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2017-02-06, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Vigilance- Dev Diary
Hey there- as I mentioned some time ago, I was working on what amounts to the framework for a superhero-themed x-com style tactical game a while back, so I wanted to pop in and mention there's been some progress.
EDIT: Public releases are here. You'll need an up-to-date Java Runtime Environment installed, but otherwise it's platform-agnostic.
Video Diary 1
Video Diary 2
Please excuse my stutter and numbing, leaden monotone. (If you want to get an idea of what the long-term production values should be, there's a couple of other videos on the channel, and you can check out deviantart.)
What I have working at the moment:
* Tactical combat overlay
* Crafting and equipping of items
* Construction of regional facilities and overall cash-flow simulation
* Training of new perks during 'free time'
Mostly working, but disabled for the moment until I can iron out some bugs:
* Procedural mystery/plot generation to link events together, and detective work to piece them together.
Planned:
* Motives, reluctance and initiative to give the agents moar feelz, plus berserk/panic effects
* More content in terms of tilesets, events, abilities, items and tech tree
* ???
* Profit!Last edited by Lacuna Caster; 2017-02-25 at 06:42 PM.
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2017-02-06, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Looks promising!
What engine are you using? I've been working with GameMaker: Studio for a bit over a year. Made a platformer (kinda janky), ARPG (quite janky), and currently working on a regular RPG (shaping up). Next I'm thinking an SRPG.
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2017-02-07, 06:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Just the basic 2D graphics libraries included in standard Java, so it's more-or-less-entirely custom-built. (My previous game project was built on top of LibGDX, but I eventually wound up writing my own shaders, UI widgets and bone-animation system, so I could probably have gone straight to the OpenGL bindings with minimal fuss.)
Public releases available here, for anyone who wants to poke around. Source is here.Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-02-09, 04:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh man, it's awesome to see finally see a physical... material... shape of this concept game.
I still think that you don't really need to do the tactical turn based rpg and just focus on the strategic sim map, but you're the dev and it's up to you what you want to make :p.
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2017-02-09, 07:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cheers! I find the tactical gameplay is giving me the most instant gratification at the moment, but I'll be fleshing out the base-building and detective-work mechanics over time.
I'm hoping to have a modest update before the end of next week with a proper directional-cover system, with maybe a few extra gadgets and abilities. (I'm hoping to find some quasi-plausible justifications for using crossbows andbatarangswing-blades, like launching throwable items or aiming around corners.)Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-02-09, 10:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well if you're concerned about "power level," if you're setting it in not-DC as opposed to DC (which it looks like) it'd be as easy as the power level of this setting isn't actually that high. Not-Superman can fly and bullet proof but can still be knocked down by rpg launcher, for example.
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2017-02-10, 06:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Adding more metahumans or spellcrafters is a long-term stretch goal (starting with not-black-canary, not-zatanna, not-katana and possibly a heavily nerfed not-manhunter and/or not-etrigan), but that's a while down the road. At the moment, balancing firearms vs. other weapon types is the problem. (Simplest answer is probably that guns are so powerful they're likely to kill perps from bleeding, which drives down trust levels.)
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2017-02-19, 08:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Some complications with family (and my lamentable tendency to get stuck in peripheral debates) is slowing me up slightly. I'm planning to put up a new video and public release in the next day or two, but for now just a status report:
New training system allowing for selection of a 'goal ability' to work toward (and there's an actual 'tech tree' for the purpose.)
Thin, partition-style walls and doors are combined with a directional cover system, similar to the new X-Com. Couple of new gadgets (like the bolas) or training perks (like flesh wound) are included, plus various bug-fixes.
EDIT: Bottom pic disappeared for some reason, added fresh version.Last edited by Lacuna Caster; 2017-02-19 at 10:17 AM.
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2017-02-25, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Took a little longer than I thought, but I used the time to chuck in a number of other bug-fixes and minor UI additions. New public release is here, video diary here.
I'm going to try and revisit the 'detective work' mechanics again, see if I can't iron out some of those wrinkles. If anybody has suggestions for gadgets or perks they'd like to see in the meantime, this might be a good time.
In the longer term, I'm a little worried that the timescale for investment projects is likely to be too long relative to the spacing between crime events. Base facilities in X-Com typically complete in no more than a month, but factories and schools could take a year to construct. Maybe you'd enter a sort of 'time acceleration' mode once all the current gang-bosses are behind bars, allowing a couple of months to pass before another breakout/crimewave occurs? (Think what you could do with 18 months of clean streets.)
I actually need to implement a prison/trial/sentencing system for that, of course...Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-02-26, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-02-27, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's an interesting idea, particularly if you were dealing with an area of urban decay- i.e, an existing facility that went bankrupt or was vandalised.
Part of me actually likes the idea of a campaign spanning decades of time, since you could eventually implement aging and offspring and other dynastic-soap-opera elements of the comics, plus plausible rates of tech development within the larger society. (e.g, gradually moving to Bruce-and-Terry in a cyberpunk environment.)Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-03-04, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think I'll have a new video this weekend- I need to take some time to plan out updates to the detective system properly, and I'll probably implement those changes on a separate branch.
I've been doing some napkin calculations in grapher about the game's overall difficulty curve, assuming 'organic' causes for crime rates and the nastiness of opposition increasing over time. The results look plausible, but slight changes in some of the numbers yield massive imbalances, so it might be a bit brittle.
For next weekend I might make some modest adjustments to the default actions system (e.g, merging fire+strike, along with guard+overwatch, depending on the weapon equipped), and allow for queueing of crafting-tasks. (I've also commissioned some new tile-set art, so I should have that to show off.)Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-03-16, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, late as usual, but quick update: I have made those modifications to crafting and weapon-toggling, and there's been a good deal of background work on the detective mechanics. I think I just need to flesh out the UI a bit more and they should be ready for action.
Some of the new environment art has taken longer than I hoped, but I do have a small sample:
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On another note- I've been contemplating whether I should do the PC-representation thing and make not-Robin/not-Nightwing explicitly native american? It's a hard-to-please fanbase, but I feel like the general animistic-totem overtones of superhero getups are too obvious not to comment on.Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-03-27, 07:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Moderately busy with course-work, but the UI for detective-antics is more-or-less done- just needs a shakedown for testing purposes. Hoping for a demo video middle of next week.
Oh, speaking of tribal superheroes- while I'm pretty familiar with the 90's TV version, I completely forgot about The Phantom, who was apparently adopted as an icon by New Guinea highlanders. (Also, fun fact- Swifts are the only birds that echolocate. Like a dolphin.)
I've been giving a little thought to the scope of phase 1 content (in the sense of, 'this should be enough to get kickstarted'.) I'm planning to have 8 primary heroes, together with 8 villains in 4 factions (a mastermind and a lieutenant or two each.) It'll be a while before a get them all fleshed out, and I'm sure I'll be making revisions as I go, but for now I sketched out some concepts.
Spoiler: Hero Perks & MotivesCode:Phobos Claws Out- bonus lethal damage while unarmed, bonus to climb Flight Path- improved use of wing blades, gliders and jets Sound Science- bonus to research & forensics, free sonic helm Aura Of Fear- bonus to questioning and panic effects Justice Served dislikes getaways, especially of repeat offenders A Coward's Weapon will not use guns or lethal force vs. the unwary Deimos Packing Heat- better ammo conservation and firearms damage Resilience- reduced odds of critical hits, faster recovery Aura of Fear- bonus to questioning and panic effects Boys In Blue- bonus to persuade cops or share evidence Justice Served dislikes getaways, especially of repeat offenders I Am The Law dislikes illegal methods or payoffs Black Swift Staff Combat- bonus aim and guard chance with blunt weapons Flight Path- improved use of wing blades, gliders and jets Dynamic Duo- bonus to all sidekick assignments Urban Tribe- bonus to canvass near areas with a Swifts Camp Life Is Sacred will not use lethal force, including vs. animals United Front dislikes infighting and dissent Dr. Yang Packing Heat- better ammo conservation and firearms damage Anonymous- bonus to undercover work, less chance to spook Cypher Expert- bonus to scan, wiretap and database checks Off The Grid- bonus to canvass in lawless areas Meant To Know seeks out clues and new technology, likes education Anarchist dislikes taking orders and distrusts officials Alamo Bullseye- bonus aim with bows and precision firearms War Paint- bonus to stealth and disguise attempts Inventory- extra use of all charged items Survivalist- bonus to canvass in rural or park areas Bare Necessities dislikes extremes of wealth and poverty Anarchist dislikes taking orders and distrusts officials Pythia Cypher Expert- bonus to scan, wiretap and database checks Acrobat- bonus to learn all reflex-related skills Spinal Port- bonus to use cybernetic items, free neural jak Intel Club- bonus to canvass based on region education Social Justice dislikes violence against minorities United Front dislikes infighting and dissent Cambridge MI6 Tactician- grant extra AP or combat buffs to agents Bedside Manner- help agents to recover or de-stress Estate Manager- increase funding from specific regions High Places- bonus to persuade officials & socialites Debt Of Honour always keeps word and returns favours Family Values extra value placed on old relations
Spoiler: Villain Perks & MotivesCode:Moretti Legitimate Business: Faster investments, resistant to investigation Hired Muscle: Additional Bruisers, especially as bodyguards Tommy Guns: Gangsters and Hitmen have bonus ammo and damage Stuffed Mattresses: Better black market sales, more secret funds Hands Clean: Caution motive magnified, avoids direct involvement Family Values: Sensitive to relatives/allies' needs and betrayals Schrödinger Traceless IP: Bonus to data crime and hideout security systems Deal Broker: Bonus to persuasion and escaping conviction Patent Pending: Chance to hinder or steal from rivals' tech research Self Promotion: Bonus to gain political office and invest in fronts Monopoly Capitalist: Greed motive magnified, especially for tech/industry Social Climber: Sometimes invests in education or charity events Snake Eyes A Rigged Game: Bonus income from gambling and extortion Street Cred: Bonus to intimidate and find rivals' hideouts Long Shots: Bonus to marksmanship and low probabilities Hear Them Fall: Immune to concealment from cover or darkness Debt With Interest: Revenge motive magnified, especially vs. mobsters Lucky Seven: Chance to release hostages and forgive offenders The Meme Infectious Charm: Bonus to persuasion skills, chance to gain copycats Viral Media: Bonus to data crime, brainwashing and public ransoms Dopamine Pathways: Immune to normal penalties for fear, guilt and pain Eureka Moment: Chance for spontaneous bonus to new technologies You Only Live Once: Impulse motive magnified, indifferent to collateral Why So Serious: Targets admired rivals, spares entertainment venues
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2017-04-01, 06:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Whoa! Apparently there is already a TBT street-level-vigilante focused game out there, with a strikingly similar title and premise. I think I have enough distinct features to set the work apart, but some rebranding might be in order at least. Have to see.
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2017-04-04, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's also Night Vigil that came out last year, but it dabbles more with the glowy superpowers. For your rebranding, what do you think of cold war era "ala Watchmen"? The government may mandate your team to track down communist spies on top of your regular crime fighting activity, and that could be the plot of the campaign. And why not throwing in a few extra-terrestrials, rosswell style, into the mix?
Also I've played your prototype, it's very raw actually, but I believe it shows potential with its stealth approaches and quick takeovers. Also, the lethal violence is a cruel but interesting dilemma: it can saves your ass at times, but at what cost?
I'm not very fond of the city building game, it feels too loosely connected with your super vigilante team (and in fact you don't use the same budget for the two). I'm very eager to test the detective system, that seems to fit much more into the theme. Maybe the heroes could engage in other city related actions, like a crime prevention campaign at schools, or contracted guard duty for companies (Dollar Bill!)...
I've just thrown a quick look upon your heroes' perks lists, and it's maybe just an idea but I believe there's too much perks for each heroes, while most of them are just bonuses and not very unique. I'm guessing that using fewer but more impactful perks could reinforce the specificity of each hero, like carrying one more item, going through opponent's occupied tiles or a second wind after being knocked down (or more creative stuff). I'd like to point ou Invisible Inc. which I believe did a good job on making each of its character playing special.
A few ideas without particular order:
-Fighters should use an empty adjacent tile to evade the attacks, it will make positioning more important during the melees, and surrounding an opponent may become fatal.
-Maybe characters could perform special team actions? Like a combined attack or the classical "heroic bullet shield" from movies?
-What about a "X hit combo" system where each successful punch adds up to the chances of performing a special heavier melee attack?
Apologies for writing a wall, I might just check later how the game evolves (do you plan to include multi-level battlegrounds?) and good luck with this project!
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2017-04-06, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I was planning to include a Manhunter-expy at some stage... But frack, two superhero-style TBT games with 'Vigil' in the name? *sigh*.
I'm glad you liked the turn-based elements, rough as they are- and yeah, the tradeoff between restraint and survival is supposed to be one of the foci for gameplay. I'll check out Invisibles Inc. if I get the chance, and I quite like your perk suggestions. (An earlier version of 'Evasion' actually used empty space to dodge attacks, so I might just re-use that.)
I'm somewhat loathe to give up the city-building aspects, mainly for thematic reasons, but the same broad circle of life from X-Com- that missions impact regional stats that impact funding that impact spending on gear/goodies, which in turn impact missions- should remain intact.
3-dimensional areas are another long-term stretch goal, and I've shaken out most of the bugs in detective work (though it's going to be pretty bare-bones at first.)
In any case, thanks for all the feedback- I appreciate it.
EDIT: I think I might actually hold off on updates for the next couple of weeks, but we'll see what happens after that.Last edited by Lacuna Caster; 2017-04-06 at 04:35 PM.
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2017-04-14, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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I never did manage to get a proper hang of the combat/driving mini-games in Covert Action, but happily the wiki gives a complete breakdown on criminal plots, mission sets and individual sub-steps, so I should be able to adapt a significant portion of those. My rough plan is to break down environments into a couple of categories, with a set of crime-types that are typically (though not exclusively) associated with each. That means there's only a dozen or so environmental tile-sets that I need to work out for now (maybe with some 'urban renewal'-style upgrades to boost living standards.)
Slum Areas Tenement, Warehouse/Docks, Casino/Brothel/Funhouse Hideout Raids, Petty Crime, Smuggling, Market Buy/Sell, Manufacture/Forgery Civic Areas Prison Yard/Asylum, Police Barracks, Courthouse/City Hall Jail Breaks, Bombings, Assassinations, Plant Evidence, Dig Dirt Business & Culture Areas Penthouse/Mansion, Museum, Bank, Factory, Chemical Plant, Business District Robberies, Data Hack, Kidnappings, Bribery, Blackmail
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2017-04-14, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I must say I'm amazed on how far you've gone with this, lacuna! Sorry that I haven't been helpful or even commenting. But at least you should know that I'm watching this with interest.
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2017-04-16, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cheers. (I did spend a little time playing around with Daily Cthonicle as well, and it's not a million miles away from the concept, so thanks for pointing it out.)
On a more technical note, it's dawned on me that the reason detective work has taken so long to debug is that it inherently revolves around ignorance, doubt and uncertainty, particularly as presented to the user, which makes comprehensive testing rather tricky. I eventually sat down and wrote some quasi-intelligent automated test routines to follow investigations from start to finish, so I can be a little more confident in making further changes. (Bob Martin is quite entertaining in general- if you plan to do coding, it's worth watching some of his talks.)Last edited by Lacuna Caster; 2017-04-16 at 09:42 AM.
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2017-04-19, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Glad to hear that you're making progress.
Your advertising for Bob Martin got me. But as a very noobish developer (web), his blog post are throwing me lots of concepts that I don't have yet. Where would you advise a beginner to look at for understanding the basics of test driven development? (sorry for being off-topic but... you started it! )Last edited by raaaahman; 2017-04-19 at 03:49 PM.
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2017-04-21, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've been in the industry either part or full-time for about ten years now, so a lot of what Bob's talking about here is both fairly non-technical and rings very true to me. I'm afraid my experience with web development is pretty minimal, so I'm not certain how well your favourite languages/frameworks/DBS would have built-in support for TDD, but the basic objective is simple: You have code which automatically verifies that your system is producing correct results in all the ways that could matter. (He outlines a specific mantra for doing so here, along with an explanation of the benefits. I haven't quite gotten into this habit yet, but to paraphrase:)
* You write as much of a test as is needed to make it fail (including failure to compile.)
* You then write as much of the code as is needed to make the test pass, and no more.
* You look for opportunities to clean and refactor.
* You back to step 1 and repeat.
It's important to note this does not mean you will necessarily have a test (or Gods forbid, batteries of them) for every last function in your code (for example, if function A will always call function B and relies on it to perform correctly, then testing A should verify B.) In general, the functions that your tests plug into should adhere to the interface of your public API for dealing with, say, external clients or other code modules. You want thorough coverage of required behaviour, not implementation.
* You can sanitise, refactor, extend or replace code, and if it breaks, you will immediately know what caused it.
* The requirements of testing force you to decouple, so that modules can be verified in isolation before being assembled.
* The suite of tests functions as a kind of documentation for the system API, which is fully unambiguous and 100% up-to-date.
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2017-05-01, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I finally find his "bowling game kata", and the step-by-step demo made the whole concept clearer to me. I'll have to learn to break my code into units for testing though. Thanks for your explanations!
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2017-05-31, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I've gone far too long without an update, so I'll keep this brief and to the point:
* I've hit my budget limit when it comes to paying for content development, as it turned out that environment tilesets were slower and costlier to create than I had initially hoped, even with fairly minimal production values. I'll need to accumulate more savings before I can try to tackle the project in earnest again, and that might not happen this year.
* I had a chat with the developer of Vigilantes, and it appears that he's doing most of what I planned to, is way way ahead in terms of development and exposure, and might still have a hard time breaking even. So I'm not sure I really have a useful niche here, relative to other efforts.
* After repeatedly bashing myself against the problem, I am getting absolutely no satisfaction from the detective work. I've invested enormous effort in the technical implementation and it still feels rickety and contrived. I could try to cut down the complexity or excise it entirely, but maybe I'm going about it the wrong way.
At this point... I'm inclined to conclude that I'm in a hole and should stop digging. I might finish up with one more video and leave it there for the forseeable future.Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-06-03, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ow, okay. I totally get it.
If you ask me, you should maybe leave the tactical combat part (the niche that's taken by vigilante) and just work the strategic/investigation city map, make it closer to black closet and daily cthonicle than x-com. But you know my preference from the beginning
Well, good luck on your future endeavor man!Last edited by Fri; 2017-06-03 at 12:58 PM.
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2017-06-10, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-06-16, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have to say I'm sorely tempted. If I just focus on the strategic map I could conceivably get all the art done myself. I've actually hacked the detective work into a more manageable state and updated the map a little now, so that side of things feels more viable.
I have enough assets now for maybe 3 or 4 proper small-scale maps, with or without procedural generation- a bank/museum/courthouse, an industrial warehouse, a small bar, and bits and pieces of corporate office. The problem is that I need to have a map-type for every building-type on the strategic level (or at least the kinds that get targeted for crimes), which would result in some awkward shoehorning.
Might be sunk-cost talking, but I rather enjoyed the tactical micro elements. Maybe... if I made the environments really small? Like 32 x 32, as in some of the original X-Com maps? Wee little bite-size things?Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-06-21, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, after careful consideration, if I want to go down the tactical-map route I think my best option would be to see how the release of Vigilantes goes and maybe see if I can mod that into shape- being able to re-use the maps and animation assets would save a good deal of time and effort. Try to marry the best of both projects, as it were.
I still want to do one more video to showcase how the overall multi-mission 'track down the mastermind' loop would go. I have some other commitments looming large at the moment though, so it could be a few weeks before I get around to it.Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2017-06-22, 04:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Waiting forward to see it. Keep it up!