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2016-11-25, 05:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-25, 06:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
Tame i tell Shane McMahon holy word to sih face very day match bastard!
I think the "half a dozen different comedies based on the wacky hijinks" and "serious guy trying to do good but keep messing it up", as well as "dark movie about power corruption" were all pretty well perfected with'Groundhog Day', despite it not even being a reality control/ultimate power/learn to live in the present film, it still did all those things about as well as they can be done. Click has to tell a different story, right?Last edited by JustSomeGuy; 2016-11-25 at 06:11 AM.
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2016-11-25, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
This is the thing, I think those who insist that wrestling isn't real don't appreciate that it isn't meant to be real. I appreciate professional wrestlers as performers and physical athletes, I sure as heck couldn't do that.
Actually, part of the reason Kamen Rider is still enjoyable to me is that it's a new series every year. It allows each series to be a self contained story that can properly conclude each year, while allowing continuity to still be acknowledged if the writers want to. It also avoids the problem that last year's super form must be rendered useless for the new villains to actually be threatening.
Now my favourite Kamen Rider series, Amazons, is getting a direct sequel, but they didn't have the problem of the super form (and I'm not 100% sure Jin and Haruka are going to be major characters in the second series), and was also significantly shorter. Just because the show uses a different model than 'one story for 27 series does not make bad'.
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2016-11-25, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
The thing is, they are not supposed to be "real" as in, they are highly trained to not be hurt doing that stuff. Every move they make is a couple inches of positioning away from being a potentially lethal move. Shane is A) Not highly trained as a wrestler or in shape to be such, and B) kept fighting in the rare exceptions to a standard match where getting hurt is practically expected, as even with knowledge of the right way to fall, a 12 foot drop to concrete is going to leave a mark. I personally think it was all a plot by stephanie to make sure she inherited it all when dad retires.
Anyways, back to how real the moves are. When done correctly, none of the standard moves will injure you. Thats the majority of their training, learning to perform moves that could easily murder people without hurting them or getting hurt by them. And the other half is learning how to sell those moves so the audience thinks that big slap across your chest actually is capable of hurling you backwards through sheer kinetic energy and isnt just a loud noise. All that said, yes there are times when no amount of training will keep the moves from hurting you.
At that point the training is to avoid being crippled or killed by them. Mankind being hurled off the top of the hell in a cell ring being the most famous example probably. He got badly injured not by the move itself though, but because he landed wrong. He didnt hit the announcers table squarely so that it would collapse and absorb some of that tremendous impact. It STILL would have hurt like crazy, but he probably wouldnt have left the match with broken ribs, a dislocated shoulder and a frigging TOOTH stabbing out through his NOSE."Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
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2016-11-25, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
The thing is, I liked Pacific Rim DESPITE of what it is; It is heavily inspired by Japanese pop culture, obviously, and as a general rule I am severe allergic to (modern-ish) Japanese pop culture. My brain is just not compatible with it.
Let's put it this way: I prefer the last American Godzilla ("Worm Guy!") over the newest one.Blizzard Battletag: UnderDog#21677
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2016-11-25, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh, Bay's transformers is pretty juvenile. Having a budget doesn't really make it transformationally different. Super Sentai just doesn't take itself as seriously as Bay does, yet I'd wager it occasionally punches above the adolescent sex and piss jokes in Bay's tetralogy, not to mention the bland aggressive nationalism. Lord knows the cartoons certainly had more mature themes than the films. Although considering what the trailer to Kamen Rider: The Next looked like after quick google, I guess Bay might be a natural fit for the series.
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2016-11-25, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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The First and The Next, as well as Amazons, are specifically meant to be a more adult take on the genre. The First and Amazons are actually well above Bay standards in that they have actual emotion in them, I haven't seen The Next. But for the main series, it can be surprising mature (I personally love how Drive handled the Roidmudes, especially at the end), but at the end of the day it's still aimed at kids (which is why the hero of Ex-Aid is my least favourite of this year's riders). The violence in the main series is actually rather cartoony by comparison to the 'adult' entries.
The thing with Kamen Rider is, it can tell a surprisingly mature story rather well, and at it's best it's much more grounded and serious than Bay's films are. It certainly rarely takes itself as seriously as bay does, especially these days (back in the Kuuga-Blade era they were rather serious).
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2016-11-25, 11:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I thought it was basically received wisdom that Adam Sandler peaked with Punch-Drunk Love. I thought Anger Management was alright, too, though nothing at all special. Still, expectations for an Adam Sandler film these days have to be pretty low.
I haven't actually seen either of the films in question: Pacific Rim because it didn't really interest me enough to bother - and the hype I got about it from my internet contacts actually put me off - and Grown-Ups 2 because I know better.
But there is a difference between "outperformed" and "flopped", too, and treating Pacific Rim as the latter is silly. Comedies don't travel well so they have to make almost all their money domestically; action films meanwhile, and while there's some jiggery-pokery to do with global gross not translating as obviously into profit as it seems it should - are much easier to market overseas and this will be built into the production's expectations.
Besides, the year before that we had a genuine sci-fi flop in John Carter. That a "sci-fi" film didn't storm the box office the following year shouldn't have come as a surprise.GITP Blood Bowl Manager Cup
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2016-11-27, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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So this thread has inspired me to watch Grownups and Grownups 2 again. The first one is actually a lot worse than I remembered, but the second one still holds up and I stand by my statement that it is far better than Pacific Rim.
But, to be fair, I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and watch it again. Maybe it will be better on DVD where I don't have the risk of burned out projector bulbs.Looking for feedback on Heart of Darkness, a character driven RPG of Gothic fantasy.
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2016-11-27, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-27, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-28, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
Whoever ran John Carter's ad campaign needs to be thrown into the same festering hole with the guy who bungled the advertising for DREDD.
Such a travesty.
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2016-11-28, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I mean the guy gave us Walle and Finding Nemo. He's not all bad. Just super ignorant about directing action films and too in love with his childhood memories of Burrough's work to understand John Carter isn't some icon of the landscape like Sherlock Holmes or Dracula.
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2016-11-28, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think you are correct with John Carter analysis. I had heard of Burroughs Barsoom series, but didn't know John Carter was the name of the protagonist. When I heard about John Carter from Mars there was absolutely no connection for me. John Carter from Mars! Why do I want to see that? Burroughs Barsoom series, yes I would have went to see that. It wasn't until it was out of theaters that I learned who John Carter was.
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2016-11-28, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-29, 12:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
Oh god that NAME! All I could think of was this Warning nsfw. Its an al pacino rant.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2016-11-29, 12:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
Note that the complaints are about the marketing, not the direction. I haven't seen the film so I don't know whether there were any issues with the film itself, but, like Dredd, the marketing and release were botched so badly that even a great film would have struggled.
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2016-11-29, 01:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-29, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How did a crappy comedy movie beat a sci fi action movie at the American box offi
I didn't know what John Carter was either even as I was going to see it in theaters after a warm review I saw of it on television.
... and my sitting here for five minutes thinking of something to say about it pretty much says everything you need to know.
Actually, it really puts Disney's ambitions with Star Wars in perspective.
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2016-11-29, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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