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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    That could very well be going in the next comic, and he's just nipping the 700 emails he'll get about it in the bud now.

    Edit: well, I guess not. Still, it could have been worked into a joke about the comic being in greyscale.
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    I feel like Dan could do with a sounding board for ideas. All he needed to avoid this confusion he saw coming was show two distinct effects. Perhaps a ray that hits the eyes and the result being colour blindness.
    He could also have changed the dialogue slightly. Instead of "I've gone colorblind", something like "I've also gone colorblind" would be a hunt that they're two different things. "I've turned into a gecko and I've also gone colorblind" wouldn't make sense if they weren't two different things. I mean, you wouldn't say "I've turned into a gecko and I've also turned into a reptile" for instance.
    There is also the fact that the sound effect for the transformation is "gecko'd"."Gecko'd and colorblinded" would have been too much text (not to mention spoiling the punchline), but putting only one of the effect there emphasizes the idea that there is only one.

    But in the interest of fairness I should point out that one thing I'm really happy about is the lack of breasts on the humanoid gecko. I think the giant did a good job at making fun of non-mammalian mammaries (although unfortunately it was construed as a transphobic joke) and it's nice that Dan isn't going that way, considering his... proclivities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lissou View Post
    He could also have changed the dialogue slightly. Instead of "I've gone colorblind", something like "I've also gone colorblind" would be a hunt that they're two different things. "I've turned into a gecko and I've also gone colorblind" wouldn't make sense if they weren't two different things. I mean, you wouldn't say "I've turned into a gecko and I've also turned into a reptile" for instance.
    There is also the fact that the sound effect for the transformation is "gecko'd"."Gecko'd and colorblinded" would have been too much text (not to mention spoiling the punchline), but putting only one of the effect there emphasizes the idea that there is only one.
    I think that what happened is that Dan relied too heavily on the "just put extra info in the commentary" crutch and, as such, Dan didn't even think about any possibilities to head off the questions in the comic itself.

    Basically, upon noticing that people would think that "colorblind" and "gecko" are the same thing, Dan decided to say otherwise in the commentary rather than thinking about what small changes in the text could be made to answer it instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5a Violista View Post
    I think that what happened is that Dan relied too heavily on the "just put extra info in the commentary" crutch and, as such, Dan didn't even think about any possibilities to head off the questions in the comic itself.

    Basically, upon noticing that people would think that "colorblind" and "gecko" are the same thing, Dan decided to say otherwise in the commentary rather than thinking about what small changes in the text could be made to answer it instead.

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    This is one of the reasons why I don't like how necessary the commentary is to the comic.
    Assuming the commentaries are done before the comic is finalized.

    The "why didn't I reference Spider-Man?" line implies otherwise, and regardless most ways of establishing that the colorblindness is seperate would either be clunky or take up panel space, which would get people complaining about the storyline being too wordy.

    (The "Also I've gone color blind" change that was suggested isn't clear enough--it'd still get people complaining that Geko's aren't color blind.)
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    Since I currently find Dan's NP strips usually more entertaining than his main story:

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    So, that's Luke. I wonder if his presence might mean something plot-related.

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    Yes, it is.
    And another question- if Nanase is still barefoot after transforming back, what happened to her footwear? And is Sarah also still barefoot?
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    That last panel, in today's NP, is just too good.
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    Speaking of that EGS:NP, I'm getting some Mesopotamian mythology vibes and I don't know how I feel about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo360 View Post
    Speaking of that EGS:NP, I'm getting some Mesopotamian mythology vibes and I don't know how I feel about that.
    I'm not sure what's the relationship between Mesopotamian mythology and colorblind geckos with long hair and stolen shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gez View Post
    I'm not sure what's the relationship between Mesopotamian mythology and colorblind geckos with long hair and stolen shoes.
    Specifically the stolen shoes; it reminds me of Ishtar's descent into the underworld. Let's just say that I'm worried about what will happen if the pattern established here continues for the next few rooms.

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    It's only happened once so far, which doesn't qualify as a pattern. Also, I think the author's established practices preclude the possibility of it going too far - while he has been gradually getting more comfortable with drawing nudity and near-nudity, he puts such things in separate designated places, not in either of the primary comic sections (story and NP).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
    It's only happened once so far, which doesn't qualify as a pattern. Also, I think the author's established practices preclude the possibility of it going too far - while he has been gradually getting more comfortable with drawing nudity and near-nudity, he puts such things in separate designated places, not in either of the primary comic sections (story and NP).
    I know, I just can't help noticing the parallel.

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    Interesting to see the point in the newest story comic being brought up again, especially considering how many of the details of said point have changed after Sister III's ending. It does leave me wondering since Magic has given up on being a hipster, what ARE its priorities now?

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    It does leave me wondering since Magic has given up on being a hipster, what ARE its priorities now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo360 View Post
    Interesting to see the point in the newest story comic being brought up again, especially considering how many of the details of said point have changed after Sister III's ending. It does leave me wondering since Magic has given up on being a hipster, what ARE its priorities now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
    It wants humans to use magic!
    I mean, yeah, but there's got to be more than that, right? It's implied that its priorities have shifted, but I don't know how, and I'm hoping the seers do.

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    I don't think we really can know what magic wants since it is a truly alien entity, so much so that it's not even really an entity. Trying to figure out magic's desires is like trying to imagine the fourth spacial dimension: it probably exists, but we are absolutely incapable of understanding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestia View Post
    I don't think we really can know what magic wants since it is a truly alien entity, so much so that it's not even really an entity. Trying to figure out magic's desires is like trying to imagine the fourth spacial dimension: it probably exists, but we are absolutely incapable of understanding it.
    Actually, hyperdimensional or even differential geometry is way easier, since we can actually describe them accurately. From description comes understanding and even some kind of intuition. But I do understand the sentiment: we cannot imagine anything that is not at least a bit based on our own experiances - imagination doesn't work from nothing.

    What did change in priorities of magic for sure is that earlier it wanted to remain largely hidden. Did abandonment of such goal changed other priorities (whatever they may be) remains unknown. I still am rather uneasy about the Uryuom getting magic back, but this time around humanity has Edward Verres, so things should work out somehow.
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    Is it bad that my first thought wasn't that Sarah shrank but that her clothes grew?
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    Say what you will about this comic, at least it treats a character death (albeit a somewhat reversible one) with gravity. I mean, it's making a joke out of that, but gravity you laugh at is still gravity nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    That sounds like 90% of slapstick jokes:
    Does that mean the most recent comic is a pathos pratfall? A pathfall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo360 View Post
    Say what you will about this comic, at least it treats a character death (albeit a somewhat reversible one) with gravity. I mean, it's making a joke out of that, but gravity you laugh at is still gravity nonetheless.
    I think that there is a problem though, the characters react based on what they have seen, but I find it very hard to empathize with them, given that Pandora tried to make a murderer of Verres, gave a beating to Magus when he didn't want to go along with that, and generally toyed with people; and, while she did all of this while she was insane, she chose to be insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    I think that there is a problem though, the characters react based on what they have seen, but I find it very hard to empathize with them, given that Pandora tried to make a murderer of Verres, gave a beating to Magus when he didn't want to go along with that, and generally toyed with people; and, while she did all of this while she was insane, she chose to be insane.
    Yes.

    Not only that, she didn't even die. The comic made this big thing of her reward for endangering everyone around her for centuries because she didn't want to accept the life cycle of her people being...that she didn't have to accept the life cycle of her people, ever.
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    The only thing that I actively dislike about this comic is Dan's tendency to shoehorn in his fetishes as often as possible. I don't mind them coming up as long as they fit with plot, tone, and theme of the story, but they often don't. For instance, this Tomb Raider parody has long since stopped having anything to do with Tomb Raider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    I think that there is a problem though, the characters react based on what they have seen, but I find it very hard to empathize with them, given that Pandora tried to make a murderer of Verres, gave a beating to Magus when he didn't want to go along with that, and generally toyed with people; and, while she did all of this while she was insane, she chose to be insane.
    I forget, who exactly actually knows about that? I don't think even Verres does. I also don't remember if Magus named dropped the immortal that he considered to be "the worse of the lot" but teamed up with anyways.

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    You have to remember who Pandora was to Tedd and Sarah specifically; it's only a slice of who she is as a whole. Combine that with the fact that they don't know how long it'll be until she returns, and that she'll certainly come back a lot different than she was before, and it's easy to see why they're having the reactions they are.

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    Re: Pandora.

    Pandora didn't choose to be insane. she chose to always be there for her son and had a major breakdown when she realized that her actions were unintentionally hurting her loved ones.

    Her managing to refresh isn't her being rewarded for being a crazy psycho-bitch, it's her having tried to find a way to be there for her son,grand-godson, and friends without having to worry about ending up crazy-psycho-bitch and hurting them again.

    Considering that she clearly wasn't expecting to come back as her self, or at least was far from sure, her forced reset after killing he Vampires counts as Redemption Equals Death viaHeroic Sacrifice(Of note, by driving Vampires to the brink of extinction, she's indirectly saved countless lives.)
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    The only thing that I actively dislike about this comic is Dan's tendency to shoehorn in his fetishes as often as possible. I don't mind them coming up as long as they fit with plot, tone, and theme of the story, but they often don't. For instance, this Tomb Raider parody has long since stopped having anything to do with Tomb Raider.
    1: Dan said that the Tomb raider aspects were tacked on and Superficial and that the story was mostly about transformation based puzzle solving back when this storyline got started.
    2: You're complaining that transformation is excessive and contrived in a transformation comic?

    I mean... You read the Early Arcs, right? You should have known what you were getting into when Teddjustrandomly had a transformation gun introduced with "you know that transformation gun you've got?" and no explanation of where it came from untill a couple years later.
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    1: Dan said that the Tomb raider aspects were tacked on and Superficial and that the story was mostly about transformation based puzzle solving back when this storyline got started.
    2: You're complaining that transformation is excessive and contrived in a transformation comic?

    I mean... You read the Early Arcs, right? You should have known what you were getting into when Teddjustrandomly had a transformation gun introduced with "you know that transformation gun you've got?" and no explanation of where it came from untill a couple years later.
    1. Which is annoying.

    2. That's not what I said.
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