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Thread: Question about Miko.
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2016-12-28, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Directness isn't mean. If you go into an argument and think someone's argument is based on premises that harms their argument from the beginning, you tell them. "You have three fatally flawed basic premises" is a neutral statement. There really isn't any emotion, niceness, or lack thereof attached to it.
The fact that the author of this sentence, or the ones that defended him, didn't try at all to say something like "I apologize, I didn't mean to sound rude" but say instead things like "you don't know english, stupid", says a lot.
Secondly, you are strawmanning yourself. Noone told candybarsuvius "you don't know english, stupid". They explained that they view "fatallt flawed" as a neutral, commonly used expression.
That's not something I would tell to someone unless [...] I want to show my strong disagreement with it.
Like in "It's a fatally flawed opinion to think that you can steal my cake, and leave this room alive" - see that? These two words are so strong that they can't be used in a normal conversation without being humourous.I won a thread. Am I pathetic to list that in my signture? Yes. Of course I am.
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2016-12-28, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is a friendly and in no way official or 'vigilante modding' type heads up that double posting is frowned upon in these forums. If you need to reply to multiple posts, there's a little button that looks like a quote with a plus sign next to it that lets you easily reply to multiple posts within one post!
I have already said everything else I have to say on this thread, and offer nothing new.Last edited by DaggerPen; 2016-12-28 at 07:35 PM.
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2016-12-28, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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À propos of nothing, of course.ungelic is us
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2016-12-28, 07:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-12-28, 07:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-12-28, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow. If you call others out on the fact that they are rude you might want to avoid acting the same way.
And maybe it would be a good idea not to assume that everyone was raised the way you were. I for one was taught to stand to my opinion*.
What problem? Calling out a flaw- and even calling it a fatal flaw -seems like a pretty normal argumentation technique to me.
And working off the assumptions that V is definitely male when his whole deal is that her gender is ambiguous or that Miko would have care when we can see she didn't seems like it could be called a fatal flaw.
It's not calling Earth a disk bad, but I wouldn't base my argumentation on it.
I think it is kinda hilarious you consider the Playground bad. This place is pretty nice all things considered. I’ve seen worse in RL.
And if you think it is so bad it might be a good idea to lead by example instead of making it worse.
*Besides, isn't almost everything based on opinion?Last edited by Kantaki; 2016-12-28 at 07:54 PM.
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2016-12-28, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-12-28, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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As far as I can tell, my problem seems to be that you don't understand what "fatally flawed" means.
You continue to insult other posters rather than give straightforward answers. You are the "lack of civility" you have spent half this thread complaining about.
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2016-12-28, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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"For you see, I theorize that the halfling does not possess a true sentient brain, like you or I, but rather a simple lump of nerve tissue that serves as a primitive "proto-brain" that can only process two emotional reactions to people: Hate or Lust."
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2016-12-28, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, no. The sun rises in the east and is yellow even if it's your or my opinion that it rises in the north and is chartreuse.
What many people are doing here is elevating their opinions to the status of absolute and irrefutable truth, and anyone who doesn't share those opinions is "fatally flawed." Stating your opinion loudly and obnoxiously, in language that suggests that you are a shining beacon of absolute truth and that the person whose fatally flawed argument you are utterly destroying with the sword of your blindingly brilliant logic is an idiot, is not noble or tough-minded or praiseworthy or manly. I can't help but refer to a certain public figure of whom many have said, "He speaks his mind." Well, your drunk uncle Dan also speaks his mind, which is why you dread Thanksgiving dinner every year.
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2016-12-28, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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See, that's the type of crap you spew that I object to. I never showed any misunderstanding of the term. I simply objected to your silly, condescending, insulting, and inaccurate use of it. Big difference between not understanding something and not agreeing with YOU about it.
I've given lots of straightforward answers, and as far as any lack of civility, I've only responded in kind. But you are, in one sense, absolutely right--I should never descend to your level. And as far as being evasive goes--what about the insult leveled at the OP? Has the person who did that copped to that or, God forfend, apologized for it? Have you acknowledged it?
It might be that some here are so sexually frustrated that a discussion of sex, even tangential to the topic as it was, sent them into a tizzy. I can't otherwise explain all the name-calling, insults, and provocative language. "I'm sorry you're not comfortable with sex"--I mean, what kind of horsecrap is that? Would you EVER say that to a stranger in public?
I can understand your attempting to evade your own behavior by accusing me of the same, though. It's a natural impulse: "you too!!! Nyahh nyahh, smarty!"Last edited by candybarsuvius; 2016-12-28 at 09:26 PM.
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2016-12-28, 09:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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A couple problems. V's gender ambiguity is not a matter of opinion either. It is pretty explicit within the comic that characters cannot tell what sex V is (or their former spouse, for that matter). Its understandable that somebody would decide one way or the other (and many people have), but youre going to run into problems when you base a premise off of that decision, which the OP did.
Secondly, Miko's open mindedness about these matters is not a matter of opinion either. On multiple occasions she has been shown to be perfectly OK with the idea of sex and same-sex relationships.
So yes, in this particular instance, Kish is perfectly within his right to make an absolute statement such as this because he is, in fact, factually correct.“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2016-12-28, 09:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Almost being the operative word. Of course some things are fact.
Others depend on on our individual perception and are thus opinion.
For example I'm pretty sure the last time I saw the Sun it wasn't yellow. It was more reddish.
What many people are doing here is elevating their opinions to the status of absolute and irrefutable truth, and anyone who doesn't share those opinions is "fatally flawed." Stating your opinion loudly and obnoxiously, in language that suggests that you are a shining beacon of absolute truth and that the person whose fatally flawed argument you are utterly destroying with the sword of your blindingly brilliant logic is an idiot, is not noble or tough-minded or praiseworthy or manly. I can't help but refer to a certain public figure of whom many have said, "He speaks his mind." Well, your drunk uncle Dan also speaks his mind, which is why you dread Thanksgiving dinner every year.
But isn't every argumentation the attempt to present your* opinion as fact and other opinons as... fatally flawed? I seem to remember something like that.
More importantly, who is Uncle Dan?
And what is Thanksgiving?
I don't think we do that in this part of the world.
*As in the opinion you argue for."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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(Walter Moers "Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher")
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2016-12-29, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Point of information: many couples between romantic-but-asexual individuals define their own boundaries as to what constitutes cheating in a romantic but non-sexual relationship.
I agree with the overall thrust of your post, though: in the most commonly used meaning of the phrase that the OP used, it refers to the possibility of V having extramarital sex, so the OP should have expected people to respond to that meaning.
Presumably Miko let V stay in whichever room made V (and the possibly the others) more comfortable, and that happened to be the same room as Haley and not the room with the male OOTS members. Which room do you think Miko should have insisted on V being in? V isn't male, nor is V female, so if you thought the rooms should be segregated by gender, than which one would you have put V in? More importantly, why would Miko care about segregating her prisoners by gender when she didn't mind them sleeping all together on the side of the road?
I'm actually not sure what the values of the most popular religion in Azure City (i.e., the Southern Pantheon religion) are. I mean, we know some of their religion's values based on the actions of Azure City clerics. And I hope you weren't talking about any other religions, since the only other religions in this world that we know of are the Northern, Western, Elven, Goblin, and Giggles religions, none of which are popular in Miko's culture.
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2016-12-29, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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