Page 10 of 20 FirstFirst 12345678910111213141516171819 ... LastLast
Results 271 to 300 of 592
  1. - Top - End - #271
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Mar 2014

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Has anyone else had issues with pathfinding in Tactical View? Every now and then a party member gets stuck for no apparent reason and I have to exit Tactical View and make them jump in order to get them unstuck.

  2. - Top - End - #272
    Titan in the Playground
     
    AssassinGuy

    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by VoxRationis View Post
    Has anyone else had issues with pathfinding in Tactical View? Every now and then a party member gets stuck for no apparent reason and I have to exit Tactical View and make them jump in order to get them unstuck.
    That happens to me too in all views. I think it might be related to having trials enabled, but I'm not sure.
    “Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”

  3. - Top - End - #273
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Squark's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    So, after losing interest sometime after the game was released, I thought I'd come back to inquisition and try again. I picked up the Game of the Year edition since it was cheaper than buying all the DLC, but I noticed that Tresspasser added a number of new features, and I'm a tad confused as to how they work.
    Steam ID: The Great Squark
    3ds Friend Code: 4571-1588-1000

    Currently Playing: Star Wars: X-wing Miniatures, Star Wars: Armada, Pokémon Y & α Sapphire

  4. - Top - End - #274
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Lost in the Hinterlands
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    If you go under Options, you'll see a list of Trials you can enable. They're pretty self-explanatory. Take it Slow halves your XP, Walk Softly turns the occasional regular enemy into an Elite with new abilities, Fairweather Friends doubles disapproval, etc.

    If you play the game with a Trial enabled, every once in a while you'll get a special reward (a new piece of equipment, some gemstones, etc.)

    Sigils are also pretty self-explanatory: you stick them on arms and armour and they provide benefits and disadvantages. You find them as treasure.
    Last edited by Giggling Ghast; 2017-02-11 at 02:29 PM.

  5. - Top - End - #275
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    TheTeaMustFlow's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Perfidious Albion

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I'd rather not go through the threads for fear of spoilers. I've finally got around to playing DAI, and I'm currently
    Spoiler: Probably not much of a spoiler but you can't be too careful
    Show
    clearing out the Hinterlands, and I've got a mission to go to Val Royeaux.
    Is there any compelling (gameplay) reason why I should or should not do so? I've got the impression that continuing with the main quest is the way to unlock more stuff like specialisations, companions and such, but I'm worried about locking out stuff I should be doing now or being forced into making poor choices. The game seems to be encouraging me to continue the main quest, but the hints in previous Bioware games have often proved to be misleading, e.g.
    Spoiler: Moderate Origins spoiler
    Show
    The first game encouraging you to go to Redcliffe first when there are several good reasons not to do that.
    Last edited by TheTeaMustFlow; 2017-02-11 at 11:34 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby Frost
    `This is just the beginning, Citizens! Today we have boiled a pot who's steam shall be seen across the entire galaxy. The Tea Must Flow, and it shall! The banner of the British Space Empire will be unfurled across a thousand worlds, carried forth by the citizens of Urn, and before them the Tea shall flow like a steaming brown river of shi-*cough*- shimmering moral fibre!`

  6. - Top - End - #276
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Morty's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Poland
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Inarius View Post
    Yeah, that slipped my mind while I was trying to think of what they did well outside of crowd control. Honestly Id be for a bit more diversification of the non mage classes like expanding on warriors support abilities and giving rogues some crowd control.

    On top of that it'd be nice if they split mages up into close quarters and ranged classes. That would probably help make things like the KE feel more like they were designed for melee than they currently do. The array upgrades were nice in making KEs feel like they were melee characters, but other than spirit blade there isn't really a need for them to be in melee range especially post nerf.
    I'd rather see them split into control mages and support mages, like mage enemies are split. But in general, I agree. Warriors and rogues should be folded together and split again in a less arbitrary manner.

    Quote Originally Posted by VoxRationis View Post
    I dunno about templars being lackluster... Cassandra became infinitely more useful to me when I learned Spell Purge and took it off of "enabled" in the AI tactics menu. Between her and Solas with Dispel, I can nix half (or more) of a wave of Rift-spawned demons before the fight even starts. Templar abilities are useful, but specialized, which is what you expect, given the point of templar in-universe. And you fight plenty of demons, so it's not like you don't get a chance to use the specialized abilities.
    They're not bad, just unimpressive. I miss the ability to silence opponents from DA2 - isn't that the Templars' supposed job? Although it's not like BW was ever big on letting them do what they're supposed to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    If you go under Options, you'll see a list of Trials you can enable. They're pretty self-explanatory. Take it Slow halves your XP, Walk Softly turns the occasional regular enemy into an Elite with new abilities, Fairweather Friends doubles disapproval, etc.

    If you play the game with a Trial enabled, every once in a while you'll get a special reward (a new piece of equipment, some gemstones, etc.)
    To be honest, I can't recall ever getting anything useful from that chest. I turned on the trials for slower XP gain and level-scaling to keep the game from becoming too easy.
    My FFRP characters. Avatar by Ashen Lilies. Sigatars by Ashen Lilies, Gulaghar and Purple Eagle.

  7. - Top - End - #277
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    OldWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Finland
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTeaMustFlow View Post
    Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I'd rather not go through the threads for fear of spoilers. I've finally got around to playing DAI, and I'm currently
    Spoiler: Probably not much of a spoiler but you can't be too careful
    Show
    clearing out the Hinterlands, and I've got a mission to go to Val Royeaux.
    Is there any compelling (gameplay) reason why I should or should not do so? I've got the impression that continuing with the main quest is the way to unlock more stuff like specialisations, companions and such, but I'm worried about locking out stuff I should be doing now or being forced into making poor choices. The game seems to be encouraging me to continue the main quest, but the hints in previous Bioware games have often proved to be misleading, e.g.
    Spoiler: Moderate Origins spoiler
    Show
    The first game encouraging you to go to Redcliffe first when there are several good reasons not to do that.
    The first rule of Hinterlands is that you should leave the Hinterlands. There's even a leave the Hinterlands meme. Seriously, start typing it in Google and see if it auto fills.

  8. - Top - End - #278
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    Kish's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2004

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    What are the several good reasons not to go to Redcliffe first? It and the Circle tower are the two lowest-level areas you can choose once you have a choice. The only one I can see is "you should go to the Circle tower right away to get Wynne," which I don't find particularly compelling (and I suspect for much of the design cycle they were intending Jowan to join you at Redcliffe, anyway).
    Spoiler
    Show
    "The really unforgivable acts are committed by calm men in beautiful green silk rooms, who deal death wholesale, by the shipload, without lust, or anger, or desire, or any redeeming emotion to excuse them but cold fear of some pretended future. But the crimes they hope to prevent in the future are imaginary. The ones they commit in the present--they are real." --Aral Vorkosigan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    This, in a nutshell.
    Yes, exactly.

  9. - Top - End - #279
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Lost in the Hinterlands
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTeaMustFlow View Post
    Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I'd rather not go through the threads for fear of spoilers. I've finally got around to playing DAI, and I'm currently
    Spoiler: Probably not much of a spoiler but you can't be too careful
    Show
    clearing out the Hinterlands, and I've got a mission to go to Val Royeaux.
    Is there any compelling (gameplay) reason why I should or should not do so? I've got the impression that continuing with the main quest is the way to unlock more stuff like specialisations, companions and such, but I'm worried about locking out stuff I should be doing now or being forced into making poor choices. The game seems to be encouraging me to continue the main quest, but the hints in previous Bioware games have often proved to be misleading, e.g.
    Spoiler: Moderate Origins spoiler
    Show
    The first game encouraging you to go to Redcliffe first when there are several good reasons not to do that.
    No, you should go to Val Royeaux when you have the Power to do so. You'll be able to recruit new companions and open up new War Table operations. Solas will even start pestering you about going to VR and he won't stop until you go.
    A father taken by time, a brother dead by my own hand.
    With this work behold my grief, in Stone and shifting sand.

  10. - Top - End - #280
    Firbolg in the Playground
     
    Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Das Kapital

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Because if you save the Circle first you can get then to free Connor without a sacrifice.
    Steampunk GwynSkull by DR. BATH

    "Live to the point of tears"
    - Albert Camus


    Quote Originally Posted by Wyntonian View Post
    What. Is. This. Madness.

  11. - Top - End - #281
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Lost in the Hinterlands
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll View Post
    Because if you save the Circle first you can get then to free Connor without a sacrifice.
    You can go to Redcliffe, leave after Connor is confronted and THEN go to the Circle. That's what I did.

    There should be a consequence for doing so, but DG admitted to being too soft-hearted to punish players for wanting to save a mother and her son.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    To be honest, I can't recall ever getting anything useful from that chest. I turned on the trials for slower XP gain and level-scaling to keep the game from becoming too easy.
    I did get this neat singing sword that was quite handy.
    Last edited by Giggling Ghast; 2017-02-11 at 02:42 PM.

  12. - Top - End - #282
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    Kish's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2004

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Whether you've been to the Circle first or not, that course is, "You leave Redcliffe with Connor currently under control, travel for days away, travel for days back." Whether the time you spend in the tower is minutes or the hours it takes to kill all the demons is irrelevant because logically it would be irrelevant; you spend the lion's share of the time on the road. They could have written a random "there's no good option here; kill Connor or have Jowan kill Isolde or I'll do something to make you wish you had because I do GRIMDARK like Gurm" screwjob, but it would have been seriously crappy writing.

    Issues of judgments of what they "should" have done aside, is an incorrect belief about what happens if you go to Redcliffe first the only reason not to go there first?
    Spoiler
    Show
    "The really unforgivable acts are committed by calm men in beautiful green silk rooms, who deal death wholesale, by the shipload, without lust, or anger, or desire, or any redeeming emotion to excuse them but cold fear of some pretended future. But the crimes they hope to prevent in the future are imaginary. The ones they commit in the present--they are real." --Aral Vorkosigan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    This, in a nutshell.
    Yes, exactly.

  13. - Top - End - #283
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    TheTeaMustFlow's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Perfidious Albion

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by darksolitaire View Post
    The first rule of Hinterlands is that you should leave the Hinterlands. There's even a leave the Hinterlands meme. Seriously, start typing it in Google and see if it auto fills.
    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    No, you should go to Val Royeaux when you have the Power to do so. You'll be able to recruit new companions and open up new War Table operations. Solas will even start pestering you about going to VR and he won't stop until you go.
    Thanks very much. Off to not-France I merrily hop then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    Whether you've been to the Circle first or not, that course is, "You leave Redcliffe with Connor currently under control, travel for days away, travel for days back." Whether the time you spend in the tower is minutes or the hours it takes to kill all the demons is irrelevant because logically it would be irrelevant; you spend the lion's share of the time on the road. They could have written a random "there's no good option here; kill Connor or have Jowan kill Isolde or I'll do something to make you wish you had because I do GRIMDARK like Gurm" screwjob, but it would have been seriously crappy writing.

    Issues of judgments of what they "should" have done aside, is an incorrect belief about what happens if you go to Redcliffe first the only reason not to go there first?
    Well, firstly there's the fact that Redcliffe is (at least in my experience) significantly more difficult than the Circle or the Dalish, secondly there's the fact that there's nice stuff you want in the Circle ASAP (Wynne, the Fade attribute bonuses, and a lot of nice items) while there's not a great deal of interest beyond the main quest in Redcliffe, and thirdly, while it is indeed possible to do Redcliffe up to Connor, then do the Circle, then come back, a first time player is unlikely to realise this, or even realise that going to the Circle for help is even a possibility in the first place (I only found out on my second playthrough, and then only through the wiki). It's this sort of Guide Dang It scenario I was referring to, and hoping to avoid myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby Frost
    `This is just the beginning, Citizens! Today we have boiled a pot who's steam shall be seen across the entire galaxy. The Tea Must Flow, and it shall! The banner of the British Space Empire will be unfurled across a thousand worlds, carried forth by the citizens of Urn, and before them the Tea shall flow like a steaming brown river of shi-*cough*- shimmering moral fibre!`

  14. - Top - End - #284
    Titan in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2008

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    Whether you've been to the Circle first or not, that course is, "You leave Redcliffe with Connor currently under control, travel for days away, travel for days back." Whether the time you spend in the tower is minutes or the hours it takes to kill all the demons is irrelevant because logically it would be irrelevant; you spend the lion's share of the time on the road. They could have written a random "there's no good option here; kill Connor or have Jowan kill Isolde or I'll do something to make you wish you had because I do GRIMDARK like Gurm" screwjob, but it would have been seriously crappy writing.

    Issues of judgments of what they "should" have done aside, is an incorrect belief about what happens if you go to Redcliffe first the only reason not to go there first?
    You leave a demon with absolutely no real harm done to him under the care of people that the demon already proved he was able to mind control.

  15. - Top - End - #285
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Mar 2014

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    So I did Crestwood, pretty much all of it save the dragon, in one go. Thoughts:
    1) Should probably have done it sooner instead of being anal-retentive about the Emerald Graves and the Hinterlands first. There were a couple of items that would have been great a while ago, but have fallen behind in terms of pure stats. The same goes for the Fallow Mire.
    Spoiler: 2) Regarding the mayor
    Show
    I find it odd that when we catch up with him, there is no exoneration available at the judge's throne. The mayor sacrificed people who were going to die anyway in order to save the rest, wipe out a darkspawn horde, and prevent the darkspawn from laying their hands on any women, which would have been awful in many ways. That's the kind of decision that littered the first game and Mass Effect as well, and many in those games would have argued that that is the correct decision. But contempt for the mayor seems universal in this instance, and I don't quite get why. I chose exile for him, it being the most lenient option, but I felt there should have been some sort of "it's okay, we understand, don't let it ruin your life" option.

    3) If I kill the dragon in Crestwood, can I do the "Celebrate the Dragonslaying" operation again? Would Wade and the nobles of Thedas really care that it's the second dragon I've killed? Also, does anyone else feel bad about killing dragons in the Dragon Age games? I mean, they're crawling back from the brink of extinction and along comes your character and kills all the reproductive females.

  16. - Top - End - #286
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Lost in the Hinterlands
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Regarding Crestwood's mayor:

    Spoiler
    Show
    I think he does deserve to be punished. Sure, flooding Old Crestwood may have been necessary, but if it was the right thing to do, then why try to hide his actions?

    Also, he's partly responsible for the disaster plaguing Crestwood now. He refused to drain the lake to recover the bodies left there, which allowed demons to possess them when the rift opened.

    Exile strikes me as no better as exoneration, but imprisonment or death seems too severe. (I do prefer death to imprisonment, though.) My solution is to wait until Here Lies the Abyss to judge him and then give him to the Grey Wardens. If he dies during the Joining, then he's paid for his crimes. If he lives, then he can spend his life fighting darkspawn and perhaps do some good.
    Last edited by Giggling Ghast; 2017-02-11 at 07:00 PM.

  17. - Top - End - #287
    Titan in the Playground
     
    AssassinGuy

    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTeaMustFlow View Post
    Thanks very much. Off to not-France I merrily hop then.



    Well, firstly there's the fact that Redcliffe is (at least in my experience) significantly more difficult than the Circle or the Dalish, secondly there's the fact that there's nice stuff you want in the Circle ASAP (Wynne, the Fade attribute bonuses, and a lot of nice items) while there's not a great deal of interest beyond the main quest in Redcliffe, and thirdly, while it is indeed possible to do Redcliffe up to Connor, then do the Circle, then come back, a first time player is unlikely to realise this, or even realise that going to the Circle for help is even a possibility in the first place (I only found out on my second playthrough, and then only through the wiki). It's this sort of Guide Dang It scenario I was referring to, and hoping to avoid myself.
    Your experience is incorrect. Redcliffe is the second easiest zone in the game. Only the circle scales mobs to a lower level.

    Redcliffe and the Circle are both perfectly doable as the first zone. The Dalish is difficult but not impossible, the game flat out wont let you into Orzammar because theres an encounter outside that will kill you before you get there if you aren't strong enough, and Haven/Denerim both have serious challenges.

    Also, at least for me, my character outright had a dialogue option that said "lets go to the circle, I bet they have Lyrium!" and that evidently will only not appear if you already went there and killed all the mages.
    “Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”

  18. - Top - End - #288
    Ettin in the Playground
    Join Date
    May 2007

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTeaMustFlow View Post
    Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I'd rather not go through the threads for fear of spoilers. I've finally got around to playing DAI, and I'm currently
    Spoiler: Probably not much of a spoiler but you can't be too careful
    Show
    clearing out the Hinterlands, and I've got a mission to go to Val Royeaux.
    Is there any compelling (gameplay) reason why I should or should not do so? I've got the impression that continuing with the main quest is the way to unlock more stuff like specialisations, companions and such, but I'm worried about locking out stuff I should be doing now or being forced into making poor choices. The game seems to be encouraging me to continue the main quest, but the hints in previous Bioware games have often proved to be misleading, e.g.
    Spoiler: Moderate Origins spoiler
    Show
    The first game encouraging you to go to Redcliffe first when there are several good reasons not to do that.
    No, but don't visit the Mages or Templars until you're sure which side you want to support. Other than that, you can't really miss anything to my recollection.

  19. - Top - End - #289
    Colossus in the Playground
     
    Kish's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2004

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    The "now you can go to the tower, nothing will happen in however long you're gone" thing is pretty badly designed--but changing the design to "now we unavoidably shaft you, haw haw!" or "we're arbitrarily declaring that the days you spend traveling (or potentially months if you decide to stop off at Denerim and Orzammar before you come back) are safe, but the hours you spend clearing the tower pushes it over the Something Bad Happens threshold" would be worse design, not better.
    Spoiler
    Show
    "The really unforgivable acts are committed by calm men in beautiful green silk rooms, who deal death wholesale, by the shipload, without lust, or anger, or desire, or any redeeming emotion to excuse them but cold fear of some pretended future. But the crimes they hope to prevent in the future are imaginary. The ones they commit in the present--they are real." --Aral Vorkosigan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    This, in a nutshell.
    Yes, exactly.

  20. - Top - End - #290
    Titan in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2008

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    The "now you can go to the tower, nothing will happen in however long you're gone" thing is pretty badly designed--but changing the design to "now we unavoidably shaft you, haw haw!" or "we're arbitrarily declaring that the days you spend traveling (or potentially months if you decide to stop off at Denerim and Orzammar before you come back) are safe, but the hours you spend clearing the tower pushes it over the Something Bad Happens threshold" would be worse design, not better.
    I reapectfully disagree. The point of the game was to make tough choices. Hell the very end shows you how your choices just screw things over often unintentionally.

    And hell, other games have done great with mixing things up to shake the player out of thinking of the game as a game rather than an experience. Chrono Trigger's Trial and Deus Ex hostage's being the best examples I can think of which use analyzing what the game actions actually mean.

    Now that doesn't mean you have to completely mess them up. The demon was destroying the town, you very deliberately were given an option to stop him that the player chose not to use. And so you should deal with those consequences. You can still save the child but the village is overrun. Or the possessed uncle is dead. Something to show that the actions have meaning rather than just being a conscience for the player.

  21. - Top - End - #291
    Titan in the Playground
     
    AssassinGuy

    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes View Post
    I reapectfully disagree. The point of the game was to make tough choices. Hell the very end shows you how your choices just screw things over often unintentionally.

    And hell, other games have done great with mixing things up to shake the player out of thinking of the game as a game rather than an experience. Chrono Trigger's Trial and Deus Ex hostage's being the best examples I can think of which use analyzing what the game actions actually mean.

    Now that doesn't mean you have to completely mess them up. The demon was destroying the town, you very deliberately were given an option to stop him that the player chose not to use. And so you should deal with those consequences. You can still save the child but the village is overrun. Or the possessed uncle is dead. Something to show that the actions have meaning rather than just being a conscience for the player.
    The thing is, screwing the player over because they went to Redcliffe before the Circle, when the game specifically encourages you to do so, isn't cool. Its already possible to kill all the villagers by going to redcliffe, talking to people, then leaving to go to a different area and come back. The zombies will have killed everyone, and the Bann will show up to show you inside the castle straight away.

    Requiring people to go to the circle first, when they have no indication that they need to, would be the definition of Guide Dang It.
    “Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”

  22. - Top - End - #292
    Titan in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2008

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    The thing is, screwing the player over because they went to Redcliffe before the Circle, when the game specifically encourages you to do so, isn't cool. Its already possible to kill all the villagers by going to redcliffe, talking to people, then leaving to go to a different area and come back. The zombies will have killed everyone, and the Bann will show up to show you inside the castle straight away.

    Requiring people to go to the circle first, when they have no indication that they need to, would be the definition of Guide Dang It.
    And it's possible to kill the boy and save the city. Or sacrifice the mom with that mage guy.

    There were plenty of viable working options built into the game. Not the everything winds up perfectly option.

  23. - Top - End - #293
    Ettin in the Playground
    Join Date
    May 2007

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    The whole point of giving the player agency and letting them make decisions is so they can work towards what they feel is an optimal ending. If you're just going to screw your player for something arbitrary like deciding to visit towns in the wrong order, you may as well not give them decisions at all.

    Likewise, if you want a bittersweet ending to a plotline for your playthrough there's nothing stopping you from making those decisions. Personally, I like having the option to make things into a happy ending if I try hard enough. That's basically the whole point of giving me decision making ability in the first place.
    Last edited by Anteros; 2017-02-11 at 11:11 PM.

  24. - Top - End - #294
    Titan in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2008

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    The whole point of giving the player agency and letting them make decisions is so they can work towards what they feel is an optimal ending. If you're just going to screw your player for something arbitrary like deciding to visit towns in the wrong order, you may as well not give them decisions at all.

    Likewise, if you want a bittersweet ending to a plotline for your playthrough there's nothing stopping you from making those decisions. Personally, I like having the option to make things into a happy ending if I try hard enough. That's basically the whole point of giving me decision making ability in the first place.
    But the games have been doing that forever. You can randomly start a Crusade by promoting religious freedom. Bringing different characters to different situations can cause entirely different outcomes. Trust one double crossing princess and it can be good or bad and you have no idea beforehand. Iron Bull's betrayal or any of the others.

    If it really gets your goat this specific time then at least write the scene in a way that makes sense for the demon to do jack all for a week at a time.

  25. - Top - End - #295
    Ettin in the Playground
    Join Date
    May 2007

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes View Post
    But the games have been doing that forever. You can randomly start a Crusade by promoting religious freedom. Bringing different characters to different situations can cause entirely different outcomes. Trust one double crossing princess and it can be good or bad and you have no idea beforehand. Iron Bull's betrayal or any of the others.

    If it really gets your goat this specific time then at least write the scene in a way that makes sense for the demon to do jack all for a week at a time.
    If you say so. It was always pretty clear to me what would happen with these decisions. I'm sure there's a few exceptions I'm not thinking of at the moment, but for the most part the games give you more than enough information to make the right decisions if you are paying attention.

    I mean, like with Iron Bull. You're the one who taught him obedience to the Qun was more important than the life of his comrades. Are you really that surprised when he's not super loyal after that? It's an obvious consequence.
    Last edited by Anteros; 2017-02-12 at 12:21 AM.

  26. - Top - End - #296
    Barbarian in the Playground
    Join Date
    May 2016

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Regarding the thing with Connor: I agree that it doesn't really make sense that nothing bad happens when you go off to the Circle Tower to get help.

    As far as rationalizing what we got goes:
    - One could argue that a trained mage or templar who recognizes the threat that possessed-Connor poses could keep the demon from doing any further harm through him, at least for a little while, due to the counter-magic abilities that they possess (the various stun/disruption abilities that all three classes have could also help, though many of those abilities seem rather inadvisable if you want to avoid harming the target). Jowan's looking for a way to redeem himself and is present if you didn't tell him to go away (not sure that Teagan and Isolde would tolerate him being out of his cell even to prevent Connor from causing more trouble, though), and you could argue that inactive party members could be left somewhere to do something rather than be sitting at camp or following about 50' behind the active party waiting for the Warden to swap characters in the active party.
    - Maybe the demon, which seems to not yet have full control over Connor, decided to wait a little while to see what the Warden and company would do rather than risk its prize by making it completely obvious that Connor remains a threat. After all, if they're willing to leave then it'll give the demon time to strengthen its hold over Connor, maybe influence the forewarned knights and villagers, or find an opportunity to slip away. This is only a reasonable explanation if the Warden goes about getting help from the Tower quickly, though; the longer the Warden is away, the less reasonable it is to think the demon is still in wait-and-see mode.
    - Possessed-Connor's dialogue indicates that the attacks on the village are essentially due to boredom. If an alternative means by which possessed-Connor can be entertained is available (e.g. magic lessons with Jowan, not that I think it'd be advisable to train a possessed mage in how to use their magic better), maybe that could provide enough of a distraction to prevent trouble long enough for the Warden to go to the Tower and back.
    - I don't think it's likely or all that reasonable even compared to the rest of this, but maybe a prepared and forewarned mundane NPC or group thereof would be able to resist possessed-Connor's magic well enough that the desire demon could be convinced that it's better off to wait for the Warden to return and try something during the ritual rather than trying anything while the Warden's away. The demon doesn't want to lose its prize, and there really isn't any feasible alternative to killing Connor if the demon starts making trouble before the Warden returns. That said, possessed-Connor was fairly clearly capable of controlling the throne room guards and Teagan (and Teagan may have known what was up before he got mind-controlled), so that seems a pretty slender straw to grasp at.

    The thing is, screwing the player over because they went to Redcliffe before the Circle, when the game specifically encourages you to do so, isn't cool. Its already possible to kill all the villagers by going to redcliffe, talking to people, then leaving to go to a different area and come back. The zombies will have killed everyone, and the Bann will show up to show you inside the castle straight away.

    Requiring people to go to the circle first, when they have no indication that they need to, would be the definition of Guide Dang It.
    I agree to some extent - going to the Tower first should not make a difference for whether or not you can get the best result, because in order to do the lyrium version of the ritual you need to go back to the Tower, and as I don't think that clearing the Tower of demons takes much more than a day or so I'm doubtful that the difference in the amount of time you're away from Redcliffe would be enough to matter. In-game information on demonic possession suggests that the options should be more along the lines of sacrifice Isolde to save Connor and the town, kill Connor to save the town, or go to the Tower to save Connor without sacrificing Isolde but in doing so sacrifice the town.

    If they did want to include a way to save Connor without sacrificing either Isolde or the town while still penalizing leaving the area to go to the tower, all that they'd have needed to do would be to change the requirements of the lyrium ritual from "lyrium and mages from the Tower" to "lyrium in a form and quantity that the player could reasonably be expected to have on them or acquire from Bodahn Feddic or merchants in Redcliffe Village (e.g. 10 units of lyrium dust or its equivalent in potions) and at least two of Jowan, Morrigan, Wynne, mage-Warden, and maybe Redcliffe Village Mages' Collective Representative" while letting the player know what was required and indicating what the consequences of each choice would be. The player then gets the option of performing the lyrium ritual to save both Connor and Isolde without leaving long enough to put the village at risk if they're willing to foot the bill for the lyrium, and can still sacrifice Isolde or kill Connor to protect the village or go to the Circle Tower at the cost of bad things happening at Redcliffe because Connor hasn't been dealt with yet if they're unwilling to provide the lyrium.

    The whole point of giving the player agency and letting them make decisions is so they can work towards what they feel is an optimal ending. If you're just going to screw your player for something arbitrary like deciding to visit towns in the wrong order, you may as well not give them decisions at all.
    If you're going to let the player try to work towards what they feel is an optimal outcome, it's probably better for none of the potential outcomes to be clearly superior to any of the other outcomes - at the very least, all of the possible options should have some kind of cost associated with them, even if the costs are not equivalent. That isn't the case with Redcliffe; once you know that going to the Tower will not result in harm befalling any of the people at Redcliffe, it becomes the obviously-optimal solution to the problem, at least looking at it from the perspective of the results produced, because it literally has no cost except maybe in a slight amount of additional time spent in loading screens (and you don't even have that cost if you hadn't yet cleared the Circle Tower, because you were going to have to go there anyways). There's really no room to argue that either of the other solutions is optimal from the perspective of results, which means that if you actually are going for the 'optimal' outcome there isn't actually a choice in how to deal with Connor.
    Last edited by Aeson; 2017-02-12 at 01:09 AM.

  27. - Top - End - #297
    Titan in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2008

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    If you say so. It was always pretty clear to me what would happen with these decisions. I'm sure there's a few exceptions I'm not thinking of at the moment, but for the most part the games give you more than enough information to make the right decisions if you are paying attention.

    I mean, like with Iron Bull. You're the one who taught him obedience to the Qun was more important than the life of his comrades. Are you really that surprised when he's not super loyal after that? It's an obvious consequence.
    Saying a political alliance with a major power is more important than 6 mercenaries on the other hand doesn't. Or, that sending a dwarf to study magic will cause an Exalted March on Orzammar. Or if you don't bring your sister into the Deep Roads she'll be attacked by Templar. Or you will only have the option to turn an evil mage tranquil if you picked Mage as your class all the way back in character customization. Or that Alistar when confronting some relative will suddenly turn into a good king, despite my never actually getting this quest in my first playthrough at all and not even knowing that he could be king when you get that conversation.

    Or hell, every single conversation, where you don't know 100% if your companion will approve or not of your actions. The games were always about making decisions with the best knowledge available and hoping your best intentions play out. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But usually, you are right that the impact on the story does come out from your decisions. Sure, you may not have guessed that Dagna would cause an Exalted March, but, you know, it kind of makes sense.

    When presented with the situation that you're leaving a demon unguarded in a town that we just saw that the unguarded demon could basically destroy said city and mind control the people nearby, the assumption is that he will do so again. The game not even attempting to offer a satisfying explanation why he doesn't do this is what's most vexing about the decisions. Maybe it needed another re-write, or have the campaign reworked so that you can't kill Jowan until you deal with the demon and he says some magic words to bind it until you get back. Something. But there's nothing, it just seems so out of place. Especially when up to that point the game had made a point that it was a Dark and Serious world (almost comically with the trailers, seriously, who thought that "This is the New ****" was a good theme song to go with?) with dark and serious consequences, this one kind of sticks out.

    And for the record, Origin is still my favorite of the Dragon Age games. It's great. But, yeah, I think this mission could have used a once over.

  28. - Top - End - #298
    Troll in the Playground
     
    tonberrian's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    If I had to redo Redcliffe, I'd have it so that you can leave a companion behind at Redcliffe, one of Morrigan, Alistair, or Wynne, to help keep Connor from hurting anyone else. If you don't, Connor ends up dead by the time you return from the Mage Circle. It makes going to the Circle a non-trivial choice while still being probably the best one.
    The name is "tonberrian", even when it begins a sentence. It's magic, I ain't gotta 'splain why.

    Rick Venture avatar by kpenguin, his GM.

  29. - Top - End - #299
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    RedWizardGuy

    Join Date
    Mar 2014

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    I've run the Fallow Mire, which was unpleasant, to say the least. I did enjoy the comedic interlude of judging the Avvar chieftain who attacked Skyhold with a goat after all was said and done, though. Thereafter, I went off to the Western Approach and the Hissing Wastes and mostly completed the former (I think I just have to fight the high dragon, assuming I wish to), but then left the Hissing Wastes to handle some matters at Adamant Fortress.
    Spoiler: Here Lies the Abyss; I haven't done Wicked Eyes/Hearts yet
    Show
    I was careful to save as many lives (both Warden and Inquisition) during the siege as possible, which made the final confrontation easier. The Fade sequence thereafter was ugly to look at but easy. I am glad that I chose the Knight-Enchanter specialization: cutting through manifestations of fear with a sword made out of my own pure will has a certain thematic appropriateness to it. I'm also glad Sera kept it together; I was worried about it, given how much she was freaking out in ambient party chatter, but nothing came of her issues with demons. The Nightmare was fairly easy to manage, and thereafter I sacrificed Hawke and decided to keep the Wardens around, under the reasoning that Corypheus has at least one archdemon and may have the ability to acquire more, and we'll need the Wardens to kill it. The decision turned out to be quite unpopular—understandably enough given what the Warden leadership had done—but what bothered me the most was who it was popular/unpopular with. Characters like Iron Bull supported my decision, while Solas and Cole strongly disapproved. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that; I may reload to see what happens the other way, even though it means fighting the Nightmare again.

  30. - Top - End - #300
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Devil

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Lost in the Hinterlands
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Dragon Age VI: Siege Harder

    You're tackling the areas in an unusual order. Typically it goes:

    Hinterlands
    Fallow Mire
    Crestwood
    Western Approach/Exalted Plains
    Emerald Graves
    Emprise Du Lion
    Hissing Wastes

    With return trips as needed to handle higher-level adversaries. (The Storm Coast and Forbidden Oasis has content for all levels.)

    Regarding Here Lies the Abyss:

    Spoiler
    Show
    Solas opposes keeping around the Wardens because he thinks their quest to destroy the Old Gods will end in greater destruction. Without getting into spoilers, we're not certain why.

    Cole opposes the decision because the Wardens hurt people. Simple as that.
    Last edited by Giggling Ghast; 2017-02-13 at 02:45 AM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •