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2006-09-27, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by kyrin
There aren't really any exclusive or original ideas on TVTropes. That's kind of the point.
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2006-09-27, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
My take on the whole speed of sound "controversy:"
Yeah, the distance of lightning is calculated as one mile for every 5 seconds until you hear the the thunder, or one mile for every 4.7306 seconds if you want to be an ******* about it.
So why did Giant have Durkon count to "Four Miss'ssippi?"
Because as kids, before we knew what the speed of sound was, before we knew that we could calculate the correct equation by setting light as instantaneous and changing the units of the speed of sound to miles per second, we were always told to count off with "Mississippi." It's recognizable to everyone, even those of us who now know better. Since the Giant never explicitly says that the thunder is causing all that sonic damage, Durkon doing Mississipi counting is the Giant's way of reminding us that thunder comes after lightning.
Ye gods. I come to the message board and find people debating physics in a comic strip! Wile E. Coyote would be appalled.
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2006-09-27, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Wonderful comic.. really :)
the best ever !!
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2006-09-27, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by KeiranHalcyon
Real wizards use staves
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2006-09-27, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Does anyone remember when Rich was talking about things moving at the "Speed of the plot"? I think that rather than debating physics here, we could just assume that the Giant allows all things to move at the speed of the plot.
And on a different note, does anyone else think that Roy is going to get to pwn both pompeii and that fiendish bi*** next strip?
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2006-09-27, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Its rather simple, people. Sound may move at 1 mile per 5 seconds but the general folklore spread, especially on the east coast, is that you count by mississippi, and its one "mississippi" per mile. That's what Rich was going by because he knew people would recognize that rather than having Durkon count to 20, which most people would have been utterly confused about.
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2006-09-27, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
I just noticed that Julia comments she wants to find someone more competant than Roy ("Shouldn't be TOO hard...").
And then found Durkon.
I think that's one goal met for the day. ;D ;D ;D~Shin-no-Nekochan, Fruchan, Nekochan, Compuscouts&&\"So open up your mind / and close your eyes\" Saiyuki&&\"I believe in love surviving death into Eternity!\" Savage Garden&&\"Here I Am / This is Me\" Bryan Adams&&\"Life is a road an\' I wanna\' keep goin\',\" Anastasia&&\"I will learn to survive!\" Duran Duran
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2006-09-27, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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First point: by making wildly inaccurate statements about the way sound waves propagate in an atmosphere (1 second per mile) the people making such statements bring the physics discussion on themselves; in a forum such as this, who could possibly expect such ignorance to go unchallenged? In short, if silly things are said on the internet, those who say them shouldn't be surprised when they're called on it.
Edit - when I was 8, I was told to divide by 4 or 5 - I never found it that tricky, really... :)
Second point: There's no reason V need have been "in on" some plan involving lightning and thunder; indeed, I took the smile to indicate a complete understanding that in the wake of such an enormous column of lightning must come a correspondingly loud crash of thunder - no more than I'd expect from a pompous windbag like V who has, historically, a well-developed understanding of science in addition to magic.
Third point: Unless there's something I'm missing in the R.A.W., casting from a scroll requires a standard action regardless of the time it'd ordinarily take to cast a spell - at least, I couldn't find an indication that spells with long cast times take longer to read from a scroll. That's a good thing, because I'm not sure V could survive 100 consecutive rounds of damage from the trees.
Fourth point: Depending on the roleplaying involved, I'd be half-inclined to allow a cleric in Durkon's position to spontaneous-channel a bunch of his spells in addition to the scroll, in order to produce a one-time, powered-up, "I haven't tossed a bolt THAT big in a while, mortal" kind of effect. Deus ex machina, perhaps, but extremely situational, appropriate to the deity involved, and not the sort of thing Thor would be inclined to grant again any time soon. It does look like he spent about 3-4 rounds (based on what we see in the comic, anyhow) casting it so perhaps that's him channeling Thor's power to enhance the scroll's effect.
I just find myself wondering whether Xykon heard that blast, and how many buildings/people survived it. :)
Fifth point: As to the speed of sound, it's unlikely to be substantially lower than normal because humans can breathe the atmosphere, and speed of sound varies as the ratio of density to stiffness and the stiffness of a gas doesn't vary all that much. By the same token, it can't be too dense or people'd get the bends walking up hills (and there'd be puddles of nitrogen). Thus, the speed and general behavior of sound in a magical environment is identical to that in ours - except where specifically counterindicated by said magic, of course. (e.g. silence, sound stops moving; message, sound teleports, and so on)Don't bother trying to appeal to my better nature; I don't have one.
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2006-09-27, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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that....was awesome :)
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2006-09-27, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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What amazes me is people seem to think that dropping in quick comments like "great comic" count as "discussing" the comic.
I like the "asymmetical runt" comment, due to the half-elf only having one elf ear. It's a subtle joke but good for a chortle.
Didn't care for the "boobs" joke, but the follow-up line about "works with my teachers" was good. And I like how she assumes Durkon is gay cause his concentration check held against her breast attempt at getting his attention.
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2006-09-27, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Fangthane~Shin-no-Nekochan, Fruchan, Nekochan, Compuscouts&&\"So open up your mind / and close your eyes\" Saiyuki&&\"I believe in love surviving death into Eternity!\" Savage Garden&&\"Here I Am / This is Me\" Bryan Adams&&\"Life is a road an\' I wanna\' keep goin\',\" Anastasia&&\"I will learn to survive!\" Duran Duran
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2006-09-27, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Rules as Written. It's a term used meaning as the Good Book is literally, rather than as the DM interprets or as people commonly play.
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2006-09-27, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Fangthane
thanx to Abardam for these fantastic Erfworldstyle sigatars
For the awesome 'The Wolf'-sigatar I thank Sampi.
Kd7sov, thank you for the Girl Genius, Agatha Heterodyne avatar
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2006-09-27, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by battleburn
People don't seem to be able to imagine a world where the laws of physics don't apply. It's just too different of a concept for them to process.
People prefer to think of a fantasy environment as being a place where magic can be used to defy the laws of physics. So, unless a spell clearly and specifically says othewise, the laws of physics apply.
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2006-09-27, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Fangthane
Never mind. The ignorant just read the answer a few posts above. :-[Why is abbreviation such a long word?
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2006-09-27, 06:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by battleburnDon't bother trying to appeal to my better nature; I don't have one.
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2006-09-27, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's a reason the boom did a ton of damage that completely falls in line with DnD and source materials: House rules!
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2006-09-27, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Originally Posted by Fangthane
(I also don't think "evil intelligent creatures vastly outnumber good intelligent creatures" is anywhere near as much of a given as you claim.)Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2006-09-27, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
Enough of this Speed of Sound debate..... or even the Speed of Light........
New topic: What's the Speed of Dark? ;)What is this? Corn?? What kind of a dragon eats corn?!?
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2006-09-27, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #352 - The Discussion Thread
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