Fallout 1: Global Thermonuclear War

[Logic]

I'll vote for the wolfiest person in my first ever game, which was AvatarVecna.

[Grand Arbiter]

Edmund rose from his blue box of a doghouse with a yawn and went to go and see why the humans were making such a ruckus.


OOC: I will make another post with a vote later today, as I have class in a few minutes. For now, have a player list for the new page.

Spoiler: Player list.

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Player	Role	Result
Duck999
Duneyrr
Ramsus
Elenna
Thematthew
Gray Mage
Lex-Kat
Libro
Generic-Guy
Murska
Logic
AvatarVecna
Bobb
Xihirli
Kish
ThePhantom
Cuthalion

[Bobb]

I'll vote for the wolfiest person in my first ever game, which was AvatarVecna.

Do not like this.

Spoiler: Inside my head, Or, why I haven't voted for logic yet

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I actually sort of like Avatarvecna for day one lynch, as I've played two games with him now. The first, he was a wolf and convinced me he was town. In the second, he was town and I ended up convinced he was a wolf. So from the position of making me look good AV is all kinds of bad news.

And logic is-faction notwithstanding- objectively great for town in that he posts vote summaries! Which is never a bad thing to have.

I'm going to continue playing the way Bobb plays the game, by putting cards on the table.

[Logic]

Do not like this.

Spoiler: Inside my head, Or, why I haven't voted for logic yet

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I actually sort of like Avatarvecna for day one lynch, as I've played two games with him now. The first, he was a wolf and convinced me he was town. In the second, he was town and I ended up convinced he was a wolf. So from the position of making me look good AV is all kinds of bad news.

And logic is-faction notwithstanding- objectively great for town in that he posts vote summaries! Which is never a bad thing to have.

I'm going to continue playing the way Bobb plays the game, by putting cards on the table.

Arbitrary vote is arbitrary.
I find it odd you find this objectionable, considering the propensity to hail RNGesus around here. This is day 1. A vote like mine on day 3 or later would be cause for concern, but now?

A few details on my thought process: AV has yet to vote, and at my voting, did not have a vote cast against him. No real different from the voting of anyone prior to me. (Except Generic-guy is voting for Xihirli while striking through in the same post a vote for Xihirli. Odd choice, but not concerning on day 1, if you ask me.)

[Thematthew]

Al shuffles around the hallway, slightly confused and drooling, then spots Bobb. "Bobb, KNOCK KNOCK!"

[Bobb]

Arbitrary vote is arbitrary.
I find it odd you find this objectionable, considering the propensity to hail RNGesus around here.

I don't care who you vote for day one. I find your rationale suspect.

And gosh darn it do I have bad luck with forum expectations in general. From the usual, paying your dues and what not, to literally being fingered as mafia in a game I subbed into because "the guy I replaced doesn't like being mafia and once went inactive as mafia so I think that's happening again." (that was on a different forum). and the guy who made the case ended up being town so it wasn't a throwaway idea.

Now it's weird that I'm not like everyone else yet?

Edit: Ya, let's do this. logic

Edit: Edit: Wait, are you saying the AV vote is completely arbitrary? I got the impression you were saying AV is just wolfy in general or something weird.

[Logic]

Edit: Edit: Wait, are you saying the AV vote is completely arbitrary? I got the impression you were saying AV is just wolfy in general or something weird.

Yes, AV was wolfy in the very first game I ever played, not this one, since he hasn't said anything. Which I thought was obvious I was referring to a prior game, and therefore, not actually relevant to this one. A vote for AV is just as arbitrary as Xihirli voting for Lloyd, anyone that nearly always votes for the same person day 1, etc.

I don't care who you vote for day one. I find your rationale suspect.

And gosh darn it do I have bad luck with forum expectations in general. From the usual, paying your dues and what not, to literally being fingered as mafia in a game I subbed into because "the guy I replaced doesn't like being mafia and once went inactive as mafia so I think that's happening again." (that was on a different forum). and the guy who made the case ended up being town so it wasn't a throwaway idea.

Now it's weird that I'm not like everyone else yet?

EDIT: Emphasis mine. More specifically, I find it odd that you find suspect something that all players do on day 1. (That is, casting a random or arbitrary vote at another player with little rhyme or reason to it.) There is no real reason for town, with no information to share, to vote for anyone in particular on the first day. Day 1 is not that great for gathering information and leaping upon suspects. It is, however, useful information to parse through once a few wolves are known to town, a few days later into the cycle.

[Duck999]

@Bobb, there are a few people who we find "wolfy" every game as jokes. Usually, they don't get killed, and they only get votes for that on day 1. This is the arbitrariness of the AV vote. I, for one, prefer RNG: Libro.

[Murska]

Libro sounds fine to start with, yeah.

[Grand Arbiter]

When Edmund arrived at the commotion, what started as a few voices rising above the rest had begun to change into a shouting match. Curious what started this mess, Ed wove his way among the crowd. After being accosted by a stranger, he found the Overseer's office was at the center of the mess. Seeing clothes lying around, and remembering his time with the police, he guessed that the people whose clothes these are were missing...
Maybe finding these people will get them to settle down and let me go back to sleep.
His nose wasn't what it used to be, but the old bloodhound gave the clothes a whiff and did his best to follow the trail. It went around the complex, crossing and doubling over itself again and again. After hours of following his nose, Edmund wound up back at the crowd of people. It became difficult to follow the smell, but he eventually decided to sit in front of someone named "Xihirli".

((OOC: I rolled in the die roller thread, came up Xirhirli. Link.))

[Murska]

As for my reasoning, seems like he really wants to seem Towny without trying to find wolves, what with first posting a player list (that isn't actually very useful to anyone as is) and now a proven RNG-vote.

[Lex-Kat]

Bobb doesn't seem like a bad choice for this game's Day 1 lynch.

[Gray Mage]

Hi, Ramsus.

[Elenna]

RNG says Gray Mage

[Bobb]

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

We've got three wagons of two right now:

Bobb: (Thematthew, lex-kat)

Libro: (Duck991, Murska)

Xhilri: (generic-guy, Libro)



@Logic, would you say you generally hold with tradition and cast a throwaway vote while joking about wolfiness or bide your time?

Joking might be the wrong word for that. I felt you were impugning AV subtly, sort of pre-casting him as the villain for this game. It just feels wrong in my gut. But please do explain how you generally vote day one and why you seemed both frustrated with the "RNGesus" and being called out on using it. (note: I didn't object to Logic casting a random vote. I inferred something else from his vote post. But HE thought I was)

[AvatarVecna]

I look forward to seeing what nonsense people read into me voting for thematthew.

[Logic]

The only ones without a random or arbitrary early day 1 vote are the wolves.

[Ramsus]

Hi, Ramsus.

Hello to you too!

[Bobb]

I literally don't know what to do until I suspicion somebody about something.

But honestly, why is 1% suspicious activity a worse reason for a vote than actual randomness?

[Duneyrr]

I can at least TRY logicing on day 1 (note: 'logicing' is not a word)

Well, 2nd on bandwagon... Murska? Lex-Kat? Libro feels like self-defense.

Also, does this water chip look okay to you guys? I'm getting a little worried.

[Kish]

Logicing is not a word, so Logic.

[Murska]

I can at least TRY logicing on day 1 (note: 'logicing' is not a word)

Well, 2nd on bandwagon... Murska? Lex-Kat? Libro feels like self-defense.

Also, does this water chip look okay to you guys? I'm getting a little worried.

So, you're basing your vote on the criterion 'which players are doing the sort of things Town should be doing in order to find the wolves'? I don't really see the appeal.

[Logic]

Logicing is not a word, so Logic.

I see you use gardener's methods. Attack the root (word)


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Right now, the second voter on any wagon is a tad higher on my suspicion list. That makes Murska, Libro, Lex-Kat, and Kish all a tad higher than anyone that hasn't voted yet.

Personally, I feel the strongest about Kish (and even then, that's not very strong.) Maybe it's the OMGUS reaction, but I try to seperate my feelings from my reasoning in these games. Making a 4th tied wagon tied for the lead instead of committing to another seems slightly odd to me.

Murska feels just a little bit better than Kish, but he created made the first multi-vote wagon by immediately following Duck.

Libro and Lex-Kat feel just a tad better than Murska. And considering how slight all of these suspicions are and how little info we have to go on, I am only calling into question their votes to ask for a bit more explanation.

[Bobb]

I see you use gardener's methods. Attack the root (word)


EDIT:
Right now, the second voter on any wagon is a tad higher on my suspicion list. That makes Murska, Libro, Lex-Kat, and Kish all a tad higher than anyone that hasn't voted yet.

Personally, I feel the strongest about Kish (and even then, that's not very strong.) Maybe it's the OMGUS reaction, but I try to seperate my feelings from my reasoning in these games. Making a 4th tied wagon tied for the lead instead of committing to another seems slightly odd to me.

Murska feels just a little bit better than Kish, but he created made the first multi-vote wagon by immediately following Duck.

Libro and Lex-Kat feel just a tad better than Murska. And considering how slight all of these suspicions are and how little info we have to go on, I am only calling into question their votes to ask for a bit more explanation.

I disagree with most of this.

Getting a wagon going is suspicious? Starting a new wagon when there are already wagons is suspicious?

And Murska gave an explanation of his vote. That you rate him second most suspicious is suspicious.

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The only ones without a random or arbitrary early day 1 vote are the wolves.

You should already be able to lay down a vote then, Logic.

[Murska]

I feel like there's some sort of misconception going around where starting and pushing bandwagons is somehow a bad thing. How else do you people expect us to catch wolves?

[Kish]

Yeah, my vote for Logic was completely random when I cast it, but I'm getting kind of suspicious now.

[Logic]

I disagree with most of this.

Getting a wagon going is suspicious? Starting a new wagon when there are already wagons is suspicious?

And Murska gave an explanation of his vote. That you rate him second most suspicious is suspicious.

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You should already be able to lay down a vote then, Logic.

Creating an alt-wagon on day 1 when there are already 3 going is a bit odd to me, especially without much of an explanation. Getting a wagon going on day 1 is not necessarily suspicious. But in my experience, wolves are more likely to try and be opportunists and jump on a townie with a vote or two against them (especially on day 1) rather than create their own wagons.

If nothing else, this day 1 looks like it will give plenty for town to analyze.

[Bobb]

Logic has crossed out his vote for Avatarvecna but not yet moved on to the poster he has insinuated was a wolf (me).

The only ones without a random or arbitrary early day 1 vote are the wolves.

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Creating an alt-wagon on day 1 when there are already 3 going is a bit odd to me, especially without much of an explanation. Getting a wagon going on day 1 is not necessarily suspicious. But in my experience, wolves are more likely to try and be opportunists and jump on a townie with a vote or two against them (especially on day 1) rather than create their own wagons.

If nothing else, this day 1 looks like it will give plenty for town to analyze.

doublespeak.

By your logic wolf Kish would have jumped on xhiliri, Libro or I rather than add you to the frontrunner list (let's be honest. Two votes is hardly alarming at this stage).

But for avoiding the easy wolf play he made it to the top of your four man list?

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If nothing else, this day 1 looks like it will give plenty for town to analyze.

For sure. And lots of documentation of your wolf reads on others. Why, I'd say you're setting for lynch voting for some time, what with being suspicious of Bobb, Murska, Kish, Lex-kat and Libro.

So much information gathered day one! And I thought it never worked out like that until many days after!

[Logic]

Logic has crossed out his vote for Avatarvecna but not yet moved on to the poster he has insinuated was a wolf (me).



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doublespeak.

By your logic wolf Kish would have jumped on xhiliri, Libro or I rather than add you to the frontrunner list (let's be honest. Two votes is hardly alarming at this stage).

But for avoiding the easy wolf play he made it to the top of your four man list?

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For sure. And lots of documentation of your wolf reads on others. Why, I'd say you're setting for lynch voting for some time, what with being suspicious of Bobb, Murska, Kish, Lex-kat and Libro.

So much information gathered day one! And I thought it never worked out like that until many days after!

I'm confused, when did I insinuate you were a wolf? Is it that town doesn't have arbitrary early votes?

I'm afraid I don't see the doublespeak. And by your example, jumping on Xihirli (or Libro or you) isn't a bad wolf play, but it is the most likely play for a wolf coming in to the game at that time, something that wolves also know. The reasoning is a little better if they know one of you is a wolf and are trying to create additional town wagons to divide the opinions of those not in the know.

[Bobb]

I'm confused, when did I insinuate you were a wolf? Is it that town doesn't have arbitrary early votes?

No, it is not that town doesn't have arbitrary early votes. They do have arbitrary early votes. You said as much, and I said as much.

I don't care who you vote for day one.

It's that you said EVERY town player has a random or an arbitrary early vote. My vote was early, but neither random nor arbitrary.

The only ones without a random or arbitrary early day 1 vote are the wolves.

I'm the only possible target for that statement. In the context of Avatarvecna's post before it we were all definitely understanding what was (not) being said.