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    Does my construct not avoid an AoO because it was charging?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autopsibiofeeder View Post
    Does my construct not avoid an AoO because it was charging?
    The rules for charging state nothing about AoOs: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/spe...cks.htm#charge

    Hence, the standard rules apply. If that means you are leaving threatened spaces, you provoke AoOs.

    In particular, there is the ToB maneuver Battle Leader's Charge which explicitly states that you don't provoke an AoO if you use this maneuver.

    Often enough, the charge does not provoke an AoO, namely if the defender is flat-footed (and charges often occur in the beginning of the battle), or the defender has less reach than the attacker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkbear View Post
    The rules for charging state nothing about AoOs: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/spe...cks.htm#charge

    Hence, the standard rules apply. If that means you are leaving threatened spaces, you provoke AoOs.

    In particular, there is the ToB maneuver Battle Leader's Charge which explicitly states that you don't provoke an AoO if you use this maneuver.

    Often enough, the charge does not provoke an AoO, namely if the defender is flat-footed (and charges often occur in the beginning of the battle), or the defender has less reach than the attacker.
    I was referring to the table here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/act...llRoundActions

    It could be a remnant of 3.0 in my head, but as far as I know you don't provoke AoO from the person you charge (but do from all others).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autopsibiofeeder View Post
    I was referring to the table here: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/act...llRoundActions

    It could be a remnant of 3.0 in my head, but as far as I know you don't provoke AoO from the person you charge (but do from all others).
    I would interpret the table in the sense that the charge itself does not provoke an AoO, in contrast to, for example, a grapple attempt or making a coup de grace. But, as part of the charge you move, and as such, you can still provoke an AoO.

    I also dimly remember such a rule, supporting your idea that it comes from 3.0.

    Edit: I stole this from another thread on the board: There is a footnote on the table:

    "1) Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkbear View Post
    I would interpret the table in the sense that the charge itself does not provoke an AoO, in contrast to, for example, a grapple attempt or making a coup de grace. But, as part of the charge you move, and as such, you can still provoke an AoO.

    I also dimly remember such a rule, supporting your idea that it comes from 3.0.

    Edit: I stole this from another thread on the board: There is a footnote on the table:

    "1) Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity."
    Hmmm, right. Well, learn a new thing every day!
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    Quick question: Was the bulette using the withdraw action? I am just asking because Arvid was threatening it.

    Edit: Are there any consequences of the thing being partially underground? Cover or something?
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    Yes, it was using the withdraw action. Only one corner of its space was in your threatened area (I used the chart in the back of the DMG for 20' reach). -4 on ranged attacks due to cover.

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    Yes, you are right, I threatened only one square of it. Everything's fine as long as it used withdraw :)

    Alright, I don't want to edit the post. I made a mistake when rolling the attack; it was actually only +8 and not +9, so currently I hit touch AC 11. Which might still hit. But, I've got to admit, I am happy I didn't go full power attack as I planned originally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkbear View Post
    I would interpret the table in the sense that the charge itself does not provoke an AoO, in contrast to, for example, a grapple attempt or making a coup de grace. But, as part of the charge you move, and as such, you can still provoke an AoO.

    I also dimly remember such a rule, supporting your idea that it comes from 3.0.

    Edit: I stole this from another thread on the board: There is a footnote on the table:

    "1) Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity."
    To compound on this, a charge to a medium creature does not provoke, but if you leave the initial threatened square (say, in charging a large or larger creature), you do provoke. So it's a mixed bag.
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    need a roll for a post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelGareth View Post
    To compound on this, a charge to a medium creature does not provoke, but if you leave the initial threatened square (say, in charging a large or larger creature), you do provoke. So it's a mixed bag.
    Actually, if you charge a medium sized creature with a reach weapon, you still provoke the AoO, because you leave a threatened square.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkbear View Post
    Actually, if you charge a medium sized creature with a reach weapon, you still provoke the AoO, because you leave a threatened square.
    With a reach weapon yes, but it is assumed most medium sized creatures do not have reach weapons, and so do not provoke.

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    Think you missed some of my damage the previous round but I guess its moot.

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    You posted your turn this morning while I was typing up round results, so I had to go back and edit it in; if you looked at the post while I was editing, that would be why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-H View Post
    You posted your turn this morning while I was typing up round results, so I had to go back and edit it in; if you looked at the post while I was editing, that would be why.
    Yup I get that - I noticed that this morning. I was referencing that Grassis did 26 damage not 16 is all. (+10 damage for mortal bane) :) Just throwing it out there since I can't charge for 400 damage like some people and feel like I'm contributing. :)

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    Ah, yep. I missed that.
    It had 135hp, so it wouldn't have died any sooner.

    Are you all going to ride through (or right past) the herd of rhinos, circle it at a short distance, or circle it at a long distance?

    Circle east or west side?

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    Can petulia tame/capture a rhino for more mounts?
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    That would take charm animal, handle animal, etc., and a substantial amount of time. Handle Animal says 6 weeks to train an animal for combat, with a DC 20 check.

    Her rhino is a result of an Animal Companion ACF.

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    Probably best to give those rhinos a wide berth since we have an unnatural mount with us. Who knows how they will react and they might be spooked from the landsharks/Rocs.

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    Oh well then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-H View Post
    Are you all going to ride through (or right past) the herd of rhinos, circle it at a short distance, or circle it at a long distance?

    Circle east or west side?
    I have one partial answer for this question so far.

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    I say circle at long distance East around
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    Is he coming towards us, or going away?
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    Crossing paths. He's riding west, you're riding north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-H View Post
    Crossing paths. He's riding west, you're riding north.
    Oh... And damn, that was a fast response.

    I'll try to post a response
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    Not posting IC at the moment because we have people in the team that do the charisma thing better. It is true, right, that we are heading north, and in the direction of Panjin?

    This is still somewhat vague in my mind, maybe that is on purpose, but maybe I missed something: We are looking for something that may change the balance of the conflict in favour of our master and we are looking for it in that direction...that´s all we know, right? (i.e. we don´t know what exactly we´re looking for and where it is, but we have an imprinted inkling of the location)
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    Yeah, I'm a little confused about direction too.

    Is it possible to get a simple map of what he described with arrows, and where we are heading?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autopsibiofeeder View Post
    Not posting IC at the moment because we have people in the team that do the charisma thing better. It is true, right, that we are heading north, and in the direction of Panjin?

    This is still somewhat vague in my mind, maybe that is on purpose, but maybe I missed something: We are looking for something that may change the balance of the conflict in favour of our master and we are looking for it in that direction...that´s all we know, right? (i.e. we don´t know what exactly we´re looking for and where it is, but we have an imprinted inkling of the location)
    You are looking for "an artifact-grade weapon left over from the War of Sundering. It is far to the north, somewhere beneath the mountains."

    The imprinted compass in your minds is bearing slightly west of north. Panjin is likely on your route or pretty close to it. If you want someplace to buy and sell, it doesn't sound like there are any other options for a ways.

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    Yeah, I'm a little confused about direction too.

    Is it possible to get a simple map of what he described with arrows, and where we are heading?
    I've been procrastinating on doing a big overworld map showing progress & terrain so far. I will work on one, but I don't know when it'll be ready. You probably won't get to see most if it anyway, since you won't know some of what's on it.

    I hope my answer to Auto's question clarified things well enough for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-H View Post
    You are looking for "an artifact-grade weapon left over from the War of Sundering. It is far to the north, somewhere beneath the mountains."

    The imprinted compass in your minds is bearing slightly west of north. Panjin is likely on your route or pretty close to it. If you want someplace to buy and sell, it doesn't sound like there are any other options for a ways.



    I've been procrastinating on doing a big overworld map showing progress & terrain so far. I will work on one, but I don't know when it'll be ready. You probably won't get to see most if it anyway, since you won't know some of what's on it.

    I hope my answer to Auto's question clarified things well enough for now.
    Weapon. Beneath mountains.

    *scribble, scribble*

    Thanks. That info must have sunk to the part of my brain where the beer goes to party .

    Do we know which mountain range we are looking for, or is there only one mountain range in that direction (or do we not know)?
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    Yep, thanks.

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