T209's Let's Watch: Gundam Seed

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So this is what I am trying for this month for entertainment and "cool down". I am going to watch Gundam Seed, which I only managed to see snippets of finale

Spoiler: Final Episode spoiler

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Flay Allster roasted inside starship from laser fire and Mu's presumed death*.
*Me thinks that he was supposed to be pre-Full Frontal clone.

. Sadly, the one I managed to watch is Gundam Seed Destiny, which I can't be blamed for the show being broadcasted in Burma/Myanmar and never learned about Seed until a moment later. No HD Remaster. I mean I was a kid back then and didn't know much about fandom's hatred for it.
Note: This is English sub but might watch a few dub just to listen Flay as "Space Racist Rarity". Plus, some links to other videos for kicks (like Jurpentine's Gundam Seed Abridged). So I'll be watching Gundam Seed for the first time with a few future knowledge.
So let's Begin...

Spoiler: Phase 1

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The year is CE 73. After some Not!Feddy launched a rocket at Junius Seven (wonder why biological weapons isn't used, I mean you can empty them out with that and settle them with Pure Blooded Naturals rather than destroying expensive space colony), the Not!Zeon launch the invasion on Earth rather than another nuclear strike (again Clyne and less-radical members might be focusing on capitulation than outright genocide). Just like One Year War of UC, the earth side got steam rolled by new weapons called Mobile Suits, which CE also included dog version that made it Super Robot-y. 11 months has passed...
Then we focus to Side-7...I mean Heliopolis where Kira and his friends are studying at space University. Ironic flashback was seen when Kira and Athrun were kids and latter made a robot bird for him. "PLANTS and Earth will never go to war" . Then like Mobile Suit Gundam, commandos attack the colony but this time managed to snatch the new Gundams, which allow muggles to pilot the suit easier. Kira was separated from the group as he went to save not!Sayla who somehow connected to Gundam based on her anger on betrayal. During the attack, most of the crews and senior officers taking shore leave/undercover were killed but the surviving crews (Mu, Natarle, and pilot guy) with Murrue Ramius at the docks managed to fend off attackers with only her as sole survivors. Kira decided to go and save Murrue. Then the episode end with Kira reuniting with Athrun, who turned out to be one of the commandos.

So going to watch some episodes after that. Feel free to discuss if you wish.

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Rather liked this series didn't manage to finish watching the sequel which felt like it was missing the entire point of this series!
There was another series that involved this series and explained what was otherwise a plot hole but i think they kept it manga only but the anime version is well worth watching!

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Rather liked this series didn't manage to finish watching the sequel which felt like it was missing the entire point of this series!
There was another series that involved this series and explained what was otherwise a plot hole but i think they kept it manga only but the anime version is well worth watching!

Mmm Hmm. I even wondered that the entire series is doomed right at the start when head writer got ill and got into disputes.
Either Stargazer or Astray, is what you mean.
So back to the show.

Spoiler: Phase 2 and 3

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Kira and Murrue got stuck in Gundam while Athrun ran away with another. Then Murrue tried to pilot the mecha to little to no avail until Kira took over when he saw his friends on the ground. Then, Murrue "detained" all of them for discovering military secrets but decided to let Kira pilot for sake of survival. On Archangel,
the surviving crews got out of the hangar and link up with Gundam later on. In the space, Mu was left alone but managed to take down GINNs and even took out the arm of Rau's mobile suit. During the battle, he have hints of not!NewType power. On the mobile suit side, Kira somehow know how to readjust the Gundam that later explained his Coordinator heritage that Earth Alliance had issue with but not Neutral countries like ORB. Then Sai, one of Kira's friend and fiance to Rari...I mean Flay, got a truck load of weapons for Kira and second battle ensues.
And Kira managed to blew a hole in the colony with giant laser cannon. Then link up with not!White Base/ Archangel happen and Murrue become the Captain while Mu got stuck with them after his ship was destroyed.
Colony mobile suit battle occurs and entire not!Side 7 was destroyed with most of the not!Zeon side annihilated.
Fortunately, there are survivors launched out of shelters acting as escape pods. Then the episode ends with Kira and Athrun got their Gundam sucked out into space.

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Spoiler: Phase 4 and 5

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So Archangel vs. Not!Char's warship in now-destroyed Heliopolis. They found the refugees but no sign of not!Sayla though. Kira became the pilot with Mu playing as both not!Sleggar and not!Ryu (because I feel that Ryu as more brotherly pilot archetype than Sleggar). Flay reunited with the group and act like scared annoying girl for rest of the show. Since Kira got to fight, his friends join in as support crew. And Athrun was reluctant to fight against Kira and wanted to convince him to join the not!Zeon. While Athrun fight with Kira, the three (Yzak,
Dearka, and Nicol) pile up on not!White Base but good ol' Mu save the day by attacking Rau/not!Char's ship taht forced the squadron to pull back. Athrun captured Kira but Mu intercepted and got the Gundam back for giant laser cannon. Then another exposition happen that Athrun's mom died in Bloody Valentine Incident. Yzak and Athrun had a fight but Nicol stopped it. Ohhh, how much of an arrogant little jerk Yzak compared to Destiny version. The episode ends with not!White Base ended up in space docks but seems that Earth Alliance isn't as united as it seems (Atlantic Federation being not!White Base while the dock being part of Eurasian Federation).

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Spoiler: Phase 6, and 7

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Previously, on Gundam Seed, the not!Whitebase got stuck in space port and being detained by the station leader.
Now it continues, due to self-interest of station captain, he decided to detain the officers despite them having proper ID and go for the crew since they can't figure out how to open them. Then the crew try to cover but Kira stood up and say shut up that provoked the Captain before handing down on him. Then fight broke out with Sai being pushed aside,
that caused Flay to reveal that he's Coordinator...ignorant on the fact that they're fighting Coordinator (So, what about Coordinator-Natural hybrids? I mean if ORB and neutral nation had both, love can still bloom without Athrun's racist dad and not!Federation's Titans-wannabe). At the hangar, the station leader talked about having a race traitor among their numbers giving them an advantage and promised him a good treatment. On ZAFT side, they can't go inside the port due to being covered by forcefield but Nicol used his mobile suit's stealth system to go in undetected.
For note, Mu was going to tell them but commander cut him off before locking him inside the lounge. Then attack happen, Archangel crews and officers overpower the guard and escapes. Then to the debris field they go for resources.
Athrun and Rau got called to committee questioning on Heliopolis attack and discovery of mobile suits. Ironically,
there's some truth to pilot being a Natural since Murrue did briefly piloted one. THEN the important exposition on Bloody Valentine happen, where nuke strike at the colony's center that sucked people and things out into space. That ruins happen to be discovered by not!White Base and what ye know, a dead baby. I am not sure how much non-ZAFT know about it but many of them except Kira don't seem to recall that event. Then the crew give prayers and harvested the ice. When things are about to get hectic from scout, Kira shot it down but got shaky hands again (I think Mu already help you out). Then they found an escape pod and brought it in and Lo and Behold.....Lacus (aka Gundam's Minmei, but less annoying).
Next up, we get to see space Racist Rarity.

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Spoiler: Phase 8 and 9

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So since I left off, Haro and Lacus came out of pod and actually quite clueless that she's on Earth ship. And not sure how out of blue it is, but Flay turned out to be racist against Coordinators and mean to Lacus (Rarity, stop being mean to Not!Minmei). And Kira befriended with Lacus after guiding back to her room. On Not!Zeon side, Athrun learn the news of her Fiance and sent on a rescue mission with Rau. So not!Whitebase made contact with the fleet, which get promptly destroyed once it made contact with Rau's team. And Not!White base survived due to "Let us go or the Princess gets it". Well, here's things that bugged me.
- Has the Archangel crew heard of Prisoner exchange to save Flay's dad? I mean he's also a government official?
- If you want to kill Lacus, Flay, why didn't you get a knife or a gun?
- Kira decided to engage against Athrun rather than mopping up the grunt first.
- The unintentional innuendo.

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Spoiler: Phase 10

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Ahhh, the original Kira's crying, sounded like grunt and struggle. But it's sweet that Lacus calm him down. Also Athrun or Lacus might be the creepy one due to amounts of Haro made. Also they're a bit young to be married, or Coordinator has different age of consent due to intellectually mature. Flay got PTSD and lash out at Kira. Then, Kira decided to give her back to not!ZAFT which give us this lovely out-of-context scene
"Kira, what the heck did you do to my fiance?"
"Says the guy who will eventually plan to have mixed-kids with a muggle!"
Just kidding, they boarded and...RAU AND MU BATTLES. But Lacus order them to cease attacks and next episode will begin with a trial.

[Hopeless]

Astray!
Never got to watch Stargazer properly did watch a couple of Astray episodes which i thought better than Gundam Seed!

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Astray!
Never got to watch Stargazer properly did watch a couple of Astray episodes which i thought better than Gundam Seed!

*nod* That might come in coming episodes.
For now,

Spoiler: Phase 11 and 12

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SEED MODE! AKA whatever power are in Gundam Seed. Right after the trial, which conveniently adjourned due to him being civilian (ummm, doesn't it count as voluntary conscription), Flay begin to start her dark side after being an annoying racist damsel for most of the time, and not!White Base got attacked again. Nicol the "coward" snuck" to the ship while Kira is busy with Yzak (quite surprising how much he is different from Destiny's more relaxed counterpart) that caused Kira to go Seed mode and injured Yzak and force the squadron to retreat. Then..Dun Dun Duuun, evil Flay rises.
Then we cut to the point where not!White Base meets with not!Feddies ships led by Revill...I mean Hailburton.
For a higher up, he seems fine with having a Coordinator as a pilot and actually dislike conscripting him. Then we got civilians transfer to shuttle, Kira's friends given discharge permission but decided to serve with Flay (and continuously ripping papers as one by one join) as the new recruit,
and Kira decided to join the battle after friends refused to leave. Then we had Elle/not!Kika thanking Kira with a gift of Origami.
And so the battle begins
(which I wonder how the entire event would turn out had Hailburton live, possibly joining Three Ships Alliance as well.)

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Spoiler: Phase 14

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So the space battle begins with not!Feddies being hammered by not!Zeon with their mobile suits. Then, Archangel decided to fall to earth as to prevent prize from being seized if battle is lost. Entire 8th Fleet sacrificed with Admiral Halberton and escort ship go down in suicide defense/charge respectively. And Flay was going to pilot the suit before the battle but Kira came back. I am feeling that she is basically seducing him for her cause. And Tsk Tsk, I guess you're gonna get a firing squad or imprisonment for that, Yzak, even if it's retreating soldiers (silly me, Durandal decided to promote him and Yzak actually regret on that decision). Again, what do you expect from someone who's basically raised in space racist society, which firing on retreating sailors might be encouraged to prevent them from coming back. Plus you got rid of what Seed would have to Kikka from Mobile Suit Gundam.
Funny enough, she was supposed to be a pilot in the concept. Except as poster girl and space equivalent of Waffen SS. And she would be blown up along with Sai with her implanted bomb.

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Spoiler: Phase 15

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*recap* *recap* *Exposition on Coordinator's origins, George Glenn, and animosity* *more recap* *And song*
Well, here is Abridged take on that but I feel that it kinda made Patrick Zala as more sympathetic by trying to make him formerly a nice guy who wanted peace but Blue Cosmos pull a Red Wedding on coexistence festival.
Not sure how they will view on Coordinators who decided to be loyal to ORB, who has one Natural parent, and/or married and had a kid with Natural. I mean the last one I know is Xist Elwes and my headcanon version of Shinn Asuka (Not sure how that concept would play out well since that version of Shinn would ditch Durandal based on his mixed backgrounds and possibly frowning by both races). Not that it might be common (Coordinator's demand for racial purity vs. Naturals' view on them being filthy coordinator), but some people in ORB might go into forbidden relationship.

Spoiler: Phase 16

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Well, this is when Flay stop being useless girl and more hateful persona as seductress. She broke up with Sai,
"comfort" Kira with paper flower that the girl gave to him before she died, and even made love with him. And something called Neutron Jammer has bombarded the Earth that caused Fission and radio waves to malfunction. And for some reason, the Gundam needs to be manually readjust to work in different terrain. And not!Zeon use robot dogs to sic on the not!White Base and Kira goes SEED mode again but no match against the large numbers. Then Cagalli came along and use wire phone to lead the not!Zeon into the spot where Kira guided them to and blow them up.
Oh, there's Seed version of Ramba Ral but with coffee addiction.

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Spoiler: Phase 17 and 18

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Well, since the Archangel landed in what would be now North Africa, the crew meet up with the resistance made up of middle-eastern people called Desert Dawn. From their exposition, not!Zeon took over Africa days ago and entire Pacific route is under their thumb. Sai and Kira got a bit of a rut after Flay revealed that she slept with him and allow me to know why she is "controversial" character. Plus, I kinda see her as seductress who would play a vulnerable Coordinator to do her bidding. And good old Andrew/not!Ramba with coffee addiction punish a village but actually not evil. He warned the town (only two people got hurt from tripping) and only destroy supplies. The burning town alerted the resistance.
And somehow Mu got called out for actually talking sense since a typical not!Zeon would burn the town down with people inside. And oh, at best, would cull some portion of people for "reminder". Not to mention that Desert Dawn decided to attack the patrol rather then, go for fuel depot or undefended areas with gun blazing. Oh, what about the Gundam? You know? Like Desert Rats from "Middle Ages" (Gundam term for pre-UC eras).
After the futile attack by the resistance, Cagalli got called out for her impetuous attack by Kira. So much idiocy in this story just for blind emotion is dumb message. At least Sahib wasn't dumb enough to call for attack, had it not for the thick-headed members.

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(Not sure if I should post more due to double-post limits since I haven't heard a reply yet, but continuity on from my absence due to overtime.

Spoiler: Phase 19 and 20

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And the anime's shopping episode clinche. Cagalli and Kira decided to go eat at a restaurant and introduced to Kebab. Then a sunglasses Andrew decided to join in and argue with Cagalli over his yogurt vs. her hot sauce on Kebab wraps. In the end, both sauces ended on Kira's food and turned out that both are better (I agree as someone who likes sour cream to cool down the hot salsa when eating Burrito). Then Blue Cosmos cell made an attack on Andrew but managed to fend them off. And one of my favorite being Kira throwing a gun at the assailant and even called out on why he didn't pull the trigger (Destiny did resolve that in an episode, I guess Andrew or some member actually taught him to shoot a gun). Then Andrew revealed his true identity and invited both of them to his HQ/Mansion since Cagalli got kebab sauce all over her. Meanwhile, the resistance made a deal with local black market with Earth Alliance footing the bill. And we met not!Lady Hamon who prepared her a dress after Cagalli took a bath. Like Ramba scene from Gundam, Kira and Andrew had a talk and thought that they were going to have a confrontation before letting them go as usual (at least Ramba's made sense since he didn't like killing teenagers unless provoked). At the not!White Base, Sai try to pilot the Gundam but it fell and let loose Spongebob cry. Still feel sorry for not having the virility like Kira.
At the Plant, the meeting is done on Operation Spirit..Spit Break and Patrick Zala/Gihren Zabi making a speech on quick end to the war. While the politics happen, Athrun and Lacus had tea together and learned more about Kira, specifically the bird he made for him. And Siegel and Patrick had a chat over the pointlessness of the war and how Coordinator are not new species, plus Coordinators having birth rate problems despite the regulated marriage. Rau also seem to have a health problem based on his weak posture when he try to get up from bed. Then, he promised Patrick Zala that he will accomplish his goals. At the not!White Base on Earth, Cagalli and Kira's friends were having fun with Sim while Sai is in the brig and becoming depressed over his lack of piloting skills. Flay try to swoon with Kira but he rejected her over what she had done. Then the episode ends with Athrun looking at photo of him and Kira while Kira look at Gundam.
(cue Gundam Seed credit song)
P.S- Was it I or the Coordinator's declining birthrate had to do with Inbreeding than some coordinator thing? I mean you can say that it's Japanese birth rate reference or genetic issue but I just think that stuck in the hourglass colonies with not enough genepool might be an issue.

And....I swear that Lacus' Haro is the least useful compared to Usso (pilot gundam, save people) and even Amuro's version (entertain kids).

[Kato]

Sorry, you're watching way too fast to even remotely keep up, even if I had the spare time to try

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Sorry, you're watching way too fast to even remotely keep up, even if I had the spare time to try

Glad to know, Kato. Just finished up with Episode 21.

Spoiler: Spoiler

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As someone who watched Gundam Seed Destiny first, I guess that not!Lady Hamon actually threw him in the front and use her body as shield rather than a mid air hug.
Also was it me or it's a tradition for Gundam to remind that the Mobile Suits are not always piloted by random mooks but those with lives and family.

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Here are things that bugged me in Phase 21.

Spoiler: Phase 21

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Kinda feel that entire episode is giving too much to Archangel since the experienced aces with fire power are relegated to turret role and got stuck in sand. I mean they can fly and shoot around. And not to mention why Gundam didn't have auto adjuster.
Or....something like "I am good in space but suck at desert warfare" and other things not considered by space people.

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Okay, I am planning to reschedule my let's watch abit due to lack of response and fear of too much double posting. So I'm going to do two Episodes per week starting today. So here it goes.

Spoiler: Phase 22

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After not!White Base defeated not!Ramba Ral, which I feel that it has too many plot armor since somehow the designers never thought of automatic suspension. The crew reached to the Red Sea with Kuji being the one feel "unique" about it as a Spacenoid. And like many Gundam iterations, the multi-ethnic future (plus excuse to use "exotic" names, like Kojiro Murdoch or Tolle Koenig) is present even in North Africa (or some unseen space sailors who died previously). I mean Stein Offer and Stephane Lindberger aren't what you expect to be "arabic" names. Cagalli decided to go along with the crews based on her skills and knowledge. And I forgot to mention Rambo-dude that fought along side with Desert Dawn in previous episodes, who exposit about possibility that ZAFT doesn't have naval units. But things go wrong with ZAFT submarines loaded with mook mobile and not!Z'Gok led by beardo. Before the aquatic battle, Kira and Cagalli had a chit-chat about Coordinators and how they still have to put work into skills like any other. Flay got jealous and go out to Kira in her tank top to seduce him. And thank the ZAFT/Not!Zeon that she didn't become more annoying as the aquatic battle begin with flying mech flying at them. And Kira got nightmares of Andrew but he managed to defeat the aquatic forces while allowing not!White Base and Mu to beat the air force.
Then we move to not!Side 3 where Athrun and Nicol leave home for Operation Spit Break. Plus I swear that Nicol is one of the few characters with happy home, which made me wonder why Gundam protagonists have parent issues, orphans, or both. And Nicol talk about his plan for big concert after the war.
*cue* Anna ni Issho Datta no ni *cue*

Spoiler: Phase 23

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And either it's Seed writer's inability to kill off character or missed somewhere, Beardo lives on. Mu La Flaga, being Sleggar expy, showed his care free nature around Murrue. The not!WhiteBase/Archangel made their way to Alaska and Flay got sea sick I knew they shouldn't kill off the kid so that she can be Frau for once. And Beardo and his submarine launched an attack but this time Mu and Cagalli got a drop on them and annihilated the submarine except for one mobile suit. Underwater, Kira is fighting with Beardo's aquatic mobile suit squadron but some of them managed to harrass the ship, which then proceeded to roll around to fire its main gun. Then Beardo got (killed?) from Kira's melee but Cagalli got lost around the airspace.
At the same time, Athrun conveniently got separated with his squads due to navigation issue and had to go on a separate transport that Cagalli spotted on her wandering. Both got shot down,
stuck on island, and....the beginning of Seed's potential Natural-Coordinator romance.

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Now we reached to the mid-part of Gundam Seed with the Archangel reaching to ORB,

Spoiler: Phase 24

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So Cagalli and Athrun got stuck on an island and both of them had a fight. As a coordinator, the term "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" didn't apply as he beat down Cagalli but hesitated to finish her when he discovered that she's a girl. On Archangel and not!ZEON side, both parties launched search as they look for both of them. Then Cagalli got tied up but she try to escape and possibly kill Athrun but her attempt ended her landing in a shallow pond on high tide. So Athrun made fire, dry her clothes, and even set her free. This confuses Cagalli since he seems to trust her despite her being his "enemy". Plus, he stated that he will kill her the moment she grab his gun. Then both of them had a chit-chat (+flashbacks clips) on whether they are justified in response to having Junius Seven blown up, Heliopolis blown up, and Desert Dawn. To further confusion, Athrun fell asleep and Cagalli began to make a choice on whether to kill him in his sleep or not. But Athrun woke up and lunges at Cagalli, who realized her folly and threw away a gun that discharged after she threw it away. Then both of them made up and rest for the night until the rescue parties from both Archangel and ZAFT found them in separate time. *cue credit song*

Spoiler: Phase 25

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This is where we are introduced to ORB, or "Fukuda's ideal japan", who remained neutral but definitely fine with developing secret mobile suits. And for some reasons, the not!Zeon have their special gundam riding on top of airplane like Zeta Gundam. As usual, the four were repulsed but Archangel is banged up from various weapon fires. Then the king of Orb decided to launch a fleet to engage both the Gundams and the Archangel over territorial waters. As the ZAFT retreated but Archangel watched over the horror, Cagalli revealed herself to be a princess but good ol' bureaucracy kicks in that prevented her from talking to her king dad. Fortunately, as Cagalli's Rambo body guard said, "The artillery corps are best gunner," which they masked their docking to a secret cove where they made repairs while staying away from ZAFT and Earth Alliance. Kira and his friends plan to make shore leave but can't do so while the senior staff made talks with King of Orb. Cagalli being a tomboy got struggle with the maid over princess dress, which everyone saw her with a frown. On the ZAFT side, the team are waiting in a submarine while planning to infiltrate ORB with Yzak wanted to go in gun blazing. But he did point out that Athrun got his position thanks to his now!Chairman dad. And the infiltration method was chosen
Then the episode ended with Team Zala in frog suit and greeted by collaborators of ORB.

note: Just made me wonder on how much a grunt/civvie/junior officers know about PLANTs since Phase 8 had everyone who is not Kira surprised that there is a giant colony in debris area, let alone the fact that their side nuked that colony. And not knowing who Lacus despite her being a pop star but only know that she's Siegel's daughter based on her surname.
Were they that isolated? Or writer's fudge.
At least it wasn't as ridiculous as not knowing Cagalli being a princess.

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So after removin a recap episode from the list. I reached to the point where it included my saddest scene.

Spoiler: Episode spoiler

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To make it worse,
- It might more than just blood, his head popped open from heat.
- The next episode still has his charred and (headless?) corpse from exposed cockpit. ("A Pile of Hambuger" )
- Kinda imagine that Yzak starting to get a sympathetic moment since for all the jerk he is he actually cared about Nicol, no wonder he changed into a different person in Destiny.
- Nicol's piano notes came out from his coat, all of which to be played at concert that he will no longer attend.
- Kira's upset.
- Then Athrun threw a shield at Tolle's fighter and just like Uzumi said to Cagalli on how killing a son will cause the father to hate her. Now, a friend's death caused pain to another's friend...and so on and so on.
- Seed Mode: Now with two friends becoming two wild animals tearing each throats apart.
- Dearka got captured and Poor Mirillia.
- KABOOM on Strike Freedom! (don't worry, he lives. Either Jesus Yamato or fickle artist not understanding scale.)

Saddest episodes ever.
Also wanted to ask something. Either Naturals are that dumb or the Mobile Suit's machine spirits are too hostile for muggle to handle and needed to be tweaked for them to handle. Also anyone notice that they already invented Psyco-Commu/Mind-Link (One of gundam's acronym has them)?

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Spoiler: Phase 32 and 33

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So we reached to the point that made me wonder.
Was it me or I kinda feel sorry for Flay, even if she's Miko Miyazaki of Gundam Seed but less-annoying?
On one hand, she is basically loitering and doing nothing.
On the other hand, she actually realized her folly and all of the adult crews are too busy to assign, let alone care for her.
Not to mention that they don't have a therapist on board.
And also Dearka too, which I wanted to yell at him for trying not to upset someone in nervous breakdown but he did realize that Naturals are just as "human" as them. And actually feel sorry for Mirillia after he was almost killed by her and later Flay. He even genuinely ask about her boyfriends without his usual snarkiness.
Then another well-loved plot hold, How the heck Kira got on PLANT after his seat was clearly melted (spoiler: Gundam Astray has a group of space salvagers who rescued him from burning wreckage).
And Athrun's racist dad got voted as Supreme Chairman and ignored Siegel Clyne as usual.
Feel sorry for Nicol's parents, not sure about Koenigs if they receive as message of their son's demise.
And the first appearance of Blue Cosmos, the hippie space racist secret group led by Muruta Azrael.

Also anyone else here annoyed that HD remaster basically give "Greedo shot First" on Nicol scene?

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And finally, I reached to the point where Gundam Seed turned from 1979 version for modern audience to Zeta's "disgruntled soldiers who fought against their superiors" mixed with Blake 7.

Spoiler: Phase 34

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And I know why people like Seed better.
At least the Federation was slowly subverted with reasonable officers replaced with monsters like Sutherland.
And the fact that they don't have voice of reasons like General Revil from Original Gundam series, who would chew out the ones who activated the base's human exploder and have shred of competance other than "soldiers are expendable".
Plus, on the other hand, Lacus just made Patrick the space hitler angry by giving Kira a Gundam and possibly cause alot more suffering. Or the fact that Yzak would be popcorn along with almost lucky sods had Lacus not give Gundam to Kira.

And before you baffle at Lacus' political power, try to remember the blind priest who act as mediator and possibly tutored Lacus himself. And oh, the guy who tagged along with Andrew Waltfeld is alive too.

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Well, Gundam Seed has been finished.
Genesis went kaboom.
Yzak's mom might be in slammers or sent to firing squad.
Earth and ZAFT decided to go home and pursue peace talks.
Rau, Patrick, and Murata (All except for Patrick, because Athrun's Gundam Heaven require Patrick to be a nice old guy, will be going to be reincarnated into Gundam Build Fighters as undesirable fates, like Murata being awaited by Halberton and Junius Seven people with baseball bats while Rau gets to be the worst Gunpla player ever) are dead.
BUT...
as much as Destiny isn't the good sequel, I kinda entertain the idea that their sacrifice went all to pots with both sides still holding grudges and decided to maul each other again.
Mwu is dead (And I like to imagine that Neo Roanoke is actually proto-Full Frontal)
countless people are still dead ( Nicol and Tolle especially).
So finally watched entire series with finale included. Maybe I might plan to make another Let's Watch...other than Destiny.
Oh here are some speculations.
- Turned out that Coordinator's sterility is actually the result of Inbreeding (remember, it's CoordinatorXCoordinator and mainly PLANT issue, ORB might have segments that decided that "Love can Bloom," not sure if the Coordinator parent have to outlive their Natural spouse or "Woman of Kleenex") due to small genepool and "racial purity".
- Mobile Suits have mind-link system (the acronym has them and reason why it's needed for Naturals).