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    Well, looks like I'm updating my answer - my family got me a test for Father's Day. I'll know in "6-8 weeks." They also do relative matching, so this is actually pretty exciting to me - here's hoping some of my birth relatives signed up for the same one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honest Tiefling View Post
    If I did get one, I'd only be expecting more flavors of white if I didn't get expected results. Through considering my family claims a few famous people as ancestors, it would be rather nice to put those ideas to rest. Mildly embarrassing to keep hearing those. Pretty sure half of the South is related to Stonewall Jackson or somesuch.
    Well, if you have any ancestors from New England before the American Revolution, you probably have an ancestor on the Mayflower. I imagine that pretty much everyone who had ancestors in the right part of the south prior to the revolution would be rather interrelated, including to all the famous generals in the south in the civil war. I don't actually know since all my ancestors were from the north and went west to get away from the civil war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    Well, if you have any ancestors from New England before the American Revolution, you probably have an ancestor on the Mayflower.
    Supposedly, I do? I've seen the record tracing the family back to the Mayflower, but it does get a little suspect when an alarming amount of people claim descent from those people. Not to mention that even today there's a few benefits if you can legitimately trace your family back that far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honest Tiefling View Post
    it does get a little suspect when an alarming amount of people claim descent from those people.
    It's not suspicious at all, actually. If there are any living descendants of the Mayflower people at all, statistically speaking after 400-odd years, we'd expect said descendants to number in the millions*.

    Not quite as many as, say, descendants of Charlemagne (IIRC, everyone in Europe should be able to tract back to him), but do not underestimate the power of compound growth. Given enough time, either everyone can track back to a given person, or no-one can. There really isn't a middle ground.

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    *Which is not to say, mind you, that some people are claiming it with no proof, or are outright lying. But any random person from about the right area? Probably better than even chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    It's not suspicious at all, actually. If there are any living descendants of the Mayflower people at all, statistically speaking after 400-odd years, we'd expect said descendants to number in the millions*.
    This is true, but when bragging rights or money is involved, I ain't believing it. Else the Native Americans got around so much you'd think they were all Bards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honest Tiefling View Post
    This is true, but when bragging rights or money is involved, I ain't believing it. Else the Native Americans got around so much you'd think they were all Bards.
    Native Americans virtually didn't exist when the Mayflower landed, the Pilgrims could plunder villages and graves with impunity. This was fairly critical for the first winter's survivors. Obviously, there were more of them around than Mayflower colonists, but that was a seriously small number for the size of New England.

    The math largely depends on the native population keeping up with immigrants. If you check the immigration levels at the time, it might not appear to be true, but a second check of the *female* immigration to the *female* natives likely changes things a bit. I also suspect that sons of established colonists had significantly larger families (basically anyone who owned their own land...) than immigrants.

    I know that after my father retired, he worked more than a decade full time doing family history (mostly typing/editing a distant relative's various books). He got as far as the ship after Mayflower, but not the Mayflower. I suspect the numbers might require including the myriad of forged documents needed to establish various families as "proper Mayflower blue blood". Such documentation multiplication is hardly new: one of my father's genealogy buddies was only concerned with his direct ancestors and managed to create documentation all the way to Adam (there's a specific English lord that is ideal for this, he had his traced back to the mythical Saxon King famous for descent from Adam and then presumably spliced into the Biblical line of Joseph to David (David's line to Adam is presumably already in Jewish scripture)).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemmy View Post
    Nah. What's the point? Sounds like a waste of money...
    1. It's interesting in it's own right.
    2. It can answer a lot of questions about family history.
    3. There are myriad medical implications of the presence or absence of various genes.
    4. There are health implications of particular ethnicities, which you may or may not be aware you have.
    5. Once you have your data, it can be re-sequenced as the techniques improve, telling you even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    Well, if you have any ancestors from New England before the American Revolution, you probably have an ancestor on the Mayflower. I imagine that pretty much everyone who had ancestors in the right part of the south prior to the revolution would be rather interrelated, including to all the famous generals in the south in the civil war. I don't actually know since all my ancestors were from the north and went west to get away from the civil war.
    Australia has a bit of a funny thing where most of our early European settlers were convicts, and until a generation or two ago being descended from a convict was deeply shameful, to the point of being a dark family secret. It's fading away now, though, with a lot more interest in that history. I don't think my family was ever that shy about it, thankfully, and can trace myself to a particular late convict by blood and another by adoption. I don't know anything between then and now, though.

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    That's interesting to know - it's kind of a joke here in America that half of us are descended from horse thieves. I'd have thought it would matter less in Australia where the percent would have been higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    That's interesting to know - it's kind of a joke here in America that half of us are descended from horse thieves. I'd have thought it would matter less in Australia where the percent would have been higher.
    Not at all. Just means those with "pedigree" get to lord it over the rest more easily. A bit like the whole US Mayflower thing. Even when you don't have an aristocracy people are very good at figuring one out anyways.

    It's a very convenient excuse to boost the social standing of those later colonists who would probably mainly drawn for more established parts of British society.

    Most of the "convicts" were after all mainly guilty of being 1) poor 2) vulnerable members of a society that had an "empty"* place to fill.


    *in these considerations obviously any aboriginals don't feature at all

    That said, it's common enough knowledge that Simpsons spoofed it in their Australia episode like 20 years ago by now I guess.

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    My heritage is a source of pride and interest for my father, and (to a somewhat lesser extent) for me as well. My grandmother is very, very interested in genealogy. She does research; he gives me Irish history lessons at random intervals. I know more than I'll ever need about where I come from. If Nana asked me to take the test, I'd do it to please her, but for myself . . . nah, I don't feel any need to analyze myself that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnachroNinja View Post
    I sometimes suspect the entire industry is a front to promote racism by trying to remind people of their generic heritage and make it seem important, thus reinforcing our differences.

    But I'm pretty paranoid.
    I'd say it's more an offshoot of the obsession with race and ethnicity than a cause for it.
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    My uncle tried to get one of those tests done a couple years ago. There was some kind of mix-up and he got some random person's results back instead. I don't think he ever bothered to follow up on a re-test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knaight View Post
    I haven't, I wouldn't. To start with I really don't care. Ethnicity is relevant inasmuch as it affects cultural treatment, and that's based on phenome and not genome.
    i agree. I don't care. DNA test won't change my culture, religion... so it's unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter_Wolf View Post
    I'm almost completely certain I'm not even 50% anything other than "your ancestors were all human." I'd be more interested in seeing whether I have any Neanderthal DNA than anything else, but not enough to get tested.
    I don't think I can count on that, fairly certain I have a few proto-humans in there, maybe even a couple of proto-proto-humans.

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    Australia has a bit of a funny thing where most of our early European settlers were convicts, and until a generation or two ago being descended from a convict was deeply shameful, to the point of being a dark family secret. It's fading away now, though, with a lot more interest in that history. I don't think my family was ever that shy about it, thankfully, and can trace myself to a particular late convict by blood and another by adoption. I don't know anything between then and now, though.
    I mean, over here there's occasional jokes about sending another batch your way. At least with my friends it's mainly a stupid 'oh yeah, we used to do stupid stuff' thing, and occasionally followed up with jokes about a colony deciding to send their convicts to England.

    I'm not overly interested in getting a test myself, in very much a 'if I'm passing by, the queue is short, the results would be private, and there isn't a sandwich shop across the street' way. I know that a decent part of my ancestry is Irish famers and English peasantry, so there's definitely some Celtic and Germanic in there. Even if I have aristocracy in there somewhere it's so far away that I could never inherit a title. Got olive skin from the more Irish side though, and extremely pale skin from the more English side (I sometimes joke that I only look white after I tan), so I expect there's a bit more that's wormed it's way in. So yeah, I'd be interested if I could discover exactly where the olive skin comes from and if there's any surprises like I'm 0.04 Asian or something, but I suspect it would be mostly 'you mainly come from that crazy island that tries to pretend it isn't part of Europe and it's neighbour, with some other European places factoring in'.
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    I'm thinking of the 23andme test which has something ethnicity related. Should be interesting seeing how Finns are... more inbred that several other folks (and have unique hereditary diseases). Then again, at least part of my family has apparently come here via Germany.
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    I would do it if I had spare money. I know that my ancestors are mostly Europeans (with some Polynesians in there as well), but it would be interesting to see exactly which parts of Europe (and other parts of the world) they're from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Got olive skin from the more Irish side though,
    Entirely possible that comes from Southern European heritage. There are a number of not-insignificant historical contacts between Ireland and Spain over the last few hundred years before modern mass movement of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiero View Post
    Entirely possible that comes from Southern European heritage. There are a number of not-insignificant historical contacts between Ireland and Spain over the last few hundred years before modern mass movement of people.
    Sure, I expect it's something like someone from Southern Europe coming to Ireland in recent history, I'm not actually too interested to know why it's there. I fully expect that my ethnicity is a bunch of European places concentrated a bit more on Celtic and Germanic than the rest, although I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot more variation that's snuck in at points. It's not like it would change my identity, but it would certainly be interesting to know.
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    Results are in, raising more questions than answers From my "non-identifying information" (delivered when I turned 18), my mom was German and Scots-Irish, my father Italian. Looks like only one out of three things was right. 30% "Great Britain" circled area included northern France and the low countries), 7% from southern Ireland; so that sounds like Scots-Irish. Then, a few low-confidence 1- and 2% from "Western Europe," (France/Germany/Switzerland) "Iberian Peninsula" (Spain/Portugal) and "South Asia" (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka). Then, the surprise: 55% from "Caucasus" - big circled area centered around the Caucasus mountains and a bit north, but including all kinds of stuff from Turkey to Syria to Iran.

    The more exciting thing: a lot of genetic relatives matched, including three that are "high confidence" second cousins or closer.

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    Possibly because most of the people on 23andme are American (and I'm not), I don't have any close matches at all (apart from my sister). Virtually all those who are at the 4th cousin level are Jewish.
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