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2017-03-13, 03:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
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2017-03-13, 05:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
I'm inclined to agree with Keltest (I seem to be saying this a lot at the moment). A burger may technically be a sandwich and if asked to classify it in terms of food taxonomy I would probably group it among the sandwiches. But given that food taxonomy is not really a thing that exists, in a practical context I can't imagine a situation arising where this would come up. When sandwiches are mentioned I do not picture a burger.
To a lesser extent, the same would go for bagels and filled baguettes, although I think each of those would be closer to what I think of as a sandwich than burgers are. Paninis, filled rolls and ciabatta are borderline. Croissants I think are a bit of a stretch, as mentally I group them with pastries rather than breads.
I grew up calling toasties "toasted sandwiches" and so while I would not consider an unspecified sandwich to be toasted by default, I don't think toasting it causes it to lose its sandwich status.
As to why one might make the distinction? Well, if you expand the everyday definition of sandwich to include all of the above, what do you call a normal sandwich? (i.e. two slices of bread with filling between them). You have to come up with a new term and then you've really gone off the deep end.
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2017-03-13, 06:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
Just to note, when the hamburger was first made, it was served between two slices of bread, from a loaf. The place that first made them still serves them this way, and I know some people make them with slices of bread. Not bad, but also not as good at absorbing juices from what's inside as a bun is.
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2017-03-13, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
Not really what I think of when I hear 'sandwich', but I suppose it is a kind of sandwich, consisting of a non-bread food between two pieces of bread.
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2017-03-13, 10:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
If you're getting into technicalities, we sometimes call them "cold cut sandwiches." True, it starts falling apart when you have warm-hot fillings, but then people say "hot sandwiches". Which apparently excludes burgers for some reason. But people also consider Arby's food for some reason, so I think we've left the edge of the deep end far behind.
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2017-03-13, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
So, based on people's reactions and explanations, can we assume that "sandwich" is a term that has a different sort of connotation based on region? American English tends to lump a lot of different things under one umbrella, and it looks like "sandwich" is no exception. For what it's worth, "burger" can be used to describe any sort of filling between two vertical buns. Hot dogs seem to be an anomaly at first glance, but once you look into the regional variants, they sort of wind up being their own category.
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2017-03-13, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
I do not consider Hamburgers to be sandwiches. It doesn't matter if one could roughly classify a hamburger as a sandwich, because I would never say I want a sandwich when I want a hamburger, same as I would never ask for soup when wanting dry cereal with milk, same as I wouldn't put tomato in a fruit salad.
So when you say baguette, do you mean a small/skinny loaf of bread (what a baguette is), or a long skinny bread stick type thing? I'm not sure I've ever heard the term "french stick" personally, but it sounds like its trying to describe breadsticks to me. But I've also never heard of breadsticks being called baguettes (even in the south) because a breadstick is not a baguette, one is much skinnier and often (but not always) crunchy, while the other is still a loaf.
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2017-03-13, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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You say that with the language we saved for you on your tongue. Revisionist history if I've ever heard it.
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2017-03-13, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
I mean the loaf kind. Anything from these mini ones to these full-size ones. My parents would call both a 'French stick'.
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2017-03-13, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is there anyone here who would, in casual conversation or when ordering a food item, call a hamburger by the term 'sandwich'?
In general, I find myself agreeing with this:
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2017-03-13, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Merriam-Webster comes down as hamburgers being a sandwich, a sandwich being 2 or more slices or a split roll, and thus by extension hot dogs in buns are sandwiches. I find no fault in their logic.
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2017-03-13, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Watermelons are scientifically a berry. So are pumpkins, bananas, tomatoes, and avocado. A berry is "a fleshy fruit produced from a single ovary." This also means peppers are a berry as well. What aren't berries? Raspberries, Strawberries or Blackberries. They're called Accessory Fruit or Aggregate Fruit.
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2017-03-13, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
From wikipedia, not as the sole definition but as one of the more concise explanations I've found of the definition of a berry in Botany vs. typical conversation:
"In botanical terminology, a berry is a fleshy fruit without a stone produced from a single flower containing one ovary. Berries so defined include grapes, currants, and tomatoes, as well as cucumbers, eggplants (aubergines) and bananas, but exclude certain fruits commonly called berries, such as strawberries and raspberries."
Watermelons qualify.
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2017-03-13, 03:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-13, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
Merriam-Webster has as much linguistic authority in the Commonwealth as the OED has in the US, which is to say none. And to be honest the OED is increasingly modish and unreliable even for British use, though obviously still superior, because we've got to argue about something, right?
I stand by my original verdict. A hamburger is a sandwich in a similar way to how a Victoria sponge is a sandwich. It is indeed technically a sandwich, but for any practical purpose in real life, its membership of the sandwich family is irrelevant.GITP Blood Bowl Manager Cup
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2017-03-13, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?
I have always considered the hamburger a sandwich, and will generally order it as such. "I would like a #2, small size, lemonade, with no onions on the sandwich please." is my normal order at my local fast food place. I never questioned it, nor have I been asked for clarification.
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