Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them...

[FdL]

Actually, this whole topic of conversation reminds me of one of my literature classes in college. They said there are only 6 (?) plots and every story is some derivation of one of them.

Well, for some it can be reduced to that, yeah. I think I read it too...Something to do with russian formalists, IIRC?

[Saithis Bladewing]

I could add "Decepti" to a bunch of Deceptiwords. Would that be a big Deceptihelp?

Only if you bust some Deceptichops while you're at it. Not Starscream's though, he's too sexay.

On a completely unrelated note: Chimps rule.

[Cyrano]

Only if you bust some Deceptichops while you're at it. Not Starscream's though, he's too sexay.

On a completely unrelated note: Chimps rule.

Your Deceptiwish is my command, great DeceptiBladewing (that should be a class of robot). Unfortunately, a routine DeciptiGoogle search did not reveal melee Decepticombat, but I WILL FIND A DECEPTIWAY!

[Sisqui]

Well, for some it can be reduced to that, yeah. I think I read it too...Something to do with russian formalists, IIRC?

Not sure. Two of the basic stories were the Cinderella story and the Star Wars story. Woman becoming a princess through marriage, man becoming a warrior/king through combat.

EDIT: And a third, I think, is the lovers, a la Lancelot/Guinevere......

[Midnight Son]

Well darn! I seem to have missed most of the debate on Harry Potter. I'd just like to add a couple CP to the discussion and say, "The Wizard of Oz." I loved those books as a kid. They got me started in reading and I've never looked back.

[Dispozition]

Bloopity bloopity blah...

Just wondering, does anyone think it's entirely healthy to only get about 3-5 hours sleep every night? I just...I really can't tell...

[Madmal]

*Takes a break at HP page 80*

Bloopity bloopity blah...

Just wondering, does anyone think it's entirely healthy to only get about 3-5 hours sleep every night? I just...I really can't tell...

no, it's not, i spend two consecutive days with only 3 hours of sleep...i was grumpier than usual, uncaring, and i catched a quite severe cold and gor wounds on my mouth....

and about the HP, i dunno about the rest, but i'm taking my time, it's the british version, and all the vocabulary it has..fascinating...

[Ego Slayer]

Dis, gods no, it's not healthy. Maybe once in awhile, but not every night. Bad, bad, bad... I can't even have a decent day on six hours... Seriously, you should get like eight.

[Rawhide]

Bloopity bloopity blah...

Just wondering, does anyone think it's entirely healthy to only get about 3-5 hours sleep every night? I just...I really can't tell...

No, its not healthy. You should be getting 7-8 hours sleep.

[Sean92k]

Its not healthy but I do it aswell so I'm in no place to judge

[Sisqui]

Actually, I think the general medical consensus is that teens need 8.5-9 hours of sleep. They are, of course, chronically sleep deprived, which some experts think may account for some of their grumpiness/moodiness.

[Saithis Bladewing]

I get about 5-6 hours of sleep, on average. Can't sleep a wink longer.

[Dispozition]

7-8...what the firetruck...the means going to bed at like...11pm...

I really can't say it's having much of an affect on me...I've been doing it for around...2 months now...Maybe a little more...

I should really stop...I do feel a little crazy...

[Xykon_Fan]

!8-7 ta pu ekaw dna emit a ta skeew rof 2 ta deb ot og I ?!?hguone ton s'taht kniht uoy dna .srh 8-7 gnitteg er'uoY

[EmeraldRose]

I remember reading somewhere that even into the late teenage years, the amount of sleep needed is somewhere closer to 10 or 11 hours a night. So, for those of you needing an excuse for the weekends, go look that up online...

Younger kids need more into the 12 or more hour range.

EDIT: School-aged kids and adolescents need at least 9 hours of sleep a night.

[bosssmiley]

Actually, this whole topic of conversation reminds me of one of my literature classes in college. They said there are only 6 (?) plots and every story is some derivation of one of them.

Some schools of thought say all literature is variations on a theme of one story (the so-called mono-myth), some say seven...

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1. Overcoming the monster, e.g. Beowulf,
2. Rags to riches, e.g. Cinderella
3. The quest, e.g. Raiders of the Lost Ark
4. Voyage and return, e.g. The Odyssey
5. Comedy, e.g. The Marriage of Figaro
6. Tragedy, e.g. Macbeth
7. Rebirth, e.g. Sleeping Beauty

...others argue for 36

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1. Supplication - Persecutor, Suppliant, a Power in Authority
2. Deliverance - Unfortunates, Threatener, Rescuer
3. Revenge - Avenger, Criminal
4. Vengeance by Family upon Family - Avenging Kinsman, Guilty Kinsman, Relative
5. Pursuit - Fugitive from Punishment, Pursuer
6. Victim of Cruelty or Misfortune - Unfortunates, Master or Unlucky Person
7. Disaster - Vanquished Power, Victorious Power or Messenger
8. Revolt - Tyrant, Conspirator(s)
9. Daring Enterprise - Bold Leader, Goal, Adversary
10. Abduction - Abductor, Abducted, Guardian
11. Enigma - Interrogator, Seeker, Problem
12. Obtaining - Two or more Opposing Parties, Object, maybe an Arbitrator
13. Familial Hatred - Two Family Members who hate each other
14. Familial Rivalry - Preferred Kinsman, Rejected Kinsman, Object
15. Murderous Adultery - Two Adulterers, the Betrayed
16. Madness - Madman, Victim
17. Fatal Imprudence - Imprudent person, Victim or lost object
18. Involuntary Crimes of Love - Lover, Beloved, Revealer
19. Kinsman Kills Unrecognised Kinsman - Killer, Unrecognised Victim, Revealer
20. Self Sacrifice for an Ideal - Hero, Ideal, Person or Thing Sacrificed
21. Self Sacrifice for Kindred - Hero, Kinsman, Person or Thing Sacrificed
22. All Sacrificed for Passion - Lover, Object of Passion, Person or Thing Sacrificed
23. Sacrifice of Loved Ones - Hero, Beloved Victim, Need for Sacrifice
24. Rivalry Between Superior and Inferior - Superior, Inferior, Object
25. Adultery - Deceived Spouse, Two Adulterers
26. Crimes of Love - Lover, Beloved, theme of Dissolution
27. Discovery of Dishonor of a Loved One - Discoverer, Guilty One
28. Obstacles to Love - Two Lovers, Obstacle
29. An Enemy Loved - Beloved Enemy, Lover, Hater
30. Ambition - An Ambitious Person, Coveted Thing, Adversary
31. Conflict with a God - Mortal, Immortal
32. Mistaken Jealousy - Jealous One, Object of Jealousy, Supposed Accomplice, Author of Mistake
33. Faulty Judgment - Mistaken One, Victim of Mistake, Author of Mistake, Guilty Person
34. Remorse - Culprit, Victim, Interrogator
35. Recovery of a Lost One - Seeker, One Found
36. Loss of Loved Ones - Kinsman Slain, Kinsman Witness, Executioner

I suppose it comes down to how general or specific you consider a given plot archetype. I've used random combinations of the 36 plots list as idea mines for RPG scenarios for years now.

Oh wow, that was even on-topic given the thread title. Errr...is on-topic posting actually allowed in RB, or must Egg be beaten in the head with a spoon now?

As for sleep, less than 10 hours a night is unhealthy! Less than 8 begs visitations of psychosis before too long. I could sleep for Britain though (probably have hibernating animals in my family tree or something)...

[Nomrom]

Well, I appear to have missed most of the Harry Potter debate, because I was too busy reading the book. So you can tell where I stand on that subject. Also, I average four hours of sleep a night, and I have no problems that I can tell. My friends tell me that's not healthy, and one of them seriously tried to get me to see a doctor to see if I have insomnia, but I'm fine. Some people just need less sleep, I think. So if you feel fine on 3-5 every night, that's all you need, I'd say. If you're always tired though, then you need of course need to be getting more sleep.

[Syka]

I have a feeling it's like low-blood pressure, unless you are exhibiting adverse symptoms you are probably fine. I know I have to sleep between 8 and a half to 10 hours, or less than 3 in order to be awake. Anywhere in between 3 and 8 or more than 10 and I wind up exhausted.

Cheers,
Syka

[Logic]

I am working a 5 out of every 6 days, at 12 hours each day. I get on average 6-7 hours of sleep each night. It doesn't seem to bother me.

Granted, when I am home, I get more like 7-9, and work quite a bit less, but 6 is about right for me.

[Hephaestus]

Solid 7 hours. Usually need 8-10 though if I walk more then 6 miles that day, which occurs quite often.

[Penguinizer]

Meh, I get around 9 hours or more a night. But I'm always tired :/

I just can't get sleep early enough.

[Hell Puppi]

Either less than 3 hours oe 8+ hours.

Then again at three or more days of less than 3 hours a night my sense of reality and dreams gets a little blurred.

[Penguinizer]

Hmm, I finally got around to listening to that Blind Guardian CD I bought yesterday. It is great.

[Ceska]

7-8...what the firetruck...the means going to bed at like...11pm...

To me it means sleeping from 4 - 6 PM most of the time. I simply need my sleep after school and most could tell I'm either just tired or extremely grumpy.

[DarkLightDragon]

HYPERHYPERHYPERHYPERHYPERHYPER! POPCORN! DIET COKE! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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I just saw the Transformers movie. Again

[Death, your friend the Reaper]

Seriously, you should get like eight.

Yeah, I need 8 hours sleep per day, and at least 12 at night.

EDIT: I think I clicked submit rely I bit late, a lot of other people seemed to have posted since... *curse the devouring of dinner*

[Mr. Moon]

HYPERHYPERHYPERHYPERHYPERHYPER! POPCORN! DIET COKE! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

...

I just saw the Transformers movie. Again

No! Bad dragon! No! *whaps with rolled up newspaper*

Eight hours of sleep? Bah, that's for people without Jetlag.

[EmeraldRose]

Heh...obviously the amount of sleep needed will depend on the person, as well age, and variables such as stress or other things going on in life. Children and adolescents need more sleep, and adults need an average of about 8 to 8.5 hours. Or so the article said.

Some people need less, some people need more...it depends.

These days I feel like I can never get enough sleep...

[Sisqui]

These days I feel like I can never get enough sleep...

Of course not. You're a MOM!!

[Penguinizer]

Heh, In the mornings, I'm tired. At day, I'm "Meh...", at night, I can't sleep >.<...

And no, I do not consume caffeinated beverages that often. I do tend to get 8-10 hours of sleep. Except in special occasions.