them.
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2016-10-18, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Dragonspawn was updated in Races of Ansalom, and it's pretty not good now, so I guess you should talk to your DM and check that.
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2016-10-18, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 01:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wasn't there some serious drawbacks such as letting a dragon no-save dominate you at any time and any distance with this template? Yes "slay the dragon" is a solution that your party can attempt to do, but how that works out depends on a bunch of factors, and you'd probably be dominated to try to prevent that.
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2016-10-18, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
White dragonspawn is a template, so you could stack it on top of your ideal base race (provided it's giant, humanoid or monstrous humanoid).
@MisterKaws: I don't see any mention of white dragonspawn in Races of Ansalon. The revised Bestiary of Krynn does have dragonspawn, but it's still very good, better than the Dragonlance Campaign Setting version. With the update, your post-template type becomes dragon, instead of monstrous humanoid, and you can now apply the template to giants.Spoiler: Collectible nice thingsMy incarnate/crusader. A self-healing crowd-control melee build (ECL 8).
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2016-10-18, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Dragonspawn (white) from Dragonlance Campaign Setting p.222. It is a Template.
Dragonspawn were turned into a race in Dragons of Krynn NOT Races of Ansalon.
DLCS is 1st Party, Dragons of Krynn is 2nd/3rd Party.
I was only asking about the template in general. In specific I am planning on a Whisper Gnome/White Dragonspawn Dragonfire Adept.Currently Playing: Aire Romaris Chaotic Good Male Half Celestial Gray Elf Duskblade 13 / Swiftblade 7 /// Elven Generallist Wizard 20
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2016-10-18, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Currently Playing: Aire Romaris Chaotic Good Male Half Celestial Gray Elf Duskblade 13 / Swiftblade 7 /// Elven Generallist Wizard 20
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2016-10-18, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 03:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've not only used this template in the past, but I'd totally use it again.
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2016-10-18, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
i would throw that on my wild shape based druid/momf/warshaper in a heartbeat at creation, especially since my dm allows LA 1 races at creation at no penalty.
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2016-10-18, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would you accept LA+1 to get this
Currently Playing: Aire Romaris Chaotic Good Male Half Celestial Gray Elf Duskblade 13 / Swiftblade 7 /// Elven Generallist Wizard 20
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2016-10-18, 06:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-10-18, 07:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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