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    We're past the two non-movie arcs with the next arc announced. We've had a Universal Tournament and a Future Trunks arc. A LOT of fanservice all around, but overall I like it. I love Trunks's Super Saiyan Blue False form and that Goku has not yet won a major fight in the series. That's funny to me, he's won against Pooh Bear (Botamo) and two inconsequential sparring sessions.
    And we got a tease at the end of a possible return of the fighting Gohan. Maybe he'll unlock Super Saiyan Blue false, or just use divine ki with his Mystic form.
    Can't wait to see Hit again. I just overall like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indarra View Post
    We're past the two non-movie arcs with the next arc announced. We've had a Universal Tournament and a Future Trunks arc. A LOT of fanservice all around, but overall I like it. I love Trunks's Super Saiyan Blue False form and that Goku has not yet won a major fight in the series. That's funny to me, he's won against Pooh Bear (Botamo) and two inconsequential sparring sessions.
    And we got a tease at the end of a possible return of the fighting Gohan. Maybe he'll unlock Super Saiyan Blue false, or just use divine ki with his Mystic form.
    Can't wait to see Hit again. I just overall like this.
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    The show was awful until the future Trunks arc. That particular arc was excellent most of the way through...however, the ending of the Future Trunks arc was one of the worst handled things in any anime ever.

    Honestly, I'm a huge Dragonball fan, but this show just isn't very good.

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    Super is awesome. we're getting a lot expanded upon, we're getting character development for a lot of people not named Goku, and future Trunks finally getting a big win (heck ANYONE OTHER THAN GOKU getting a win) is something that should've happened for a long time, as well as expanding upon the godly structure of the universe. the fights themselves make more sense and don't drag out as much

    Sure the Potara earrings being retconned will really mess with a lot of OC's people probably make, but they will probably just find a way to rewrite those to make them work anyways like suddenly revealing hidden Shin DNA or modifying the Potara Earrings themselves to be permanent for everyone, or something. while Zamasu is a perfect example of how powerful the Kais can actually be if they ever decided to go mad with power, using resources that all Kais have.

    and overall, I like how its at the point where its pointing out the more one punch man/world of cardboard nature of Dragon Ball's current level of power. the characters are at the point where they must start better controlling their ki before it destroys everything, meaning their power has consequences beyond the fight itself and they must be careful about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    The show was awful until the future Trunks arc. That particular arc was excellent most of the way through...however, the ending of the Future Trunks arc was one of the worst handled things in any anime ever.

    Honestly, I'm a huge Dragonball fan, but this show just isn't very good.
    I'unno, I liked the Champa saga and the Future Trunks arc was great.

    Gotta ask, cause I've seen this quite a bit, why was the ending mishandled?
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    Trunks uses a Genki-dama blade when he never learned the Genki-dama.
    Also Vegito was promised to the fans and they wanted more than five minutes of him. This... Didn't happen.
    But Vegita called himself the Saiyan Prince for the first time since the Buu arc, and that scene was exceptional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indarra View Post
    Trunks uses a Genki-dama blade when he never learned the Genki-dama.
    Also Vegito was promised to the fans and they wanted more than five minutes of him. This... Didn't happen.
    But Vegita called himself the Saiyan Prince for the first time since the Buu arc, and that scene was exceptional.
    Liked the spirit sword. It was a nicely emotional scene. Didn't think it needed some training arc just for him to have the spirits of a world about to die to join with him and help out.

    Having a time limit for Vegito opens up the character for use later on in the series, where without the timelimit it would be difficult to fit him in the story.

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    I don't know if people were upset about the time limit of an hour so much as the time limit becoming like six minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indarra View Post
    I don't know if people were upset about the time limit of an hour so much as the time limit becoming like six minutes.
    *shrug* its a well-established fact since the Buu Saga that transformations while fused shorten the time that the fusion lasts due to using more energy. Gotenks has demonstrated it more than once. Super is just being consistent to that. If people have problems with that, then they just plain have problems with powers making sense with their limitations when you start pushing those limits.

    Again, the most problems that the Potara Retcon does is make Vegitto fans mad that he got nerfed, and make some people have to rewrite perma-fused OC backstories a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    *shrug* its a well-established fact since the Buu Saga that transformations while fused shorten the time that the fusion lasts due to using more energy. Gotenks has demonstrated it more than once. Super is just being consistent to that. If people have problems with that, then they just plain have problems with powers making sense with their limitations when you start pushing those limits.

    Again, the most problems that the Potara Retcon does is make Vegitto fans mad that he got nerfed, and make some people have to rewrite perma-fused OC backstories a little.
    Exactly, and everyone had to know that the Potara fusion couldn't be permanent. Unless they expected Vegito to become the new main character of the series. By adding a time limit the form became subject to the same rules all other super forms were subject to. That being, additional transformations drain power and end them faster.

    Vegito= One hour SSjBlue Vegito= half hour SSjBlue expending all of his energy into a big attack = Times up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devonix View Post
    Exactly, and everyone had to know that the Potara fusion couldn't be permanent. Unless they expected Vegito to become the new main character of the series. By adding a time limit the form became subject to the same rules all other super forms were subject to. That being, additional transformations drain power and end them faster.

    Vegito= One hour SSjBlue Vegito= half hour SSjBlue expending all of his energy into a big attack = Times up.
    Personally I would've gone with Zamasu learned of a way to defuse Vegito that took sometime to work to allow screen time with Vegito fighting, if they wanted to keep Vegito non permanente.
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    Personally I would've gone with Zamasu learned of a way to defuse Vegito that took sometime to work to allow screen time with Vegito fighting, if they wanted to keep Vegito non permanente.
    Yeah but then you'd still be stuck with the problem of Vegito being someone they can't use anymore in the series. Since the next time they use him they'd have to come up with another reason for him to Defuse.

    Vegito's defused every time he's shown up, and now we have a reason. So it will make sense to people when he defuses next time. Because we all know he's going to be showing up again.

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    I'unno, I liked the Champa saga and the Future Trunks arc was great.

    Gotta ask, cause I've seen this quite a bit, why was the ending mishandled?
    I'm not gonna bother with spoilers here since the thread is already full of them.

    I don't care that Vegetto being permanent got ret-conned, or that Trunks knows the spirit bomb (seriously, Gohan trained him, and Gohan has seen it plenty of times). What bothers me is the pacing and the direction of the plot itself.

    They finally defeat Zamasu, and then he's suddenly a cloud thing with no explanation, and way more powerful than before. They spent 10 episodes building up all these characters in Trunks' world, and then killed them off panel forever with barely a mention. There's no consequence to these deaths either because the cast goes to the past and we immediately segue into Goku and Vegeta laughing with their families, and stupid gags about the Omni king. Trunks being upset about everyone he knows and loves dying gets like 15 seconds of screen time, and then he decides to go live with a copy of everyone he let die for no compelling reason.

    I can understand wanting to have an arc end on a darker tone, but the way they handled it completely subverted any weight or impact of what they were going for. They may as well have just turned everyone into tang for all the sense it made.

    Plus, there was literally no reason for the entire arc to exist. Trunks could have literally just taken the time machine to some random timeline and never fought Zamasu at all and the ending would be exactly the same. The entire thing was completely pointless.
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    Well now Trunks is powerful enough to participate in the Omniversal tournament.
    I'm hoping Vegeta will defeat Hit. Him or Gohan, though Gohan will need at least a few episodes of catch-up.

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    Didn't we have a thread for this already?

    Eh, I'm mostly fine with the new show... But there are just some issues with the latest arc I can't get over... like Trunks being anywhere close to SSJ Blue levels in power.. He didn't even get anywhere around Perfect Cell last time we checked. Maybe he kept working on it but... And I don't so much mind him using a Genkidama Sword, I mind a Genkidama that should be clearly weaker than the one used against Buu defeating Zamasu. Just... HOW?!
    Now, I know, we really shouldn't think too much about power levels and how a SSJ Blue Vegito should crush the planet by stepping on it but I can't help being bothered by it.

    Though, overall the last arc was fun enough, even if the ending was a bit strange. (And nobody gave us Beerus vs Zamasu. ****s.

    Latest episode... I like it when they insert funny episodes like this but... this one seemed a bit too silly at times. So... Bulma is paying for Roshi's hookers? Er, escorts, I guess. Why do you even care? Tell the guy to go become a decent person
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    Re: Episode 69

    What the HFIL did I just watch?
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    What the HFIL did I just watch?
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    Arale was constructed, more or less because the doctor could make her. She is quite simply his greatest creation, with super human speed and strength, a genius intellect, and low level reality warping abilities--or, in other words, she runs on toon physics. This is in addition to being ridiculously powerful.

    Doctor Slump kinda sorta shares a world with Dragon Ball, and towards the End of the General Blue Saga in the Red Ribbon Army Arc, Goku and general Blue found their way into Penguin Village and meeting with Arale and her cast.(General Blue freaks out at how weird everything is--"That poop has a face!")

    This crossover ended with Arale helping Goku defeat General Blue and showing her as being much stronger than Goku was at the time, and Goku said, before leaving to continue his adventure, that when he was as strong as she was, he'd come back and they'd fight for fun.

    You just watched that dangling plot thread finally get resolved after being left hanging back in the 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    You just watched that dangling plot thread finally get resolved after being left hanging back in the 80s.
    I actually give the creators credit for that...

    I liked the episode. I liked how Vegeta apparently has developed genre awareness, or how really nothing in this episode was to be taken serious. Just like Slump.
    I kind of expected there to be a huge amount of food to be created but I guess this works too (?). Too bad they... just made poop.... (who the **** has a great desire for that?)

    Also: So, was it intentional there were like five journalists and twenty guests in general for the award to the greatest scientist of the year? Or budget restraints?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devonix View Post
    Yeah but then you'd still be stuck with the problem of Vegito being someone they can't use anymore in the series. Since the next time they use him they'd have to come up with another reason for him to Defuse.

    Vegito's defused every time he's shown up, and now we have a reason. So it will make sense to people when he defuses next time. Because we all know he's going to be showing up again.
    Not true they would only need to learn the technique to unfuse, after that can fuse ro become Vegito whenever they wish.
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    Not true they would only need to learn the technique to unfuse, after that can fuse ro become Vegito whenever they wish.
    It would make it too easy and remove the tension. It's why at least for me, the various super forms got boring once all of the drawbacks got removed. Such as SSBlue having no drawbacks. The old SS form not burning through power. It's why I'm glad Kaio Ken got brought back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devonix View Post
    It would make it too easy and remove the tension. It's why at least for me, the various super forms got boring once all of the drawbacks got removed. Such as SSBlue having no drawbacks. The old SS form not burning through power. It's why I'm glad Kaio Ken got brought back.
    If it makes you feel better, the Manga says that he Blue transformation takes an enormous amount of energy and the only reason Vegeta lost to Hitt was because he already went Blue against Cabba and only had about 10% of his power left in the tank.

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    If it makes you feel better, the Manga says that he Blue transformation takes an enormous amount of energy and the only reason Vegeta lost to Hitt was because he already went Blue against Cabba and only had about 10% of his power left in the tank.
    Yeah, it takes a lot of power to turn off and on. The form itself is energy efficient but the activation and deactivation isn't.

    While Fission.....technically they would just need to ask Piccolo how to do that. Kami was the one who did the Fission technique that created Piccolo after all. Since Piccolo fused with Kami....he technically IS Kami and knows how to do that. He just apparently likes the way he is now.
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    I think TFS wrote Yamcha's parts in the baseball episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    Yeah, it takes a lot of power to turn off and on. The form itself is energy efficient but the activation and deactivation isn't.
    That really doesn't add up with most of the action scenes in the next arc in which Getes and Goku use Blue multiple times to similar effects.

    Including what I think are the most hilarious moments of this most recent episode, in which Goku went Super Saiyan Blue to play baseball... and then Vegeta did, too. Honestly those transformation moments were the most hilarious parts of Dragon Ball Super yet to me. Felt a little bit like a LittleKurriboh moment.

    "I'm going to have to go at my max power to defeat you at a children's card game" type thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mato View Post
    I think TFS wrote Yamcha's parts in the baseball episode.
    Judging by MasakoX's reaction in his review? No they didn't, because he was squeeing about it the entire time that Yamcha Finally Gets To Do A Thing.
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    I have to say that this Baseball episode was a breath of fresh air. After how awful the 4 or so episodes preceding it were I was ready to drop the series, but this episode was fantastic.

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    So, I heard from a buddy who pays attention to these kinds of things, that Toonami(Adult Swim specifically) is going to start airing an English Dubbed version of DBS starting this upcoming January. Has anyone else heard anything about this? I'm really, really hoping it's true, very much looking forward to it :)

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    I enjoyed the baseball episode, especially the callback to Yamcha's death at the end there, which made me laugh out loud. But the animation was just...terrible. I've noticed it's quality seems to fluctuate wildly these days, sometimes even within the same scene. It's very jarring. It would be one thing if this was some minor, indie series with little budget. But this is a Dragonball series. You'd think the animation quality would be higher overall.

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    I haven't watch dbs, but it's more common than you thought. Basically, even AAA show outsource their animation (mostly in-betweener, that is the 22 frames between the first and last frames in a second) to outside studio, and often overseas. They only use their expensive in-house studio on important or eye-catching episodes. That's why it's common to even shows like Gundam to have badly drawn episodes even now. This is the commonly used setup, and studio who don't use this system is the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    If it makes you feel better, the Manga says that he Blue transformation takes an enormous amount of energy and the only reason Vegeta lost to Hitt was because he already went Blue against Cabba and only had about 10% of his power left in the tank.
    The manga is very wrong then about Vegeta being able to defeat Hit. Vegeta has nothing comparable to Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x10 in his arsenal (and if he does, its likely very lethal to his enemy) and Hit was still beating Goku by the end of that fight despite being limited to non-lethal techniques.
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