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    Q408I cast Dispel Magic on a wizard that has Mirror Image up along with some other buffs. The spell says that every spell 3rd level or lower is dispelled. But how can that be if I instead target a duplicate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmdork View Post
    Q408. I cast Dispel Magic on a wizard that has Mirror Image up along with some other buffs. The spell says that every spell 3rd level or lower is dispelled. But how can that be if I instead target a duplicate?
    A408. That duplicate is very essential part of a magical effect created by a 2nd level spell. Of course the whole thing is dispelled.

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    A408 Addendum: More directly, Mirror Image specifically protects against attacks, which Dispel Magic is not. Similarly, any spell that does not require an attack roll would affect the wizard in question normally.

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    A408 what about the other spells that are up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmdork View Post
    A408 what about the other spells that are up?
    What about them? Dispel magic resolves normally. You can't "target" a duplicate with the spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmdork View Post
    Q408b what about the other spells that are up?
    A408b. Each spell that would be susceptible to Dispel Magic gets dispelled separately. Dispel Magic's effect doesn't end at first spell having been dispelled. Any ≈ All in this regard.
    As said above, the target of your Dispel Magic isn't the *duplicate* created by Mirror Image. The target is the subject under the effect of Mirror Image.
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    A408 Addendum: More directly, Mirror Image specifically protects against attacks, which Dispel Magic is not. Similarly, any spell that does not require an attack roll would affect the wizard in question normally.
    So, magic missle would affect normally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmdork View Post
    So, magic missle would affect normally?
    Yes. Magic Missile deals damage to the target directly, without an attack roll. It's basically a "homing missile"
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    A408 what about grappling or shoving? There's no attack roll, yet they are both considered attacks....

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    Q409 Can an Eldritch Knight 7 cast an Attack cantrip (Firebolt, Booming Blade, GFB) and throw a net as a bonus action?
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    Q409 Can an Eldritch Knight 7 cast an Attack cantrip (Firebolt, Booming Blade, GFB) and throw a net as a bonus action?
    Yes. A net is treated is a weapon, therefore throwing it counts as a weapon attack, allowed by the War Magic ability.

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    A 408 There are two criteria to use to determine whether something is considered an attack.

    1) It's explicitly referred to as an attack in the RAW. Grappling and shoving fall into this category under the "Making an Attack" section.
    2) It has an attack roll. From p.194: "If there’s ever any question whether something you’re doing counts as an attack, the rule is simple: if you’re making an attack roll, you’re making an attack."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalebert View Post
    A 408 There are two criteria to use to determine whether something is considered an attack.

    1) It's explicitly referred to as an attack in the RAW. Grappling and shoving fall into this category under the "Making an Attack" section.
    2) It has an attack roll. From p.194: "If there’s ever any question whether something you’re doing counts as an attack, the rule is simple: if you’re making an attack roll, you’re making an attack."
    Indeed, there's no question grappling and shoving are attacks. I think the question is how do you resolve such an attack on a mirror image? The images have AC, but no other stats with which to resist a grapple or shove attempt.


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    A408-a


    Grapple and Shove are explicitly attacks, as has been said, and per "Each time a creature Targets you with an Attack during the spell's Duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the Attack instead Targets one of your duplicates." They should be able to be redirected to a duplicate.

    Grapple and Shove do not "hit", they simply succeed or fail. Per "A duplicate can be destroyed only by an Attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage and effects." The duplicate would not be destroyed, and the grapple or shove would be wasted.

    Incidentally, if they were hit with an attack that did not do damage, they would be destroyed.

    It would seem reasonable to me to rule that the duplicates are destroyed if a creature attempts a grapple or shove against them, but it is not RAW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtPowers View Post
    I think the question is how do you resolve such an attack on a mirror image? The images have AC, but no other stats with which to resist a grapple or shove attempt.
    My bad. It wasn't clear that this was a continuation of a previous question. I answered it in isolation.

    I agree that a grapple or shove could be misdirected to a duplicate but wouldn't end the duplicate because they can't "hit".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgano View Post
    I would like to know what happens when I combine Silent Image (Level 1 spell) with Illusory Reality (Illusion Wizard Level 14 skill). Specifically, can I make the illusion of a door in a wall, use illusory reality to make it real and go through it. Or, will the door shatter to pieces as soon as I make it real because it's sharing the same space as the wall?
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    This would largely require a DM ruling, but a likely scenario is that the door would exist within the stone wall, as nothing about the illusion would replace the wall, or you might have a door that opens onto just more wall, if one assumes you can only create an illusion in a space you can see. There is not really a reason the door would be destroyed, but sure, why not?

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    A 411 Because elves don't 'sleep' do they ignore the rules for sleeping in armor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No brains View Post
    A 411 Because elves don't 'sleep' do they ignore the rules for sleeping in armor?
    Nitpick: Questions are labeled with Q, Answers with A.

    Anyway, I believe they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No brains View Post
    A 411 Because elves don't 'sleep' do they ignore the rules for sleeping in armor?
    A 411

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    Because an elf would not have slept in medium or heavy armor, the penalties would not apply to them.
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    Q 412 a Gentle Repose: Do the copper pieces count as a "costly component" or can you substitute a focus?

    Q 412 b What if the remains in question don't have eyes? Like what if it's just a leg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalebert View Post
    Q 412 a Gentle Repose: Do the copper pieces count as a "costly component" or can you substitute a focus?

    Q 412 b What if the remains in question don't have eyes? Like what if it's just a leg?
    A412a- While it would be strange to list "copper pieces worth 1 copper piece" it is not formatted like a "costly component", so a focus can be substituted.

    A412b- "or other remains".

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    Q413 - Are there other RAW threads for 5e? This is labeled RAW 3 but searching doesn't ID 1 or 2. If so, are there links? Learning a lot following along and thanks for the work!

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    Q414 - If my character were to enter a tap dancing contest while wearing the boots of elvenkind, would I do well in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHF View Post
    Q413 - Are there other RAW threads for 5e? This is labeled RAW 3 but searching doesn't ID 1 or 2. If so, are there links? Learning a lot following along and thanks for the work!
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    Not a RAW question, but 1 and 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgano View Post
    Q414 - If my character were to enter a tap dancing contest while wearing the boots of elvenkind, would I do well in it?

    A414 There is no RAW answer to this question, please make your own thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgano View Post
    Q414 - If my character were to enter a tap dancing contest while wearing the boots of elvenkind, would I do well in it?
    [shameless plug] Re414 I would encourage you to make your own thread on this complex question if you are serious about it, but if you would like to funpost bizarre questions about life and D&D rules, please consider my thread: Questions That Can't Be Answered... Answered By RAW. You can find a highly staged and forced link in my signature. [/shameless plug]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    A413
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    Not a RAW question, but
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    Really? The text for boots of elvenkind specifically says that you don't make sound while walking regardless of surface. I'd say that qualifies as a RAW question. Unless the wording in the book doesn't qualify as ruling as written. In which case, I apologize. The question may be silly as is, but it is still a legitimate question. If you don't like it worded that way then how about this:
    Q414 can a person wearing boots of elvenkind intentionally make noise, or do the rules as worded prevent that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galgano View Post
    Really? The text for boots of elvenkind specifically says that you don't make sound while walking regardless of surface. I'd say that qualifies as a RAW question. Unless the wording in the book doesn't qualify as ruling as written. In which case, I apologize. The question may be silly as is, but it is still a legitimate question. If you don't like it worded that way then how about this:
    Q414 can a person wearing boots of elvenkind intentionally make noise, or do the rules as worded prevent that.
    A414 There are no rules for temporarily suppressing magical item effects, so outside of an antimagic field, all of the character's steps would be silent.

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