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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post
    The characters steal from their own intro off-story panel. The Giant does Silly pretty good.

    This is, by the Giant's own word there was no plot at all when he started the comic, just a bunch of generic adventurers already in a generic dungeon and rolling with it. And everybody has time to crack jokes no matter how dire the situation.
    And Erfworld was always a juxtaposition of the silly with the serious. Which is why cartoony stuff like eyes being different sizes shows up in Book 1, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post
    Said head is smaller than Hamster's hand at 3rd panel despite the characters not changing positions.

    Also Hamster's bracer went missing in the last panel.
    Hamster's hand is drawn as abnormally large throughout the update. It's practically as large as his own head. And it's even covered in panel 2, so you can't actually compare it to panel 3.

    Hamster's bracer is covered by his other sleeve. Whether you think a tiny bit of black should be poking out is not enough to conclude much of anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post
    Whoever's the new artist draw a proper mass fight sequence like Stanley vs Jillian showdown first then you can argue that.

    This is, technically there's been a bunch of big shootouts in Tee Vee AND WE GOT TO SEE ZERO ACTION FROM IT. Only the "before" and "after". At least David could draw big combats.
    Everything with Lilith and the MK shootout happened under Xin. For that matter, the entirety of frickin' Jetstone happened under Xin, albeit with a different production regime.

    I rate the quality of your arguments as far below the quality of any of the artists, including David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomaO2 View Post
    As soon as Xin took over, it was back to those dead brown eyes again, cause, apparently, no one is capable of drawing pupils except David. [/FONT]
    As an amateur artist, I find it very hard to include separate pupils without making it look creepy. It really isn't as simple as putting a black circle in the middle. Now, Xin's a professional (if you make a living doing it, you're a professional), and thus doesn't have the excuse, but it's still a challenge, particularly for some art styles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lethologica View Post
    I rate the quality of your arguments as far below the quality of any of the artists, including David.
    Holy crap.



    Re: the pupils. Only Parson has ever had them. Erfworld characters never have. They've always monochrome eyes. So why is this a problem now? David's eyes were just like the rest of David's art. Terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razade View Post
    Re: the pupils. Only Parson has ever had them. Erfworld characters never have. They've always monochrome eyes. So why is this a problem now?
    Jillian has pupils. Her wiki pic even has them in great detail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Razade View Post
    David's eyes were just like the rest of David's art. Terrible.
    Terrible compared to what? We got most of book 3 out of it and we got it in a much regular schedule.

    Heck, with David Rob could advance the plot with barely any text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post

    Please kill me.

    Look at those eyes, just look. Human eyes are simply not supposed to be so far apart that they'll look different sized from perspective. It's a basic newbie mistake and it is just wrong and looks bad unless you're going for a silly style which archons aren't supposed to be. And there's supposed to be 3 artists working on this?

    And it's not just that panel, the perspective keeps shifting in basically every panel, like between the 1st and 2nd Stanley shrinks quite a bit compared to Hamster.
    Curse you for showing me that. I like Xin's art

    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post
    YAY STANLEY LEADING THE CHARGE!
    WITH A PIKE!
    I like that in theory, but I have a bad feeling about it. There are a few hints Jillian might attune to the arkenhammer, and that bodes not well for Stanley.

    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post
    Jillian has pupils. Her wiki pic even has them in great detail.


    Terrible compared to what? We got most of book 3 out of it and we got it in a much regular schedule.

    Heck, with David Rob could advance the plot with barely any text.
    That page worked with his art. But at its best David's art gave me a feeling of "this is okay". It is not as detailed and cute as Xin's, and not as dynamic as Jaimie's. He has a gallery of example art, and it looks good, but the style does not fit for Erfworld.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welf View Post
    Curse you for showing me that. I like Xin's art
    On a human face, at an angle beyond about thirty degrees from forward, the nasal bridge will begin to occlude the far eye. However, depicting this explicitly tends to put far too much emphasis on the nose. Drawing the far eye slightly smaller achieves this effect without making it seem like the character has a huge nose.

    Also, the original criticism assumes archons have human eyes at all, and not, say, glowing points of light. *waits for someone to link to a text-only update from a side story that explains archon eyes*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razade View Post
    Re: the pupils. Only Parson has ever had them. Erfworld characters never have. They've always monochrome eyes. So why is this a problem now? David's eyes were just like the rest of David's art. Terrible.
    Yes, every character EXCEPT PARSON lacked pupils. I specifically said that is the reason why it bothered me that Jamie stopped including them. David was the first artist that actually gave Parson his pupils back, and when he left, they disappeared again. It's not a new issue, I've been reading this comic since it was first posted in the website, and it's ALWAYS annoyed me. It's my biggest pet peeve with the art.


    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post
    Aside from the fact that your link does not show Jillian in great detail, the fact is that what she has is an iris, not a pupil. There is a little bit of whiteness on the iris, but that's to indicate light reflecting off them.

    A pupil is the black part of the eye, not the coloured part. Parson is the only character with pupils. It is his signature human physical trait (along with blood), as was was shown very clearly in the early part of book 1, before Jamie got lazy and stopped including it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomaO2 View Post
    Aside from the fact that your link does not show Jillian in great detail, the fact is that what she has is an iris, not a pupil. There is a little bit of whiteness on the iris, but that's to indicate light reflecting off them.

    A pupil is the black part of the eye, not the coloured part. Parson is the only character with pupils. It is his signature human physical trait (along with blood), as was was shown very clearly in the early part of book 1, before Jamie got lazy and stopped including it.
    Wiki Jillian has pupils, they're just mostly hidden by the white reflection bit just like Hamster's own. If you zoom in the wiki pic you'll see Jillian's black bit just under said reflection.

    Although it seems that in-comic Jillian gets neither iris nor reflection so nevermind that, seems like it was just concept art for the character cast page.

    As for Hamster's stupidworld humie traits, he's also taller than Erfworld's "humans", with only ogres matching his height, not to mention more realistic body proportions while everybody else's more chibi/super-deformed style.
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    I know the comic does not have much going on at the moment, but come one? there got to be more interesting stuff to discuss than pupils or the lack of them?
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    It was within the broader context of talking about David's art. I simply stated a thing I liked about it, and people want to disagree. The lack of pupils is a sore spot though. It's a very important issue to me, personally, so I'd appreciate you not acting so dimissing about it.

    You know, I asked Rob about it, way back in book 1, and he didn't want to give any hints. I was left to wonder if it was a story based reason for this, or if it was part of the art change. I personally hoped it was the former option. When Xin came in for book 2, she followed up on the same style of art for Parson's eyes, and I asked her about it too. She said she was just copying book 1, and hadn't been told anything. I don't know if she talked to Rob about it later on or not. I was left wondering again. Then David comes in, and he added them proving once and for all that, yes, it was just a frikken art change. Just another let down, after YEARS of wondering about this.

    The summoning of Parson is one of my favorite bits in the entire series. Had my favourite interaction between Stanley and Parson. Lots of close up shots between the two, it established Parson as being quick on the ball, and able to give as good as he got, even when in a really bad situation. There were also interesting bits of information, like the first mention that Parson lacks a stat board (which was almost never mentioned again, even though that should immediately draw the eye of any unit capable of seeing them), a mysterious headache (due to being at a higher elevation then before, and not something interesting, like magic inserting itself into his brain), potato men (just a one-off joke). I feel like there was a lot more potential from it than ended up being realized. The only thing that really stuck was the Tool joke.

    Parson was honestly at his best in book 1. I miss the battle board, I miss strategic thinking.
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