Do you consider a hamburger a sandwich?

[Coidzor]

Just gonna leave this here...

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I'm always amazed at how many of those actually sound fairly good and also at how inedible the ones that actually seem bad seem.

[Bartmanhomer]

Are talking about hot dogs now? I was starting to enjoying the hamburger debate.

[Skitterbug]

Are talking about hot dogs now? I was starting to enjoying the hamburger debate.

Well if you put a hot dog between two hamburger buns what is it?

[Bartmanhomer]

Well if you put a hot dog between two hamburger buns what is it?

A hamburger hot dog or a hod dog hamburger I suppose.

[Keltest]

Well if you put a hot dog between two hamburger buns what is it?

Crude and disappointing. A hamburger in between two hot dog bun halves is similar, but at least you can cut those to reasonably hold the burger without everything spilling.

[Fri]

Okay, to mix up/confuse/spice things a bit.

What's a sloppy joe then? Can it be considered a burger, since I always thought it's a burger variant. But apparently hamburger is actually more defined than that? So would that make sloppy joe actually a sandwich but not a burger?

[oudeis]

A sloppy joe couldn't be considered anything but a sandwich.

[Rockphed]

A sloppy joe couldn't be considered anything but a sandwich.

A sloppy joe is an undercooked bread pudding.

[Aedilred]

A sloppy joe is a sauce that's been badly served.

We don't really have them here, but they would be considered a "roll" I think.

[Keltest]

A sloppy joe is a mess that happens to contain bread.

[BannedInSchool]

Corndogs also sandwiches?

[Skitterbug]

Corndogs also sandwiches?

Corndogs are an abomination.

[Bartmanhomer]

I don't think corndogs are sandwiches. Then again I don't know what corndogs are. But I do know it a food with a stick.

[Peelee]

Man, lotta hate for sloppy Joes here.

[Skitterbug]

I don't think corndogs are sandwiches. Then again I don't know what corndogs are. But I do know it a food with a stick.

Hotdog surrounded by cornbread then impaled with a wooden stick.

[BannedInSchool]

Hotdog surrounded by cornbread then impaled with a wooden stick.

Ah, the dog goes on the stick first. Then you dip it in cornmeal batter and deep fry it. Viola! "Meat" surrounded by "bread".

[Keltest]

Man, lotta hate for sloppy Joes here.

I don't hate them, but fancy gourmet meals they are not.

[Rockphed]

Man, lotta hate for sloppy Joes here.

Oh, I love sloppy joes. I wonder if I can get my mother's recipe.

[Shamash]

Corndogs also sandwiches?

Man, american food is weird.

[Bartmanhomer]

Man, american food is weird.

Americans prefer to be called the food as unique.

[Winter_Wolf]

The French gave us confit and creme brûlée. The Italians gave us lasagna, pizza, spaghetti. The US gave the world deep fried carnival food; I mean c'mon, deep fried ice cream, deep fried candy bars.... you give us a food, eventually we'll try to deep fry it.

[Aedilred]

The French gave us confit and creme brûlée. The Italians gave us lasagna, pizza, spaghetti. The US gave the world deep fried carnival food; I mean c'mon, deep fried ice cream, deep fried candy bars.... you give us a food, eventually we'll try to deep fry it.

Probably some deep-seated Scottish influence on American cuisine.

[Winter_Wolf]

Probably some deep-seated Scottish influence on American cuisine.

I wasn't bragging. But hey if the Scots want to take the blame for it I won't fight 'em over it.

[Peelee]

The French gave us confit and creme brûlée. The Italians gave us lasagna, pizza, spaghetti. The US gave the world deep fried carnival food; I mean c'mon, deep fried ice cream, deep fried candy bars.... you give us a food, eventually we'll try to deep fry it.

America also gave the world steak and potatoes. Tomatoes, turkeys, corn, lots of good stuff.

[2D8HP]

Probably some deep-seated Scottish influence on American cuisine.

Your not for off. "Deep-frying-land" in the U.S.A. tends to be those area's settled by "Borderlanders" (near the English/Scottish border).

For more on the topic I recommend:

Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer


Which details how four different folkways in the United States got their starts from four different migrations:

East Anglia to Massachusetts:
The Exodus of the English Puritans (Pilgrims influenced the Northeastern United States' corporate and educational culture).

The South of England to Virginia:
Distressed Cavaliers and indentured Servants (Gentry influenced the Southern United States' plantation culture).

North Midlands to the Delaware Valley::
The Friends' Migration (Quakers influenced the Middle Atlantic and Midwestern United States' industrial culture).

Borderlands to the Backcountry:
The Flight from North Britain (Scotch-Irish, or border English, influenced the Western United States' ranch culture and the Southern United States' common agrarian culture).

[Brandles]

i'd think it was a sandwhich, yeah. anything with goodness in between two slices of bread is considered a sandwich to me. now i'm hungry

[Shamash]

America also gave the world steak and potatoes. Tomatoes, turkeys, corn, lots of good stuff.

I think the world had steaks, potatoes, tomatoes, turkeys and corn long before america.

[Keltest]

I think the world had steaks, potatoes, tomatoes, turkeys and corn long before america.

Nope. With the exception of steak, those were all based on plants and/or animals that originated in the Americas.

[Aedilred]

Yeah, I don't really see how America can lay claim to steak. The rest of the foodstuffs listed do originate in America, it's true, although there's obviously a gap between discovery and the founding of the US. So the dishes that use these ingredients might have been developed elsewhere and then exported back to America.

The turkey, for instance, is so named because when it became available it was bought from Turkish merchants (who presumably had bought it from Spain). It became very popular, to the point where turkeys were actually being exported from Britain to the American colonies - it's likely that any turkeys eaten at early Thanksgivings were bred in Norfolk.

[Razade]

The French gave us confit and creme brûlée. The Italians gave us lasagna, pizza, spaghetti.

WEEELL....not exactly...confit is probably a Germanic invention that predated France as a nation (Lots of peoples were preserving food in fat but the pre-Roman Germans are thought to have originated the concept). Creme Brulee was said to be an English dish (By French Cookbooks no less) known as crême à l'Angloise (English Cream) that was taken in by French chefs and then lost until about the mid 1980's where the French rediscovered the recipe.

As to lasagna, pizza and spaghetti? 100% without a doubt those aren't 100% Italian dishes. What we consider lasagna today isn't anything like the original lasagna since...no tomatoes prior to the mid to late 1500's. The lasagna we have today is probably a mix of a Spanish dish and the pre-tomato Lasagna. Hell the first Italian cookbook to actually feature a recipe with tomatoes didn't come around until 1692. That's 325 years ago. Not a long time all things considered (also the idea of "Italian" is a fairly modern concept considering Italy wasn't a country until 1861).

Pizza? Yeah, you can probably thank Italian Americans for that. The Eastern Roman Empire (so Byzantium...sooooooooo not Italian, more like Slavic or Greek. In fact, a dish similar to pizza is mentioned by the Aeneid. So again. Greek) had a dish similar to pizza, being bread oil and cheese, but since there was no tomato in Roman times (as discussed earlier) it didn't even closely resemble the pizza we know of today. We can thank Naples (who also can be sourced to where the first lasagna's were made) for making a similar flat bread dish with tomato in the late 19th century which then imigrated to the United States (a good portion of early "Italian" immigrants to the U.S were from Naples) where the pizza we know and love took shape thanks to the boroughs of New York where multiple other ethnic groups clamored for more exotic toppings. So Pizza is truly an American invention.

The idea of tomato sauce on pasta is also a very modern invention (modern as in late 19th century). The dish we call spaghetti has no known counterpart in Italy prior to its invention in the United States by, you guessed it, Napalese Italians who immigrated to the United States and wanted to make dishes that appealed to the broader American palette. Really all in all, words like "National Cuisine" are kinda B.S and trumped up marketing crap. Anything with hot peppers or tomatoes (quite a number of dishes) are about as national as a corndog considering the introduction of American Foodstuffs. Same with things like peanuts which were, for a very long time, not used in a lot of dishes because they grew in very select areas. Every dish can be pointed to another dish to another dish to another dish. The art of cooking is an evolution where people take ideas from other dishes and other cultures all the time.

The attempt to go "Americans/the British/etc haven't done anything to contibute to cuisine!" is one of the most absurd and ridiculous arguments one could ever even been to attempt.

I think the world had steaks, potatoes, tomatoes, turkeys and corn long before america.

Other than steak no (we can actually give credit of making the particular cut of meat we identify as "steak" to the Scandinavians). The tomato and corn are native to the Americas (so are peppers, and turkeys and a good number of other things).