Tower of God: Turtles Everywhere

[Anteros]

I got worried when I saw the chapter thumbnail was Rachel, but it ended up being a really good chapter.

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Seeing Bam finally turn his back on her was so satisfying.

[Zalabim]

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I was expecting butthurt in the comments section when Rachel ran onto the scene, but I appreciated that she arrived huffing and out of breath in a dull tracksuit while Bam is strutting around like a prince. Then he delivers a goodbye/hero speech so well-deserved, I'm surprised he didn't also shove Rachel off his floating platform at the end of it.

A deeply satisfying chapter just for that, really.

[lord_khaine]

I must confess i honestly wish Rachel actually get the Thorn fragment in a fair contest. Purely because it seems like we are stuck with her as a antagonist. And i would then prefer if she at least were a little effective, and could do anything besides petty manipulations.

[Ibrinar]

Yeah, especially with Bam slowly getting over her she really needs to be more of a credible antagonist if she continues in that role.

[Anteros]

She really does need a win if she's going to stay relevant.

Alternatively, they could just kill her off or retire her for a while. She could disappear for a while and come back into the story later with some sort of power up and it would be ok. Or they could play to her strengths and just have her stay as a schemer and give her team a win. It's when she's on the front lines like this that the power disparity really shows through.

[Olinser]

She really does need a win if she's going to stay relevant.

Alternatively, they could just kill her off or retire her for a while. She could disappear for a while and come back into the story later with some sort of power up and it would be ok. Or they could play to her strengths and just have her stay as a schemer and give her team a win. It's when she's on the front lines like this that the power disparity really shows through.

Not really.

Frankly the vibe I'm getting off Rachel is that she's starting to realize just how incompetent and pathetically underpowered she is in the Tower.

That kind of thing doesn't usually end well. In fact, it usually ends with the incompetent screwing around with forces they don't really understand and can't control.

I'm getting the feeling that in the near future Rachel is going to do something really, REALLY stupid like wake up Zahard or release Eurasia with the belief that they are going to reward her or that she can manipulate and control them.

[Anteros]

Not really.

Frankly the vibe I'm getting off Rachel is that she's starting to realize just how incompetent and pathetically underpowered she is in the Tower.

That kind of thing doesn't usually end well. In fact, it usually ends with the incompetent screwing around with forces they don't really understand and can't control.

I'm getting the feeling that in the near future Rachel is going to do something really, REALLY stupid like wake up Zahard or release Eurasia with the belief that they are going to reward her or that she can manipulate and control them.

The problem with that is she's the main antagonist. As much as everyone hates her, a HUGE portion of the plot revolves around her, and if she's never given a proper position or credibility in that antagonist role it hurts the story overall.

I mean, you could have the antagonist for the first half of the story only exist to introduce the second half's antagonist, but I don't think that's very good storytelling.

[Anteros]

Bit of a slow update. SUI loves fleshing out his characters and making them believable as people. It's a fantastic trait for an author to have, but I just can't bring myself to care too much about Hell Joe.

[Zalabim]

It's good to know just what kind of power Hell Joe has, but I think the important thing we learned this chapter is

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Urek Mazino knows how to make an entrance.

He also may have a thing for the Ha family women, though I could be mistaken.

[Anteros]

I'm a little spoiled with ToG I think. I was feeling like nothing happened, but we still got Bam/Rachel, Hell Joe's entire backstory, and Mazino is here. That's like 20-30 updates for some other comics.

[Kantaki]

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Urek Mazino is great.
Being unable to use 95% of his power is a handycap to him.

Greating Wangnang like an old friend was pretty amusing too.

But how long did Karaka spend on his room that he doesn't know who is showing him no respect.

And it seems af if Bam will join the main fun at Joe's place soon.

[Anteros]

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Urek Mazino is great.
Being unable to use 95% of his power is a handycap to him.

Greating Wangnang like an old friend was pretty amusing too.

But how long did Karaka spend on his room that he doesn't know who is showing him no respect.

And it seems af if Bam will join the main fun at Joe's place soon.

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I'm not really sure what Rachel is supposed to bring to this team up? If Baam can't beat Joe alone, adding Rachel isn't going to make any difference. In fact it'll be worse since he'll end up protecting her, and she'll betray him again. He really is stupid when it comes to her.

[Kantaki]

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I'm not really sure what Rachel is supposed to bring to this team up? If Baam can't beat Joe alone, adding Rachel isn't going to make any difference. In fact it'll be worse since he'll end up protecting her, and she'll betray him again. He really is stupid when it comes to her.

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That's why I was doing my best to ignore her involvement.

But who knows? Maybe we are lucky and a stray shot hits her.
Not that I want her dead- that's way to good for her -but if she ends up blind, even if it is just temporary, that would be incredibly sweet justice.

Anyway, with the current set-up I expect that she will be the betrayed one this time.
With her current team- the whole situation actually -she has bitten off more than she can chew. Sooner or later she will choke on it.

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Rachel is a schemer. She can turn Hell Joe's underlings against him for example.

Did she say she's got Hockney's soul stashed in her luggage? Baam will surely reveal that to Hockney on the way. But Rachel will probably convince Hockney that's not true using Emily.

[Zalabim]

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Urek talks to the finger, and
Did Baam just kill? An immortal at that.

I guess we're also going to be learning more about Hell Joe's past. With his claim to steal abilities, and his materialistic greed, he's quite a contrast against our noble Baam. Hell Joe has such worldly aims.

[ImperatorV]

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Urek and Baam really showing just how badly irregulars break the game. You have immortality? Nah. I can do what I want.

Hell Joe is beyond screwed. Urek's going to show up and take away his pet that I think is what lets him steal abilities (I'll have to re-read later to remember if it's that or something else). Then Baam is going to face-stomp him, and when Garam is done fixing Yuri then two powerful princesses are going to be added to the mix.

Karaka didn't bring his real body, and as expected can't even inconvenience Urek Mazino.

In other news, the 13 month series continue to talk about the "King" that they are waiting for, coupled with Baam igniting Black March when even the princesses have trouble doing that... A lot of this arc looks like set up for the battle against Zahad. Now, will that setup be played straight, or will new complications arise...?

[Kantaki]

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Has Bam just said that he and Rachel are enemies?
Be afraid girl. Be very afraid.

Also is it just me or is Rachel really bothered by this?
Does this really surprise her after everything that happened?
Seriously, as nice as Bam is and as much as he clings to (his image of) Rachel- what should surprise her is that it took him so long.

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Has Bam just said that he and Rachel are enemies?
Be afraid girl. Be very afraid.

Also is it just me or is Rachel really bothered by this?
Does this really surprise her after everything that happened?
Seriously, as nice as Bam is and as much as he clings to (his image of) Rachel- what should surprise her is that it took him so long.

Yes, Rachel is definitely bothered by Baam's statement.
I think she does love him to some extent. She just wants to be 'the chosen one' more.

[Kantaki]

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The power of ignorance is strong in Bam.
„That guy was immortal? I didn't know that.”

The bit about the failed princess being what makes the 13 Month-users go on rampages was interesting.
And what breaks the possession? The fancy exorcism bell? Nope. True love.

That Hell Joe's mooks think they have any business getting involved in the fights is just sad.
„There's a killer in the castle” indeed.

Oh, and Joey? Go home. No one cares about you.

[Anteros]

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I'm not convinced the spell is broken yet. That seems pretty anti-climactic. I think it's more likely that the person possessing Yuri recognizes Bam.

[Kantaki]

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Possible. I just wanted to make that „true love” comment.

[ImperatorV]

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Rachel not being evil? Wat?

Also, Urek ditches his limiter and, something I didn't notice on the first read-through, Beta getting out of Khun's wrecked lighthouse.

Also, the Gran family are all nutcases and Hell Joe is apparently just really bitter about everything. Bitter enough to become a brutal murderous tyrant. Yeah still not sympathetic to Joe.

[Ravenlord]

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Joe is interesting because he is easily what Baam could have - or might still - turn into. He was an idealistic guy with a lot of power trying to help others, but was rebuked by the malice of those around him. At some point he simply snapped.

I mean, the guy is still bad, but after knowing the story, it feels like everyone around him is equally as bad or even worse. Joe may be an idiot overdosing on power, but at least he was trying to do something... unlike the others, who were content with rotting in their prison. Hell, even his current goal is to break out, which is not really unsympathetic to me. De Lee and De Sah seem much, much worse right now.

[Anteros]

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I don't sympathize with either side. It seems to be a theme that the further up the tower you go, the more it corrupts you. We'll probably see more and more morally grey characters as we ascend.

Also, WTF is Rachel doing? It's waaaay too late for any kind of redemption for her to be palatable.

[Kantaki]

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Okay, now I hope Bam & Co wreck this place. So everyone can leave.
The Tower might be a terrible place, but this tops it. Hell Joe might be a monster, but De Lee and De Sah are just as bad, if not worse. "Destiny" is clearly just a excuse for them to stay in charge.
I don't doubt that if they got their will they would continue to rule the Floor of Death after Hell Joe is dealt with.

[JavaScribe]

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Poor Princess Garam. She already seems to be regretting what she accidentally agreed to.

[Kantaki]

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I definitely agree with Rachel there. The whole Thorn/Savior thing is just a lie to stay in power. And odd as this may sound, I hope she survives. And not just because she still deserves worse.

Hell Joe doesn't look as if he is (entirely) at home right now.
Might explain why he has gotten smaller.
Well, at least it might be part of it. Sharing space with something that powerful can't be healthy- even if it can't actually influence him.

[Anteros]

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I definitely agree with Rachel there. The whole Thorn/Savior thing is just a lie to stay in power. And odd as this may sound, I hope she survives. And not just because she still deserves worse.

Hell Joe doesn't look as if he is (entirely) at home right now.
Might explain why he has gotten smaller.
Well, at least it might be part of it. Sharing space with something that powerful can't be healthy- even if it can't actually influence him.

Decent chapter.

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I don't want Rachel to die either, not that I think she's in any real danger here. Her narrative in the story obviously isn't finished. I hope we move to the next chapter soon. There's too many powerful figures around right now for the main cast to shine. Plus we need to get Rak back.

[Kantaki]

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Well, that should get interesting.
Our heroes have the spoon-thingy they wanted Urek invites "Baby" into his club and Hoaquin is going to channel Freezer.
That won't end well. Going One Winged Angel never helps. As the Red Thryssa just demonstrated.

[Lethologica]

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The rate at which Baam acquires powerups from his environment just keeps exponentiating. Gonna have Clash of Clans inside his skull over the next arc or two. Probably after the Ladle and Soul Box are dealt with.

Any idea what question Koon has for Rachel?