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    Is it a Southern thing to call these baguettes? Because my parents (from the North) call them French sticks, but I (born in the South) prefer baguette. Or is it more of a class thing - do posh Northerners use the French too?
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    I'm inclined to agree with Keltest (I seem to be saying this a lot at the moment). A burger may technically be a sandwich and if asked to classify it in terms of food taxonomy I would probably group it among the sandwiches. But given that food taxonomy is not really a thing that exists, in a practical context I can't imagine a situation arising where this would come up. When sandwiches are mentioned I do not picture a burger.

    To a lesser extent, the same would go for bagels and filled baguettes, although I think each of those would be closer to what I think of as a sandwich than burgers are. Paninis, filled rolls and ciabatta are borderline. Croissants I think are a bit of a stretch, as mentally I group them with pastries rather than breads.

    I grew up calling toasties "toasted sandwiches" and so while I would not consider an unspecified sandwich to be toasted by default, I don't think toasting it causes it to lose its sandwich status.

    As to why one might make the distinction? Well, if you expand the everyday definition of sandwich to include all of the above, what do you call a normal sandwich? (i.e. two slices of bread with filling between them). You have to come up with a new term and then you've really gone off the deep end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja_Prawn View Post
    Is it a Southern thing to call these baguettes? Because my parents (from the North) call them French sticks, but I (born in the South) prefer baguette. Or is it more of a class thing - do posh Northerners use the French too?
    I wouldn't know, not being either posh or a Southerner? (Well, technically I was born in Northampton, but it's north of Watford Gap Services so it's still Northern as far as you Southern types are concerned ).

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    Just to note, when the hamburger was first made, it was served between two slices of bread, from a loaf. The place that first made them still serves them this way, and I know some people make them with slices of bread. Not bad, but also not as good at absorbing juices from what's inside as a bun is.
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    Not really what I think of when I hear 'sandwich', but I suppose it is a kind of sandwich, consisting of a non-bread food between two pieces of bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aedilred View Post
    As to why one might make the distinction? Well, if you expand the everyday definition of sandwich to include all of the above, what do you call a normal sandwich? (i.e. two slices of bread with filling between them). You have to come up with a new term and then you've really gone off the deep end.
    If you're getting into technicalities, we sometimes call them "cold cut sandwiches." True, it starts falling apart when you have warm-hot fillings, but then people say "hot sandwiches". Which apparently excludes burgers for some reason. But people also consider Arby's food for some reason, so I think we've left the edge of the deep end far behind.
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    So, based on people's reactions and explanations, can we assume that "sandwich" is a term that has a different sort of connotation based on region? American English tends to lump a lot of different things under one umbrella, and it looks like "sandwich" is no exception. For what it's worth, "burger" can be used to describe any sort of filling between two vertical buns. Hot dogs seem to be an anomaly at first glance, but once you look into the regional variants, they sort of wind up being their own category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delicious Taffy View Post
    So, based on people's reactions and explanations, can we assume that "sandwich" is a term that has a different sort of connotation based on region? American English tends to lump a lot of different things under one umbrella, and it looks like "sandwich" is no exception. For what it's worth, "burger" can be used to describe any sort of filling between two vertical buns. Hot dogs seem to be an anomaly at first glance, but once you look into the regional variants, they sort of wind up being their own category.
    Not any meat makes a burger. Off hamdedly I would say it has to be of the beef variety. A chicken "burger" doesnt sound right. A chicken sandwich does though.
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    Not any meat makes a burger. Off hamdedly I would say it has to be of the beef variety. A chicken "burger" doesnt sound right. A chicken sandwich does though.
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    Not any meat makes a burger. Off hamdedly I would say it has to be of the beef variety. A chicken "burger" doesnt sound right. A chicken sandwich does though.
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    A tomato is a fruit. A watermelon is a berry. A hamburger is a sandwich.
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    I do not consider Hamburgers to be sandwiches. It doesn't matter if one could roughly classify a hamburger as a sandwich, because I would never say I want a sandwich when I want a hamburger, same as I would never ask for soup when wanting dry cereal with milk, same as I wouldn't put tomato in a fruit salad.



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    Is it a Southern thing to call these baguettes? Because my parents (from the North) call them French sticks, but I (born in the South) prefer baguette. Or is it more of a class thing - do posh Northerners use the French too?
    So when you say baguette, do you mean a small/skinny loaf of bread (what a baguette is), or a long skinny bread stick type thing? I'm not sure I've ever heard the term "french stick" personally, but it sounds like its trying to describe breadsticks to me. But I've also never heard of breadsticks being called baguettes (even in the south) because a breadstick is not a baguette, one is much skinnier and often (but not always) crunchy, while the other is still a loaf.

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    Standard Yankee hyperbole . Not only is the premise questionable, but conquest doesn't always result in linguistic change, and in the mooted situation, almost certainly would not have.
    You say that with the language we saved for you on your tongue. Revisionist history if I've ever heard it.

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    Huh. I must have missed the day in history where Hitler planned his invasion of Canada!

    Besides, if not for you, the whole continent would still be flying under the Union Flag, and the war would've been over by teatime!
    The whole of the continent never flew under the Oppressor's Flag. The Netherlands, Russia, Spain and France all owned land over here. It wasn't until we threw off your cheese covered, boiled until it's gray chains that we decided to save this country from all other weird speaking countries. And the Native Americans.

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    So when you say baguette, do you mean a small/skinny loaf of bread (what a baguette is), or a long skinny bread stick type thing? I'm not sure I've ever heard the term "french stick" personally, but it sounds like its trying to describe breadsticks to me. But I've also never heard of breadsticks being called baguettes (even in the south) because a breadstick is not a baguette, one is much skinnier and often (but not always) crunchy, while the other is still a loaf.
    I mean the loaf kind. Anything from these mini ones to these full-size ones. My parents would call both a 'French stick'.
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    I mean the loaf kind. Anything from these mini ones to these full-size ones. My parents would call both a 'French stick'.

    I'm not sure that's a northern thing, the last time I saw a baguette (up here in Ohio, with in-laws from New York) it was a loafy kind of thing, and it was called a baguette properly.

    I wonder why your parents call them french sticks...

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    Is there anyone here who would, in casual conversation or when ordering a food item, call a hamburger by the term 'sandwich'?

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    If somebody asked me directly, as you are doing now, I would answer yes. If somebody asked me if I wanted a sandwich, then came back 20 minutes later with a hamburger, I would be very confused, and possibly annoyed.

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    I'm not sure that's a northern thing, the last time I saw a baguette (up here in Ohio, with in-laws from New York) it was a loafy kind of thing, and it was called a baguette properly.

    I wonder why your parents call them french sticks...
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    Merriam-Webster comes down as hamburgers being a sandwich, a sandwich being 2 or more slices or a split roll, and thus by extension hot dogs in buns are sandwiches. I find no fault in their logic.
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    You've lost me sir.
    Watermelons are scientifically a berry. So are pumpkins, bananas, tomatoes, and avocado. A berry is "a fleshy fruit produced from a single ovary." This also means peppers are a berry as well. What aren't berries? Raspberries, Strawberries or Blackberries. They're called Accessory Fruit or Aggregate Fruit.
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    You've lost me sir.
    From wikipedia, not as the sole definition but as one of the more concise explanations I've found of the definition of a berry in Botany vs. typical conversation:

    "In botanical terminology, a berry is a fleshy fruit without a stone produced from a single flower containing one ovary. Berries so defined include grapes, currants, and tomatoes, as well as cucumbers, eggplants (aubergines) and bananas, but exclude certain fruits commonly called berries, such as strawberries and raspberries."

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    You've lost me sir.
    It's true. The fruit of the watermelon plant is classified as a specific sort of modified berry, known as a pepo. Definitely not something most people would expect, but that's science for you.

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    Psst. Different country. England, it seems.
    Well that would explain why I've never heard anything being called a "french stick"!

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    Well that would explain why I've never heard anything being called a "french stick"!
    I've heard of it here in america.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonberrian View Post
    Merriam-Webster comes down as hamburgers being a sandwich, a sandwich being 2 or more slices or a split roll, and thus by extension hot dogs in buns are sandwiches. I find no fault in their logic.
    Just because there's no fault in their logic doesn't mean we can go around saying it's right. They could define a sandwich to be any food with bread in it and it would hold up just as well to logic, but would be just as wrong.
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    Merriam-Webster has as much linguistic authority in the Commonwealth as the OED has in the US, which is to say none. And to be honest the OED is increasingly modish and unreliable even for British use, though obviously still superior, because we've got to argue about something, right?

    I stand by my original verdict. A hamburger is a sandwich in a similar way to how a Victoria sponge is a sandwich. It is indeed technically a sandwich, but for any practical purpose in real life, its membership of the sandwich family is irrelevant.
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    I have always considered the hamburger a sandwich, and will generally order it as such. "I would like a #2, small size, lemonade, with no onions on the sandwich please." is my normal order at my local fast food place. I never questioned it, nor have I been asked for clarification.

    I can't conceive of calling a hot dog a sandwich, though there is not that much of a difference between them.
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