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    to those of you saying that the ewoks would be destroyed by the debris from the death star consider that most of the debris would likely remain in orbit as space junk. Much of this would likely hit the forest moon but not all at the same time; little pieces not KT style enormous chunks

    furthermore the ewoks, iirc, live on a moon. It's likely that many chunks might miss the forest moon and be caught up by the gravity of Endor itself
    Or depending on the gravitational interplay between Endor and its moon, creating a ring of Death Star debris around Endor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohandas View Post
    to those of you saying that the ewoks would be destroyed by the debris from the death star consider that most of the debris would likely remain in orbit as space junk. Much of this would likely hit the forest moon but not all at the same time; little pieces not KT style enormous chunks

    furthermore the ewoks, iirc, live on a moon. It's likely that many chunks might miss the forest moon and be caught up by the gravity of Endor itself
    Yup. plus the DS2 is a lot smaller canonically than Saxton (inventor of the Endor Holocaust hypothesis) insisted it was.

    His version of the event, would basically have instant-fried the entire hemisphere facing the DS2 explosion. Yet there is a feast on Endor immediately afterwards, the Rebels, Ewoks, and trees, are still there.
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    Saxton had a lot of nonsense packed into his theories. Nothing exceeded his "there is no such thing as an Imperial-class Star Destroyer, because Imperial is a stupid name for a warship" idea, that sort-of made it into oldcanon due to his being hired to write one of the cross-section books, but there was a lot of stuff up there.

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    He was actually one of the writers of 3 - the AOTC incredible cross sections one (vehicle-centric), the AOTC Inside the Worlds one (location-centric), and the RoTS incredible cross sections one - and consultant on a fourth - Inside the Worlds of the Star Wars Trilogy.

    Of those, only two (the ICS ones) have him listed as sole writer.

    Once the last Worlds one came out - Complete Locations, which compiled the other 4 Inside The Worlds books, and added new ROTS content - he stopped being listed as a writer or a consultant.

    It is possible that he quit the franchise over it - since it did not canonise his Endor Holocaust theory. At least, that's what I've read online, from people who have read Saxton's postings on the subject of the Endor Holocaust.

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    Saxton had a lot of nonsense packed into his theories. Nothing exceeded his "there is no such thing as an Imperial-class Star Destroyer, because Imperial is a stupid name for a warship" idea, that sort-of made it into oldcanon due to his being hired to write one of the cross-section books, but there was a lot of stuff up there.
    "There's no such thing as Super-class, because Executor was the first ship, not Super" also bothered me a bit. Real ships, like the Flower-class corvettes or the County-class cruisers, do sometimes bend the "first ship names the class" rule, after all.

    Newcanon has used "Super-class" at least once (Visual Encyclopaedia).


    Because he wrote Inside The Worlds of AotC, and was a consultant on Inside the Worlds of The Star Wars Trilogy, which were included in the Complete Locations compilation, which was updated to the newcanon in 2016, Saxton's footprints will always be present in the newcanon, even if they're not as deep as in Legends.
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    I kind of thought the Imperial designation was part of every ship name, a la HMS Hood, the ISD Devastator.

    While the reasoning behind the idea is silly, I could get behind Executor class as just sounding better than Super class, but I'm not that pushed either way.

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    My personal favorite headcanons:

    #1: Jar Jar Binks was, in fact, a dark side force user stronger than any others in star wars. Yes, he did manipulate Palpatine and yes, he did create anakin via the force. His Sith name also was Darth Plagueis, before he transcended the Sith Order entirely and became his own force user

    #2: The Phantom Ruby from the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise is in fact the remains of Time Eater, who is in turn the remains of Mephiles the Dark. Before his timeline was entirely erased, a part of Solairs' will (aka Mephiles) escaped through a rift in time instinctively and became Time Eater in the current era. After Time Eater's defeat in Generations, what remained of it was the Phantom Ruby. The incomplete remains of Mephiles still exsist in the ruby, and are by instinct alone trying to complete themselves and become Mephiles again. This is why the Ruby can seemingly act on its own and why Infinite moves, acts and carries himself a lot like Mephiles despite having 0 established ties to the character; the incomplete leftovers of Meph are influencing Infinite on a unconscious level, making him instinctively act like the Ruby's former identity due to his connection to it.
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    Now that I'm watching Stranger Things 2, I'm now convinced that they're in the same universe as the Sergei Lukyanenko's Night Watch series.
    I'm not even sure his series takes place in the same universe as the first book, because of all the contradictions. But whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Real ships, like the Flower-class corvettes or the County-class cruisers, do sometimes bend the "first ship names the class" rule, after all.
    Not to mention the entire "name ship" convention being far from universal even in the real world.

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    Oh, I forgot one more headcanon I love...

    Madoka Magicka and Gurren Laggan are in the same universe, but in divergent timelines. The Incubators and the anti-spiral are actually the same race, just at different points in their development and in different timelines. Gurren Laggan takes place in a timeline in which the Anti-Spiral lost, obviously. Madoka Magicka instead happens in an alternate timeline where the Anti-Spiral beat Simon/the Spiral forces. Due to successfully suppressing the development of spiral beings, the Anti-Spiral discover they've created another universe-destroying catastrophe by averting the Spiral Nemesis; Entropy. Spiral Energy, despite being dangerous, also kept Entropy from breaking down the universe due to the constant generation of spiral energy counteracting the constant energy loss of entropy. Thus, by eliminating any meaningful spiral energy production, the Anti-Spiral quickly discovered they created a situation where Entropy will now slowly kill the universe due to the fact there is nothing to counteract it.

    As a result, the Anti-Spiral in this timeline put a plan into action to spur Spiral Energy production in a select few Spiral lifeforms; not enough to lead to Spiral Nemesis, but just enough to counteract entropy. Due to their new knowledge and new goals they no longer call themselves the anti-spirals. The spirals are defeated. Their war is over;. They are no longer defined by being the solution to the spiral problem, but instead by being the stewards and cartakers of the world they've constructed. As a result, they now go by the moniker of "Incubators" due to the fact they are the one thing on which the life of all things in the universe depend, as well as the source of the lives they lead now. Kyubey and the Anti-Spiral King are simply two different faces/forms/manifestations of the same entity/collective anti-spiral hive mind.
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    The Tharizdunites were only able to control the Cult of Elemental Evil due to the number of other deities attached to the cult. If it was a nominally single deity cult that deity would have caught on and outed the fake clerics. But since there's so many the Iuz and his followers assume that they're from Zuggtmoy or Lolth, Lolth and her followers assume they're from Iuz or Zuggtmoy, and Zuggtmoy or her followers assume that they're from Iuz or Lolth; and they assume the others are lying if they deny it.
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    This Old Man is about Hervé Villechaize :D
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    What if Warhammer 40k was set in a post apocalyptic Star Trek universe in which a chain of omega molecule destabilizations destroyed subspace and as a result forced all space travel to instead route through the deadly thought-reactive dimension from Where No One Has Gone Before
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    Well, they do both have an overabundance of pointy-eared humanoid aliens with insufferable moral superiority complexes, who even come in 'smug jerk' and 'angry CE' flavors to boot...

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    There definitely is a similarity between subspace and the warp. They both allow for much faster travel than the rest of the universe, the difference is Star Trek seems to use it only to send data through, we never see what it would be like in there for a ship.

    I also happened to be heading this way about Warhammer 40k, but more of a head-meta-canon:
    The WH40k universe is actively being balanced to make every faction equally evil, so that who you see as the good guys says something fundamental about your view of the world and of what evil is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl 2 Expert View Post
    There definitely is a similarity between subspace and the warp. They both allow for much faster travel than the rest of the universe, the difference is Star Trek seems to use it only to send data through, we never see what it would be like in there for a ship.
    Star Trek's warp drives do make use of subspace in some manner according to Voyager

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohandas View Post
    Star Trek's warp drives do make use of subspace in some manner according to Voyager

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_Directive
    Not just Voyager, I remember an episode of TNG where Warp travel over a certain speed was causing damage to subspace, resulting in a Federation wide speed limit of Warp 5, except in emergencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter Noventa View Post
    Not just Voyager, I remember an episode of TNG where Warp travel over a certain speed was causing damage to subspace, resulting in a Federation wide speed limit of Warp 5, except in emergencies.
    But they're not in subspace. Maybe they don't want to damage it because that would let the demons out.
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    All forms of warp drive use subspace in some way. This was established as far back as TNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnoman View Post
    All forms of warp drive use subspace in some way. This was established as far back as TNG.
    *puts on TNG Sceience uniform*

    Correct, I had to look it up, but under the page for Warp Drive it reads:

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    Warp drive was a technology that allowed space travel at faster-than-light speeds. It worked by generating warp fields to form a subspace bubble that enveloped the starship, distorting the local spacetime continuum and moving the starship at velocities that could greatly exceed the speed of light.
    Since Omega reactions destroy subspace, there'd be no more communications or FTL, because they can't make the subspace bubble without there being subspace.

    *takes off TNG science uniform*

    But it is entirely plausible that the annihilation of subspace would result in having to use the thought-reactive hell dimension for travel, and lead to 40k.
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    The Warp was created by the Q Continuum. The civil war eventually broke out among them again. Janeway was right, it took more than just having a kid to fix the problems they were having. The war escalated, spread, and eventually tore apart themselves and subspace, leaving behind the warp. The aftermath left the surviving Q as twisted wrecks, who eventually became the chaos gods. Immensely powerful still, yet in many ways crippled by the war, they began to embody specific wants and desires as a remnant of their previous personalities. The destruction of subspace crippled the various empires in the star trek universe. Many could no longer survive as they were without the ability to travel between the stars. They collapsed, and over the centuries rebuilt. Eventually rediscovering ways to travel through space. Its even possible the warp had effects on their evolution, leaving us with the races of the warhammer universe instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnoman View Post
    All forms of warp drive use subspace in some way. This was established as far back as TNG.
    Okay, let me put it like this: If something goes wrong while teleporting you're stuck in subspace (to my knowledge this happened only ones, in Enterprise, and getting the guy back out was seen as more important than keeping him alive). The same is true for warp travel in 40k, if your warp engine breaks down, you're stuck in there. If a Star trek warp engine breaks down, you drop out of warp. So they're using subspace to bend normal space, or some jazz, but the ship is still (mostly) in normal space.

    I'm fine with them being completely different things, but this seems better for the theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl 2 Expert View Post
    Okay, let me put it like this: If something goes wrong while teleporting you're stuck in subspace (to my knowledge this happened only ones, in Enterprise, and getting the guy back out was seen as more important than keeping him alive). The same is true for warp travel in 40k, if your warp engine breaks down, you're stuck in there. If a Star trek warp engine breaks down, you drop out of warp. So they're using subspace to bend normal space, or some jazz, but the ship is still (mostly) in normal space.

    I'm fine with them being completely different things, but this seems better for the theory.
    I don't think we mean to say TNG!Subspace = 40k!Warp. Just that there was an episode of TNG where they traveled at FTL speeds through a realm where thought would become real that was basically the 40k!Warp, minus demons. And that if subspace broke down due to Omega reactions, they might resort to that thoughtspace for travel.
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    Darths & Droids:

    1. "Buckina" is the brand of staff being used (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1557.html).
    2. The whole campaign ("Rogue One"/"Butch Cassian and the Sundance Droid") is all about an attempt by some NPC's to create an alternative star drive that would be controlled by the desert planets (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1534.html)
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    Harry Potter: Becoming a spirit isn't the usual effect of dying with a Horcrux. Voldemort's predicament was the result of taking the Killing Curse to the face, possibly with the power of Lily's love doing extra damage.

    --Blocking a spell, like Lockhart tried to teach Harry in the second book, is a common move in most duels but the narration skips over it. Lucius Malfoy deflects Bellatrix's spell in the fifth book, so it's not just Lockhart BSing in front of his class.


    Dragonball Z:
    Majin Buu can't be killed by normal energy blasts. The only reason the spirit bomb killed him was because it's formed from pure positive energy. (I think there was a Toriyama interview somewhere which said that there's five types of ki in his fighters, one of which is the usual battle ki and another which powers the spirit bomb) Therefore, even Vegito would have been hard-pressed to put Kid Buu down for good.

    In addition, Buu gets less durable as he absorbs more people and their instincts of being breakable creatures override his regeneration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter Noventa View Post
    I don't think we mean to say TNG!Subspace = 40k!Warp. Just that there was an episode of TNG where they traveled at FTL speeds through a realm where thought would become real that was basically the 40k!Warp, minus demons. And that if subspace broke down due to Omega reactions, they might resort to that thoughtspace for travel.
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    Harry Potter: Becoming a spirit isn't the usual effect of dying with a Horcrux. Voldemort's predicament was the result of taking the Killing Curse to the face, possibly with the power of Lily's love doing extra damage.
    I'll take that, absolutely. If you've got to revert to the flesh-blood-and-bone ritual every time someone gets in a lucky hit, that's just entirely too much dependence for most Horcrux types to stand. Plus you'd eventually run out of bone. And it's reasonable to interpret Cornelius Fudge's comment on how Voldemort "can't be killed" as referring to actual attempts on his life during the original reign of terror.
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    I'll take that, absolutely. If you've got to revert to the flesh-blood-and-bone ritual every time someone gets in a lucky hit, that's just entirely too much dependence for most Horcrux types to stand. Plus you'd eventually run out of bone. And it's reasonable to interpret Cornelius Fudge's comment on how Voldemort "can't be killed" as referring to actual attempts on his life during the original reign of terror.
    The interesting thing to me though, is the diary. Imagine if that was how they are supposed to work? You use the item, it slowly takes you over, and you become voldemort as he was at the age he made the horcrux. That means immortal sure, but you could lose a LOT if you made one too early like he did. If tom riddle had taken over ginny, how long do you think it would have taken for him to catch up to where he was when he originally died? In power, plans, control, loyalty, etc. All those rituals, all those strategies, all those caches of knowledge and supplies any smart man should have. All of them gone forever because 16 year old riddle doesnt know they even exist, let alone where they are, or how to get past their protections.

    Another interesting factor is the soul itself. That diary was only one part of voldemorts soul. Does that make his rebirth a one time thing? Would he still have enough soul to create another backup after being reborn as ginny riddle? What about his primary soul? The wraith? Could he track it down and consume it to repair himself and regain knowledge? Would that other fragment allow it to happen? It may be "him" but he is still accepting the dissolution of "himself" into this new host body. Or what about this. Would the soul truly leave the diary, making it a regular book again after taking over ginny? Or was it just a copy of itself being downloaded into her, leaving the book free to be a repeatable trap? There was an interesting fanfic I read that had this happen, where after harry destroyed the diary, each of his other horcruxes tried to embody themselves because they felt an anchor go. It ended up with like 3-4 versions of voldemort plus his wraith form all being around at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DomaDoma View Post
    I'll take that, absolutely. If you've got to revert to the flesh-blood-and-bone ritual every time someone gets in a lucky hit, that's just entirely too much dependence for most Horcrux types to stand. Plus you'd eventually run out of bone. And it's reasonable to interpret Cornelius Fudge's comment on how Voldemort "can't be killed" as referring to actual attempts on his life during the original reign of terror.
    That was pretty much my thought process. Immortality as a ghost dependant on a loyal minion to be revived is a pretty poor form of immortality.


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    The interesting thing to me though, is the diary. Imagine if that was how they are supposed to work? You use the item, it slowly takes you over, and you become voldemort as he was at the age he made the horcrux. That means immortal sure, but you could lose a LOT if you made one too early like he did. If tom riddle had taken over ginny, how long do you think it would have taken for him to catch up to where he was when he originally died? In power, plans, control, loyalty, etc. All those rituals, all those strategies, all those caches of knowledge and supplies any smart man should have. All of them gone forever because 16 year old riddle doesnt know they even exist, let alone where they are, or how to get past their protections.

    Another interesting factor is the soul itself. That diary was only one part of voldemorts soul. Does that make his rebirth a one time thing? Would he still have enough soul to create another backup after being reborn as ginny riddle? What about his primary soul? The wraith? Could he track it down and consume it to repair himself and regain knowledge? Would that other fragment allow it to happen? It may be "him" but he is still accepting the dissolution of "himself" into this new host body. Or what about this. Would the soul truly leave the diary, making it a regular book again after taking over ginny? Or was it just a copy of itself being downloaded into her, leaving the book free to be a repeatable trap? There was an interesting fanfic I read that had this happen, where after harry destroyed the diary, each of his other horcruxes tried to embody themselves because they felt an anchor go. It ended up with like 3-4 versions of voldemort plus his wraith form all being around at once.
    For what it's worth, Rowling said that sucking out Ginny's life force would have "strengthened" 'Voldemort Prime', so it sounds like the energy he got from Ginny would have moved to the main Voldemort and made him a stronger ghost or given him a body of sorts. It's not very clear what the actual effects would have been, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durkoala View Post
    That was pretty much my thought process. Immortality as a ghost dependant on a loyal minion to be revived is a pretty poor form of immortality.
    Especially since regular ghost seems easy enough to achieve in the potterverse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohandas View Post
    Especially since regular ghost seems easy enough to achieve in the potterverse
    It might be harder than we think - are there any ghosts in HP who simply wanted to be ghosts? It seems more like an involuntary thing, people who are too afraid of death to cross over.

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