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    I was going to post something different, but my thoughts wandered to how Coulson and Carlson sound similar, which led to an idea of Coulson in the Framework running a radio station in Cincinnati. WSHD in Cincinnati... :)

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    Well that was an unsatisfying semi-end of the arc. There was no reason for Mack to stay behind, in character Mack is a pragmatist, and would never accept living a lie. That's not his daughter and he knows it, its a computer program with its responses categorized by 100100110, not any sort of emotion or feeling. If he didn't know it, he might have been able to accept it, but knowing, theres no way. If you want to write a character out, have him die...don't have him behave completely out of character to take him off the show. And what, after they deal with Aida, they are going to let this giant computer keep on running? Reality check, please.
    As for Aida escaping, that was bogus. She cant just "give" herself powers, those only come from undergoing the transformation ritual and then only usable with lots of practice, trial and error. Even having them, and full blown at that, is a crock. And Fitz's reaction, he was horrified at what he had done in the simulation and then he comes face to face with the thing that made him do it...and just stands there? He would have been trying to tear her limb from limb. You want to keep her "alive", have her arrive at some other place, or make her escape while the rest are still coming to grips with their return. Not this bogus set up.
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    Well that was an unsatisfying semi-end of the arc. There was no reason for Mack to stay behind, in character Mack is a pragmatist, and would never accept living a lie. That's not his daughter and he knows it, its a computer program with its responses categorized by 100100110, not any sort of emotion or feeling. If he didn't know it, he might have been able to accept it, but knowing, theres no way. If you want to write a character out, have him die...don't have him behave completely out of character to take him off the show. And what, after they deal with Aida, they are going to let this giant computer keep on running? Reality check, please.
    As for Aida escaping, that was bogus. She cant just "give" herself powers, those only come from undergoing the transformation ritual and then only usable with lots of practice, trial and error. Even having them, and full blown at that, is a crock. And Fitz's reaction, he was horrified at what he had done in the simulation and then he comes face to face with the thing that made him do it...and just stands there? He would have been trying to tear her limb from limb. You want to keep her "alive", have her arrive at some other place, or make her escape while the rest are still coming to grips with their return. Not this bogus set up.
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    I disagree with pretty much all of your points. It's not like Mack has some knowledge of what life outside of the Framework is like.
    Literally the only thing he knows about it is that his daughter is dead there. Doesn't seem like a stretch at all that he would prefer to stay where the person he loves the most is alive. We also don't know that he's being written out. There are still two more episodes and the teaser for next week shows that Mack's story isn't done yet.

    As for AIDA, she 3D printed herself a human body. If she has that capability, why not make it an Inhuman body? Is it really that outrageous?
    Fitz and Hydra had been studying Inhumans after all. Terragenesis wouldn't necessarily be required if the body were constructed to have already undergone it. I'll give you that we didn't see her practicing with her powers. She could have set up a program to practice as kind of an "I know kung fu" kind of situation.

    Fitz was in shock. He couldn't believe what he'd done, been willing to do, how merciless he had been. He could have been aggressive about it, sure. He's just been through the most traumatic thing in his entire life, even worse than his near death experience. And in the framework, he loved Ophelia. It wasn't real, but it felt real. And now the two realities crash before his eyes as he comes face to face with his captor, his manipulator, and his love. Because the love he felt was real, even though everything about it was a lie.

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    OK, it's a week past, so I'm dropping the spoilers.

    First off, Framework Mack had no memory of being an Agent of SHIELD, so it's understandable that he would be hesitant to trade the virtual world where he had a daughter for a world he knew nothing about (except that Hope wasn't there).

    Secondly, the pain and regret he felt over losing Hope was enough to sustain the friggin' Ghost Rider, so I would say her death left a pretty sizeable hole in his heart.
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    But he is a pragmatist. He cut Coulson's arm off with an axe, for crying out loud. All the way to the escape point, he could deny the other world, but when faced with Daisy using Inhuman powers and showing the portal clearly, the lie of the world he was in could not be denied. And Mack would never believe in a lie. Its a plot armor character change, and its phony.
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    It's a fishnet-thin justification for the return of Ghost Rider. Hardly the worst thing this series has done (Yes Men, anyone?).

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    But he is a pragmatist. He cut Coulson's arm off with an axe, for crying out loud.
    So would I. So would anyone with an ounce of sense. That's not pragmatism, that's doing the only thing that would save Coulson's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelaC1 View Post
    But he is a pragmatist. He cut Coulson's arm off with an axe, for crying out loud. All the way to the escape point, he could deny the other world, but when faced with Daisy using Inhuman powers and showing the portal clearly, the lie of the world he was in could not be denied. And Mack would never believe in a lie. Its a plot armor character change, and its phony.
    No, he's a pragmatist in the real world because in the real world he has lost Hope. In the virtual world, he has a reason to live other than pure pragmatic duty. And from where I'm standing, if I was forced at gunpoint to choose between my cub and "the more real world", I'd pick like Mack did in a heartbeat, because of the brain-in-a-jar philosophical thought experiment: you can never be sure that what you think as reality "is really real". For all anyone can know, Daisy is delusional about living in the real real world, and is simply pulling him to a different computer simulation.

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    It's Sunday. Screw spoilers.

    Ophelia's freak-out was genuinely scary. Making her human actually made her worse, because now she's completely unhinged.

    Seeing Fitz sad was a tearjerker, but I think it was worse seeing Gemma fighting back tears when Fitz said that his relationship with her was over.

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    Aida's new emotions, of all kinds, are overwhelming her because of how total her inexperience with them is. If Fitz had chosen her over Jemma, I could easily see her becoming a long term blissfully/deliriously happy powerful ally of Shield. Right up until her first argument with Fitz, at which point it would all depend on whether Fitz could convince her, in the middle of an emotionally distraught breakdown, that it was just a temporary interruption of the long term status quo.

    So, she'd be a ticking time bomb for quite a while, with all the lack of emotional stability of a newborn baby, combined with the power of many different Inhumans all put together.

    ...yeah, this never had good odds of turning out well. Good try, Fitz, and at least you got her to save Mack before the breakup.

    On the subject of Aida's powers, I find it interesting that she can regenerate from actual bullet wounds easily, but has no apparent resistance to ICER rounds. That's quite a hole in her Inhuman defenses if anyone thinks of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
    On the subject of Aida's powers, I find it interesting that she can regenerate from actual bullet wounds easily, but has no apparent resistance to ICER rounds. That's quite a hole in her Inhuman defenses if anyone thinks of it.
    Where there ICERs in the framework? I wouldn't imagine they'd be standard Hydra issue, even if Fitz did manage to invent them before Hydra took over, so there would not have been any chance to identify which inhuman power granted immunity to it.

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    This is HYDRA we're talking about here. Why would they bother with non-lethal weaponry?
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    This is HYDRA we're talking about here. Why would they bother with non-lethal weaponry?
    They do need the inhuman alive for experimentation. So they needed non-lethal, I just can't imagine there being an outright R&D project to develop it.

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    They do need the inhuman alive for experimentation. So they needed non-lethal, I just can't imagine there being an outright R&D project to develop it.
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    They do need the inhuman alive for experimentation. So they needed non-lethal, I just can't imagine there being an outright R&D project to develop it.

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    C'mon guys, you saw Hydra's approach to non-lethal takedowns.

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    I wonder if this means we'll be seeing the return of the ICER grenade from T.R.A.C.K.S. back in S1.

    Crap was that a long time ago.

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    Robbie Reyes has seen some s**t.

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    Just saw that Powers Boothe, who was so much fun as Gideon Malick last season, has passed.

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    —Okay, emergency question: what happened in last week’s stinger?

    I caught the episode, but managed to miss the stinger, and I’m sure it’s something frightfully relevant. Can anyone fill me in? (Spoilered, of course.)

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    After thoroughly searching the SHIELD base, Talbot and his men find nothing and depart. Moments later, Ghostrider steps through a portal and walks off.

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    Specifically, the portal Aida built to bring Coulson and Fitz back, back when Eli was the main bad guy. The device that makes that portal is at least structurally intact, and it reactivates and then Ghostrider walks out from it.
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    And so the season ends, and I make ten bucks.

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    That was a really good ending, I think. Lotta good build up, lotta good action, some trickery by our heroes and Phil making some secret deal with the good satan. And then...SPACE BASE. Which is probably going to tie into the Inhumans series, which they teased at the end. Nice.

    Especially good and nice points for the ending of Radcliffe. This is how the world ends, with a-

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    That was a really good ending, I think. Lotta good build up, lotta good action, some trickery by our heroes and Phil making some secret deal with the good satan. And then...SPACE BASE. Which is probably going to tie into the Inhumans series, which they teased at the end. Nice.

    Especially good and nice points for the ending of Radcliffe. This is how the world ends, with a-
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    It was a really good ending. The combination of the last scene and the stinger confused me. We have to see what happens between the diner scene and the space base.

    And then there is the whole thing between Coulson and Robbie. Something to do with Coulson having come back from the dead, I assume.

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    It was immeasurably satisfying seeing AIDA fry. Evil bitch.

    However, watching Hope fade was considerably less satisfying. Poor Mack.

    I kinda wish they'd did a fade to black after Radcliffe died. That woulda made that scene perfect.

    And, uh, I guess Framework Ward is dead now too? Geez.


    So ... who wants to guess Coulson's secret?

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    My money is on him dying. Again.
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    Well, that happened.

    As finales go…not great.



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    Ahh, Skullboy. Possibly my least favorite character in the MCU, apart from the entire cast of a movie that just opened.

    I figured Skullboy would be key to destroying Aida, but the actual fight was anticlimactic. Swish, bamf, burn Aida with chain.

    And how exactly did Skullboy’s better half get into Coulson?


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    Did Fitz know that Aida was torturing a Jemmabot? Is he really that good at faking desperate misery?

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    Seriously, she needs a Starfleet uniform after that speech at the end about staying with the team.

    It wasn’t much of a speech in itself, and at that point in the episode it was just one more thing piled in. They tried to do way too much here, and everything was crammed in at odd angles.


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    Agreed that Radcliffe’s final line was the best scene in the episode.

    And it would’ve been perfect if that had been the very last scene.


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    Okay…who was it that caught the team at the end? And used the green flash drive thingy to paralyze them?

    And the stinger. I really don’t get the stinger. Is Coulson now a brainwashed asteroid miner? Is this yet another mind-trapped-in-fake-world scenario? Because the Framework was fun, but come on now.


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    So…about the Inhumans media…project…thing.

    It’s a movie…but it’s also a TV series? A movie leading directly to a TV series? Or the pilot episode shown in theaters?

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    Clearly those guys at the end ...

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    ... were aliens. Beyond that, I have no idea what their deal was.


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    The Superior is still active, isn't he? Several of his bodies were destroyed, but his brain is still preserved.
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    It was immeasurably satisfying seeing AIDA fry. Evil bitch.

    However, watching Hope fade was considerably less satisfying. Poor Mack.

    I kinda wish they'd did a fade to black after Radcliffe died. That woulda made that scene perfect.

    And, uh, I guess Framework Ward is dead now too? Geez.


    So ... who wants to guess Coulson's secret?

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    My money is on him dying. Again.
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    It...did fade to black though.


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    Well, that happened.

    As finales go…not great.



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    Ahh, Skullboy. Possibly my least favorite character in the MCU, apart from the entire cast of a movie that just opened.

    I figured Skullboy would be key to destroying Aida, but the actual fight was anticlimactic. Swish, bamf, burn Aida with chain.

    And how exactly did Skullboy’s better half get into Coulson?


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    Did Fitz know that Aida was torturing a Jemmabot? Is he really that good at faking desperate misery?

    And if not—if he thought Aida killed Jemma—then why wasn’t Fitz overcome with joy, relief, confusion and even more guilt when he sees the real Jemma is alive?


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    Seriously, she needs a Starfleet uniform after that speech at the end about staying with the team.

    It wasn’t much of a speech in itself, and at that point in the episode it was just one more thing piled in. They tried to do way too much here, and everything was crammed in at odd angles.


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    Agreed that Radcliffe’s final line was the best scene in the episode.

    And it would’ve been perfect if that had been the very last scene.


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    Okay…who was it that caught the team at the end? And used the green flash drive thingy to paralyze them?

    And the stinger. I really don’t get the stinger. Is Coulson now a brainwashed asteroid miner? Is this yet another mind-trapped-in-fake-world scenario? Because the Framework was fun, but come on now.


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    So…about the Inhumans media…project…thing.

    It’s a movie…but it’s also a TV series? A movie leading directly to a TV series? Or the pilot episode shown in theaters?
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    Fitz is just that good an actor, yes. He knew. What's funny is that if you're watching this and paying attention...there are inconsistent things there that show you it's a fake Jemma. Fitz's "No, not Jemma" wasn't quite as emotional as it should be. Jemma saying "this is all your fault Fitz" made no sense. But Aida is a human now. She can't TELL when people are ****ing with her. It shows just how powerless she really is now that she's no longer a machine.


    As for the Inhuman stuff coming, it was originally going to be a feature length movie. It's now going to be a TV series, with the pilot episode coming to cinemas before hand.

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    ... were aliens. Beyond that, I have no idea what their deal was.


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    The Superior is still active, isn't he? Several of his bodies were destroyed, but his brain is still preserved.
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    Yup, Superior should still be active. That'ts a plot thread to touch on later!

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