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    We do see them alter something in the matter stream on TNG, though. In the episode "The Most Toys," Data's in the act of firing a disruptor when the Enterprise beams him onboard, and they're able to deactivate it in transit.
    Transporters are the most plot driven technology in Star Trek.

    Sometimes they can turn a phaser off, sometimes the particle of the week stops them working, sometimes you can beam people to the brig, sometimes you can "resist" transporters, sometimes they combine two people into one, sometimes they split one person into two (sometimes one of them is evil), and sometimes you can hide in the pattern buffer for 80 years to be revived later.

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    I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of data involved in transporting anything. Think about it: the computer has to account for trillions of molecules and have to map them to their exact location. Misplace a single one and you might introduce cancer or the beginnings of a blood clot into someone. Furthermore it also has to account for the velocity and vector of each one, or internal organs will tear themselves apart when they remateriallize. Not to mention the charge they have, or the brain will immediately cease to function. Trying to remove strange metal from them? I hope they don't have any prostethesis they're relying on.

    So no, it makes perfect sense that they cannot "simply" filter something out. That would require you to know, ahead of time, what you shouldn't be transporting up and even then it's a tall order. Trying to manually, or even with the help of a computer, remove something from the matter stream is just inviting disaster.
    In fact, thinking about it... I'm surprised more people aren't as terrified of the process as Barklay from TNG is.
    Yeah as stated by others, they filter things out of the transporter all the time. But that's irrelevant to the point I was making anyways. They transported the space whale plus ship plus human aboard. At some point the transporter recreated a human being. To do so it had to scan that human being (plus the ship and whale) originally so how was it a surprise to anyone? You would know exactly what was inside the thing if you transported it on board because you recreated it. It's not like you tractor beamed the whale in and everything inside came along with it.

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    Transporters are the most plot driven technology in Star Trek.

    Sometimes they can turn a phaser off, sometimes the particle of the week stops them working, sometimes you can beam people to the brig, sometimes you can "resist" transporters, sometimes they combine two people into one, sometimes they split one person into two (sometimes one of them is evil), and sometimes you can hide in the pattern buffer for 80 years to be revived later.
    Wasn't the guy who resisted the transporter an engineered super soldier? He could very well have had a cybernetic implant or something specifically to counteract transporters.
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    Wasn't the guy who resisted the transporter an engineered super soldier? He could very well have had a cybernetic implant or something specifically to counteract transporters.
    I think they said it was all biochemical. It's just super inconsistent.

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    , sometimes the particle of the week stops them working, .
    As it was this week, where the field of the tower magically made them have to transport two days away from it.
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    Transporters are the most plot driven technology in Star Trek.

    Sometimes they can turn a phaser off, sometimes the particle of the week stops them working, sometimes you can beam people to the brig, sometimes you can "resist" transporters, sometimes they combine two people into one, sometimes they split one person into two (sometimes one of them is evil), and sometimes you can hide in the pattern buffer for 80 years to be revived later.
    There are three types of Star Trek episodes that make me groan: Transporter accidents, holodeck malfunctions, and time travel. (Though I actually like the DS9 episode where they combine a transporter accident with a holodeck malfunction.)
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    There are three types of Star Trek episodes that make me groan: Transporter accidents, holodeck malfunctions, and time travel. (Though I actually like the DS9 episode where they combine a transporter accident with a holodeck malfunction.)
    Each of those things allow you to go to any era and in alternative universes!

    Transporter accidents are special, in that they can also allow “you” to do some of those adventures simultaneously! Combining the holodeck with a transporter and you can even have non-existent people.

    I don’t know why you would be bothered when the possibilities caused by these accidents know no limits and probably end up with a Star Trek episode that mixes Trek sci-fi with a new genre with completely different expectations
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    There are three types of Star Trek episodes that make me groan: Transporter accidents, holodeck malfunctions, and time travel. (Though I actually like the DS9 episode where they combine a transporter accident with a holodeck malfunction.)
    What about "Just like Earth except...?"

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    A couple of thoughts
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    How many episodes of TNG and beyond do they have the "lock on to my signal" or "x to beam up only to have a "where is y?" Or "who is z?" Moment on the other side.

    Theoretically it should be impossible to transport the whale with ship and Mudd inside without knowing they are inside - more importantly it should be impossible to transport anything without then knowing how to recreate it - so this trick should give Starfleet time crystals and any time they transport any alien tech they should instantly know how to make it.

    The problem is that this has never been true within the series and transporters have predated replicators by 200 years despite being essentially the same technology (or when range - speed - and complexity are taken into account; far more advanced technology).

    Trek computers have usually been far far faster at computation than anything we've made (based on holodecks - transporters - damage reports - passive sensors and such...) but usually are "dumb" as far as AI are concerned. With the exception of Data and some aberrant holodeck programs the computers of Trek have shown little ability to anticipate. Even the ethical protocol in Discovery needed basic input to perform its function.

    So what does this mean for Transporters?

    I would hazard that the process involved crunching the data at the molecular data and recreating it without too much in the form of analysis. I can't think of any examples of intentionally altering the matter stream prior to TNG (so that would still be 100 years in the future after holodecks and replicators had advanced transporter technology for that kind of on-the-fly analysis. It is entirely plausible that the computer was so busy with the computation needed to recreate the creature at all that there wasn't any spare processor power to analyze what it was recreating.

    None of this takes into account how many loops it took Mudd might have had bypassing all our nitpicks or alien tech/interference that still unidentified ship might have given off.

    So it's a solid nitpick of the whole of Star Trek. Transporter tech is nowhere near logically used by the franchise. Discovery however is only guilty of repeating existing problems on this part. This is a damned if they do, damned if they don't example. If they "fix" the issue - they are breaking canon. If they don't then it's "bad writing".

    I really wouldn't mind a pre-Enterprise hard reboot of Trek which tried to reconcile Trek tech as hard-sci Fi.

    Warp - we have a theoretical model for this (the ships look more Vulcan than Starfleet). Using this as a model for early ships gives us a previously unvisited chapter of humans following Vulcan leadership.

    The protein resequencer / synthesizer / replicator precursors are clearly just our 3-D printers and advanced recycling/chemistry.

    Transporters would have to be flat out impossible.

    Communication across lightyears could be text only and work through quantum entanglement.

    Space battles would need to be completely different - heat management would be a major issue ...

    And with these changes it might as well be a whole new franchise where classic trek is an in-universe show because a lot of what make Trek what it is are these aesthetic and impossible elements. I love Trek but at the science level a lot of it flat doesn't make sense yet, and some may never turn out to be possible.

    Episode 7 was a fun bottle episode which involved time travel - I haven't seen any time travel stories that aren't full of plot-holes one way or another. I've seen a great many time travel stories which are fun and engaging (for my money this one was too). Still it is fun to nitpick.

    My two nitpicks would be:
    On the final loop - how did Stamets pull of his caper to mislead Mudd? He needed to find the others, get them up to speed, bypass Mudd's plans, escape notice, get to the bridge, convince Lorca (for the first time) - and get a believable performance out of everyone while they are all confused - all while racing against Mudd.

    I'm not saying it's not possible - just that they didn't do a great job showing that on the final iteration.

    Nitpick 2 - Mudd buying Lorca's deal at all. This is a guy who killed his crew and blew up his last ship to keep them out of Klingon hands. Mudd has no plan/way to keep his end of the bargain and yet Lorca expects Mudd to buy the Lorca trusts him to do just that.

    This plays to Mudd's arrogance so it sort of works - but still feels a little forced under careful inspection.

    This isn't an episode that feels like it's suppose to be that carefully scrutinized though. This was clearly a fun little bottle between major plot points in the "what's up with Lorca" plot, a fun milestone in the "what's up with Stamets plot" and the "Michael is healing/growing" plot.

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    So it is a bit odd that this Episode just picks up after episode 6, and just ignores the horrible episode 7.

    And...Fall Finale? WHAT? This show is only 13 Episodes right? 13 for a whole season? So we get 9 episodes....then a huge break...then they will come back with 4 episodes? This makes no sense...

    *So we get to see the USS Discovery in a fight....but it just shows us how useless one silly science vessel is in the war. So, sure, Discovery can teleport anywhere...but what can they do when they get there?

    *Why does every ship, both Starfleet and Klingon only shoot bolts of ''pew pew'' light? Why no single streams? The NX Enterprise had single stream phase cannons. The Constitution USS Enterprise had single stream phasers, as did most Next Generation era starships, so why don't any Discovery era ships have them?

    *I guess it is ok that no ship has a Shield Bubble...after all they don't come around until the Next Generation time...

    *USS Gagarin? So named after the astronaut, but why only the last name?

    *USS Hoover? Named after J. Edgar Hoover?

    *And sure, we see this in a lot of Trek, but as soon as the Klingon's cloak everyone is like ''oh well, we can't detect them''. No one ever thinks of the ''just fire a random pattern''....like Kick did way, way back in Balance of Terror....or we saw in Star Trek Nemesis.

    *So Lt. Stamet calls Cadet Tilly captain? Sure he is see another time/reality....but what reality/time would that be possible that Stamet would know and recognize Captain Tilly?

    *462 souls lost, on three ships? So like 150 some per ship? Seems like a lot for ''small'' ships...

    *Er tamper with a natural world for the selfish needs of Starfleet? Does not seem too good.

    *If Saru’s ‘threat detection’ works up to 10 kilometres away, and that his visual, auditory and tactical senses are super sensitive...how does he ever function day to day?

    *And how will the sound be transmuted through space? Radio waves?

    *If the Away Team was going to the ''Transmitter'', is there some reason they did not just take a shuttle....or do something Super Way Cool like Orbital Parachute Dive?

    *So Burnam says the Pahvonians are indistinguishable from the rest of the forest? So the tricorder reads the glowing lights as trees?

    *Er, so are the little balls of light creatures(the Pahvonians) Warp Capable? If not...the Prime Directive applies right?

    *How did the Pahvonians build the hut?

    *Of course the Lt. Stamus wants to hide the weird effects of the spores....like any good TV character....after all what is the worst that can happen, right? And why does no one else care and think to act?

    *Starfleet interrogates humanely? And she says that with a straight face...

    *The Federation has no Death Penalty? Well, except General Order Seven, the Talos IV death order....that happened a year ago. Though guess maybe the Admiral would not want to mention that....

    *Is Saru super strong? He crushes the two communicators like they were made of paper....

    *Wonder why Burnum did not just stand up, turn around and shoot Saru when he was like 50 feet away?

    Final-C, er, well, guess this is all just a set up for episode 9.

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    I haven't seen an episode. I have read a synopsis. If the synopsis is accurate I'm glad I have not been watching. It is not Star Trek. It's a poor man's Star Wars set in the Star Trek universe, and it's not even a plausible Star Wars. No exploration. No discoveries. Just fighting, space battles, and conflicts, nothing that makes Star Trek be Star Trek.

    Star Trek has become garbage. Star Trek Enterprise was Porn Trek. The new Star Trek movies are Die Hard In Space. Star Trek Discovery is Starfleet Battles the TV show.
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    I haven't seen an episode. I have read a synopsis. If the synopsis is accurate I'm glad I have not been watching. It is not Star Trek. It's a poor man's Star Wars set in the Star Trek universe, and it's not even a plausible Star Wars. No exploration. No discoveries. Just fighting, space battles, and conflicts, nothing that makes Star Trek be Star Trek.

    Star Trek has become garbage. Star Trek Enterprise was Porn Trek. The new Star Trek movies are Die Hard In Space. Star Trek Discovery is Starfleet Battles the TV show.
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    So it is a bit odd that this Episode just picks up after episode 6, and just ignores the horrible episode 7.

    And...Fall Finale? WHAT? This show is only 13 Episodes right? 13 for a whole season? So we get 9 episodes....then a huge break...then they will come back with 4 episodes? This makes no sense...
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    *So we get to see the USS Discovery in a fight....but it just shows us how useless one silly science vessel is in the war. So, sure, Discovery can teleport anywhere...but what can they do when they get there?
    Um, kick the snot out of a Klingon warship that can lay waste to a planet, enough to make the Klingon ship cloak and prepare to retreat?

    *462 souls lost, on three ships? So like 150 some per ship? Seems like a lot for ''small'' ships...

    The US's current, smallest warship, the Freedom class of the Littoral Combat Ships have a complement of 100ish, Fast frigates had 200+, Destroyers nearly 300, Cruisers 400+, even submarines are 130+...so this number certainly seems possible.



    *If the Away Team was going to the ''Transmitter'', is there some reason they did not just take a shuttle....or do something Super Way Cool like Orbital Parachute Dive?
    This was explained in the episode...


    *Er, so are the little balls of light creatures(the Pahvonians) Warp Capable? If not...the Prime Directive applies right?
    As was this...

    *How did the Pahvonians build the hut?
    Grown, maybe a better choice of words?

    *Of course the Lt. Stamus wants to hide the weird effects of the spores....like any good TV character....after all what is the worst that can happen, right? And why does no one else care and think to act?
    Watch the next episode, it is brought up

    *Starfleet interrogates humanely? And she says that with a straight face...
    And?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pex View Post
    I haven't seen an episode. I have read a synopsis. If the synopsis is accurate I'm glad I have not been watching. It is not Star Trek. It's a poor man's Star Wars set in the Star Trek universe, and it's not even a plausible Star Wars. No exploration. No discoveries. Just fighting, space battles, and conflicts, nothing that makes Star Trek be Star Trek.

    Star Trek has become garbage. Star Trek Enterprise was Porn Trek. The new Star Trek movies are Die Hard In Space. Star Trek Discovery is Starfleet Battles the TV show.
    I don't really know what to say here. I don't know how you judge the series from a single synopsis. I mean there was what, 1 big space battle (the premier) and a few other fights in space that weren't really the main point of any episode.

    If I go through the episodes:
    1-2: Setting the stage. Has a big climactic space battle.
    3: Still setting the stage since there's a decent time jump between 1-2 and 3.
    4: Studying alien life form to power new technology. Small space battle at the end.
    5: Realizing life form is probably sentient and being hurt by the prior study. Capture and prison escape as well. Minor space battle at the end.
    6: Weird mental link/dream type episode due to alien mind effects.
    7: Time-loop episode.
    8: Weird alien planet and lifeforms. Space battle at the beginning.
    9: Haven't seen yet.

    All pretty much episodes that could fit into most Star Trek series IMO.

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    So, as of episode 9, I have to commend Discovery. I haven't been eager for another episode of Star Trek since DS9 was on the air, and Discovery has delivered. The first 9 episodes are one of the strongest starts for a Star Trek series since TOS. Compare the first 9 of any other Trek series, and I find Discovery ranks above them.

    Admittedly, there are areas I'd like to see improved on.

    1. I really want more development of the bridge crew. I barely know their names, and I'd like to learn more. It's a real missed opportunity that we haven't had a scene of dialogue between Burnham and the helm officer from the Shenzhou.
    2. There are times where Discovery feels rushed, or that certain plot elements are being fast-tracked.
    3. You can't say it's not a Trek series, given some of the clunky dialogue. But even I thought they were laying it on a little thick leading up to the very obvious cliffhanger.
    4. Lorca needs to be called on his crap more. I find he's a shady character and that the show seems to be giving him a pass.
    5. I still miss Captain Georgiou.

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    I haven't seen an episode. I have read a synopsis. If the synopsis is accurate I'm glad I have not been watching. It is not Star Trek. It's a poor man's Star Wars set in the Star Trek universe, and it's not even a plausible Star Wars. No exploration. No discoveries. Just fighting, space battles, and conflicts, nothing that makes Star Trek be Star Trek.

    Star Trek has become garbage. Star Trek Enterprise was Porn Trek. The new Star Trek movies are Die Hard In Space. Star Trek Discovery is Starfleet Battles the TV show.
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    Why does nobody seem to remember the mining engineer, humanitarian, 31st president of the US, and avid fisherman, Herbert Hoover?
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    Why do they keep making [expletive deleted] prequels!?

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    Personally I think that if they insist on doing more and more of these prequel series they ought to go back further in the continuity, way further. Do a series about Khan Noonien Singh, or Gary Seven, or Redjac, or Surak, or the Tkon empire

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    The problem is that this has never been true within the series and transporters have predated replicators by 200 years despite being essentially the same technology (or when range - speed - and complexity are taken into account; far more advanced technology).
    And also basically the same technology as the holodeck as well. IIRC this is stated explicitly in one of the early episodes of TNG.

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    I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of data involved in transporting anything. Think about it: the computer has to account for trillions of molecules and have to map them to their exact location. Misplace a single one and you might introduce cancer or the beginnings of a blood clot into someone. Furthermore it also has to account for the velocity and vector of each one, or internal organs will tear themselves apart when they remateriallize. Not to mention the charge they have, or the brain will immediately cease to function. Trying to remove strange metal from them? I hope they don't have any prostethesis they're relying on.
    My headcanon is that the transporter breaks down matter in some sort of highly ordered fashion and the matter/energy itself retains this order while in transit or storage. Thus aloowing for it to be done with minimal computation and also explaining why it is difficult to reconfigure or to copy something or someone

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    My headcanon is that the transporter breaks down matter in some sort of highly ordered fashion and the matter/energy itself retains this order while in transit or storage. Thus aloowing for it to be done with minimal computation and also explaining why it is difficult to reconfigure or to copy something or someone
    How does that produce Tuvix though?

    How does it disentangle Tuvix to reproduce both Tuvok and Neelix?

    Why would anyone do anything that produced Neelix?

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    I presume his parents were in heat or something.

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    I haven't seen an episode. I have read a synopsis. If the synopsis is accurate I'm glad I have not been watching. It is not Star Trek. It's a poor man's Star Wars set in the Star Trek universe, and it's not even a plausible Star Wars. No exploration. No discoveries. Just fighting, space battles, and conflicts, nothing that makes Star Trek be Star Trek.

    Star Trek has become garbage. Star Trek Enterprise was Porn Trek. The new Star Trek movies are Die Hard In Space. Star Trek Discovery is Starfleet Battles the TV show.
    Why would you read a synopsis? I haven't watched any episodes, seen any trailers, read any synopsis or even been reading this thread. I feel this qualifies me for discussing the show. Really, I just clicked on this thread on a whim to see what people were saying and read this post. It's too funny not to reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerMug Paladin View Post
    Why would you read a synopsis? I haven't watched any episodes, seen any trailers, read any synopsis or even been reading this thread. I feel this qualifies me for discussing the show. Really, I just clicked on this thread on a whim to see what people were saying and read this post. It's too funny not to reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImperiousLeader View Post
    So, as of episode 9, I have to commend Discovery. I haven't been eager for another episode of Star Trek since DS9 was on the air, and Discovery has delivered. The first 9 episodes are one of the strongest starts for a Star Trek series since TOS. Compare the first 9 of any other Trek series, and I find Discovery ranks above them.
    Here here.

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    1. I really want more development of the bridge crew. I barely know their names, and I'd like to learn more. It's a real missed opportunity that we haven't had a scene of dialogue between Burnham and the helm officer from the Shenzhou.
    2. There are times where Discovery feels rushed, or that certain plot elements are being fast-tracked.
    I feel that the nature of the show means that we aren't going to get a chance to explore each of the background characters, even numerous bridge crew members, and that Discovery will feel rushed, especially compared to other Star Trek shows.

    This is a centering around Michael Burnham and occasionally a much smaller number of crew members. It is not the ensemble show that previous Trek's were. Also, these episodes are very heavy, we have only had 9 episodes but in those 9 episodes we changed ships, got a new member of the main cast, sent the chief engineer through multiple genetic alterations (and some ups and downs with his love life), gained and lost a giant tardigrade mascot, saw a lot of growth and revelations regarding Lorca, Saru, Till, basically everyone the show HAS decided to focus on. Meanwhile, the Klingon side of the war has blown through three military leaders (suggestion to prolong your life, do not volunteer to be the next one), and we've seen a lot about what each one is like.

    This show is full on serialized, each episode changes the status quo, and each episode builds on the previous one. Given how much they pack into each episode, that some parts are going to seem rushed is inevitable.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImperiousLeader View Post
    3. You can't say it's not a Trek series, given some of the clunky dialogue. But even I thought they were laying it on a little thick leading up to the very obvious cliffhanger.
    4. Lorca needs to be called on his crap more. I find he's a shady character and that the show seems to be giving him a pass.
    5. I still miss Captain Georgiou.
    This show clearly celebrates many essential things about classic Star Trek, and yes, the they talk like they do in a Trek show, but we still have people cutting into the thread several months in just to snipe and say this show isn't Star Trek.

    I think the changes in type of show is welcomed (to a war with a POV character), the change in aesthetics was necessary, and of technology desirable, and it really forges a future for Trek shows that can potentially allow it to branch out into brave new parts of the sci-fi genre. The show retains essential elements of other Trek shows like the professionalism and seriousness of the crew, the desire to explore, and an overall hopeful vision of the future, even if that vision is expressed under the dark lens of war or simply whispered about in a darkened room due to Lorca's vision handicap.

    Lorca seems to be painted as a dark figure that does what is necessary rather than what is right. If he simply got called out for what he was doing and pushed to do things a more conventional way by his crew, the very fabric of the show would be different. Lorca may end up in a bad place for his deeds, but a lot of what he does makes the Discovery what it is.

    Captain Georgiou will live on in our hearts, and probably an alternative dimension the crew will visit one of these episodes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    Here here.



    I feel that the nature of the show means that we aren't going to get a chance to explore each of the background characters, even numerous bridge crew members, and that Discovery will feel rushed, especially compared to other Star Trek shows.

    This is a centering around Michael Burnham and occasionally a much smaller number of crew members. It is not the ensemble show that previous Trek's were. Also, these episodes are very heavy, we have only had 9 episodes but in those 9 episodes we changed ships, got a new member of the main cast, sent the chief engineer through multiple genetic alterations (and some ups and downs with his love life), gained and lost a giant tardigrade mascot, saw a lot of growth and revelations regarding Lorca, Saru, Till, basically everyone the show HAS decided to focus on. Meanwhile, the Klingon side of the war has blown through three military leaders (suggestion to prolong your life, do not volunteer to be the next one), and we've seen a lot about what each one is like.

    This show is full on serialized, each episode changes the status quo, and each episode builds on the previous one. Given how much they pack into each episode, that some parts are going to seem rushed is inevitable.



    This show clearly celebrates many essential things about classic Star Trek, and yes, the they talk like they do in a Trek show, but we still have people cutting into the thread several months in just to snipe and say this show isn't Star Trek.

    I think the changes in type of show is welcomed (to a war with a POV character), the change in aesthetics was necessary, and of technology desirable
    It was neither necessary nor desirable however, for them to do yet another prequel

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