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    Of course, you could go the opposite: have verbs whose conjugation carries all the information you need, so you don't actually need the prono...

    ...oh, hey Spanish, I didn't see you there.
    FYI, there are cases in Spanish where it can be ambiguous (context in which first person singular and third person singular (which may be used politely to mean someone who normally would be second person singular) all could conceivably be committing the action in question).

    (Vast majority of cases, of course, it's clear.)
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    Do Australians really talk like in Waltzing Matilda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    Do Australians really talk like in Waltzing Matilda?
    Some clarification, please.
    Do you mean 'do Australians use words you have hitherto only heard in the song "Waltzing Matilda"?'
    Or 'do Australians formulate their sentences as they do in WM?'
    Or 'do Australians pronounce words the way some recording of WM I've heard does?'
    Something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWR View Post
    Some clarification, please.
    Do you mean 'do Australians use words you have hitherto only heard in the song "Waltzing Matilda"?'
    Or 'do Australians formulate their sentences as they do in WM?'
    Or 'do Australians pronounce words the way some recording of WM I've heard does?'
    Something else?
    Same.

    But I think they are asking if the non-standard words are actually in current use? I'd imagine that bilabong and tucker bag probably are, while, say, jumbuck less so except by people actually keeping sheep.

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    The question is mostly about the lexicon. The one other thing that I find a bit odd is "that" for "shoved that jumbuck ", instead of "the jumbuck", but it might be to prepare for the question by the trooper later (whose is that jolly jumbuck).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    The question is mostly about the lexicon. The one other thing that I find a bit odd is "that" for "shoved that jumbuck ", instead of "the jumbuck", but it might be to prepare for the question by the trooper later (whose is that jolly jumbuck).
    Eh, it's not a terribly common way of formulating specificity these days but it's grammatically acceptable and has historical precedence. I'll leave it to the experts to say whether it is appropriate or at least not inappropriate for Australians of the time the song is meant to take place. As for the words, again I'll bow to the superior knowledge of actual Australians but my impression is they do see some use, if not daily in most places. Maybe a bit antiquated.

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    Not a misuse per se, more like something formerly correct that's become obsolete, but I don't like singing Deck the Halls because about half the words in the song are used in deprecated senses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    Do Australians really talk like in Waltzing Matilda?
    Do all Americans talk like they do in "Yankee Doodle"? No, of course not. Nobody I know has referred to a dandy as a "doodle", or talks about macaroni wigs.

    Similarly, "Waltzing Matilda" is a song written in 1895 at a cattle and sheep station, using the late 19th century jargon of that place. Modern Australians rarely talk about swagmen, billabongs or jumbucks.

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