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    Yes, the ambassador indeed use the sceptre as much as he can. Now I'm really curious as how it can be stopped...peraphs there is a way to breack the sceptre?

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    He doesn't immediately know the outcome of his altered decisions, he could use it again to see whether his new plan works, but the usage time(uncluding reaction time) is small but non zero so there are limits. And knowing what comes doesn't automatically mean you can react in a way that is successful . See any jump and run with unchanging levels. It is super powerful but it is theratically possible that he comes in a situation where he doesn't find a solution fast enough. Or just gets sloppy.

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    Or they can actively manipulate the outcome when they see him use the sceptre. Like attacking from the right in the simulation, and attacking in the left in the real world. But that means they have to sacrifice the simulated world to win in the real world. And they would have to guess from the Ambassador's reaction in which world they are.
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    This scene was a bit weird to me, who lets someone holding a big knife in a potentially hostile situation just walk up to them?

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    Until she killed the guard Lilith sounded reasonable. Trixie is hiding in a closet in a disguise, and she has a motive to hurt the president. Only Klara's intervention speaks for her. Then Lilith gaied trust with the guard by instantly submitting to his order. Then she made a good poker face and stabbed him when he let his guard down.
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    I know that is the intention of the comic, I am just not buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welf View Post
    Or they can actively manipulate the outcome when they see him use the sceptre. Like attacking from the right in the simulation, and attacking in the left in the real world. But that means they have to sacrifice the simulated world to win in the real world. And they would have to guess from the Ambassador's reaction in which world they are.
    I think you're on to something there. I could see that being a thing. That could devolve if the ambassador catches on and then tries to make the real world seem like a simulation, or something like that.

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    I think you're on to something there. I could see that being a thing. That could devolve if the ambassador catches on and then tries to make the real world seem like a simulation, or something like that.
    The problem is, they don't know about the simulation, do they? I don't think Audrey had time to mention that part to Lyndon before killing him.

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    Oh, duh. You're right.

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    Lyndon guessed how the sceptre works. And their conundrum.
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    Just need to instantly kill him from behind, if he doesn't know how he died the info is of much more limited value. (Or did the scepter show you your surroundings, not sure?) Which is easier said than done.

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    Just need to instantly kill him from behind, if he doesn't know how he died the info is of much more limited value. (Or did the scepter show you your surroundings, not sure?) Which is easier said than done.
    Even if the scepter only shows the first person view, he would still have a reaction like "that was a really weird death, I didn't say anything to myself, I didn't see what killed me, but it happened in a hallway like the one up ahead. Guards, surround me while I touch the scepter and try going another way."
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    Klara is the real hero of this story.

    Edit: Damn, look at this! What did I say?

    Lykke seems to just do whatever the ambassador tells him to, even if it isn't in his own self-interest. We know from the vision that he doesn't actually care about keeping the Tsar in power.
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    If they have time to pick an action from the hat they also have time to just decide to do something else it is not like they can't hear him too. Unless he pulls something like "That wasn't an real prediction, I tried shouting this and we won after!" fights just move too fast and involve too many people reacting to any changes for this method. Though he can indeed catch traps.

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    So, hats are a source of true randomness in this world, and cannot be predicted. Good to know.
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    So, hats are a source of true randomness in this world, and cannot be predicted. Good to know.
    It's mostly that whenever they hear the ambassador tell their plans, they draw a new plan. And they do this faster than the ambassador can tell about new visions.

    So the ambassador gets a vision of Plan 1, in that simulated vision he doesn't warn the snout elves out loud about it, so Audrey doesn't draw a new plan. Back to the real world, he warns the elves, so Audrey draws a new plan.

    The point of divergence is the ambassador acting on the knowledge he acquired through the wand. And since his aim is to thwart Audrey's and Lyndon's plans, he has to introduce a divergence. It's just that Audrey and Lyndon have figured out a way to game the system and make these changed outcomes work for them.
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    It's mostly that whenever they hear the ambassador tell their plans, they draw a new plan. And they do this faster than the ambassador can tell about new visions.

    So the ambassador gets a vision of Plan 1, in that simulated vision he doesn't warn the snout elves out loud about it, so Audrey doesn't draw a new plan. Back to the real world, he warns the elves, so Audrey draws a new plan.

    The point of divergence is the ambassador acting on the knowledge he acquired through the wand. And since his aim is to thwart Audrey's and Lyndon's plans, he has to introduce a divergence. It's just that Audrey and Lyndon have figured out a way to game the system and make these changed outcomes work for them.
    Ah, right. So his countermove is to prevent Audrey from hearing him. Get some earphones for his underlings maybe.

    Though... that would still require the plans he predicts they'll use to have een already drawn, which we don't see, or for him saying things to influence which note they draw. That second one in particular is certainly not impossible, but it's good to know that those are the rules of this story. Randomness in time travel stories (and such) can get weird.
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    Quick thinking by Trixie there. That changes the power dymanic quite a bit.

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    Okay that was hilarious
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    That spell was both more powerful and more undirected than I thought. And yeah it was funny.

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    Now talk about hoist by her own petard... definitely chuckleworthy.

    That'll teach that sorceress to be a one-trick pony... resort too much on the same spell, and you have only yourself to blame for becoming so predictable.
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    The last chapter managed to make me feel sorry for the ambassador. My sense of empathy is scope insensitive to the amount of bad the character has actually done or was intending to do. Which in his case is gigantic.

    I think we are back to all main characters having plot armor. Which is normal for Thorsby, I'd say, but the simulation part tricked the reader into thinking it was lifted.

    Theoretically, the ambassador could have used the scepter of death 1000 times in advance, or even in the way, in order to obtain all relevant information about the location. Somewhere in there, the catapult thing would have shown up. He did not use it to its full potential.
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