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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    And, at that point, the retcon was complete. Dan had struck again.
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    It's not a Retcon if it doesn't contradict things we'd been shown or told.
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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    Man this is one weird way to have an internal monologue.^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrinar View Post
    Man this is one weird way to have an internal monologue.^^
    Not that weird. One of my best friends frequently describes their own internal monologues in similar fashion - literally two separate self-images having rather amusing conversations where sometimes they are less than civil to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrinar View Post
    Man this is one weird way to have an internal monologue.^^
    I dunno. Haley had a weirder one when she was aphasiac.

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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    So...redeeming the mean, selfish girl involves establishing that she's a virgin and having her switch to dressing (in the words of Lucy) like a nun.

    This is more nauseating than you've been since the days of early Tedd, Dan, and worse for being dressed up in self-aware smugness about how progressive you think you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    So...redeeming the mean, selfish girl involves establishing that she's a virgin and having her switch to dressing (in the words of Lucy) like a nun.

    This is more nauseating than you've been since the days of early Tedd, Dan, and worse for being dressed up in self-aware smugness about how progressive you think you are.
    Hi did you notice he drew an image of Nanase in revealing clothing as an example of 'goodness' in this exact comic

    She's dressing like she used to dress when she was a kid. That's the point. She wants to return to the way she used to be, so she's modelling her appearance on how she used to look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    So...redeeming the mean, selfish girl involves establishing that she's a virgin and having her switch to dressing (in the words of Lucy) like a nun.
    I bet neither of these will be very important when it comes to redeeming Diane. Your description doesn't really seem to fit what we've seen from Dan Shive so far.

    Edit: Seems pretty likely I'll win that bet if anyone dares to bet against me.


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    I consider the outfit similarities something of an afterthought, particularly given the focus on her hair, but no, I'm not accusing such outfits of being evil or bad if one wishes to wear them.

    This is especially true given other characters I've shown wearing them, and the fact that Grace would wear even less if she could get away with it."
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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    I'm guessing that Justin is the "only guy [Diane is] sure [Diane] should apologize to", unless there's another candidate that I'm forgetting.

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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnoman View Post
    I'm guessing that Justin is the "only guy [Diane is] sure [Diane] should apologize to", unless there's another candidate that I'm forgetting.
    No that was pretty heavily implied with him literally appearing in the background of that very panel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestia View Post
    No that was pretty heavily implied with him literally appearing in the background of that very panel.
    Justin's not distinct enough in wardrobe for me to recognize him from the back. I just assumed it was a random person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnoman View Post
    Justin's not distinct enough in wardrobe for me to recognize him from the back. I just assumed it was a random person.
    That's why I recognized him from the weird, 90s hair cut. *nod*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestia View Post
    That's why I recognized him from the weird, 90s hair cut. *nod*
    I did too, once you pointed it out.

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    Whoo! Superhero landing! You know, that's really hard on your knees.
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    This looks like a Catalina kind of plan.
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    The Diane strip is OK, but the NP strips with bubbly Susan are adorable.

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    Diane? Sweety... There's this thing where the louder you deny something, the more it seems true...

    ...this isn't gonna work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Diane? Sweety... There's this thing where the louder you deny something, the more it seems true...

    ...this isn't gonna work.
    It has been indicated that she already knows that. This and Dan's commentary make me think she has a different plan.

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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    Well, there are a bunch of guys who might believe her because they dated her, and if enough of them lied about it because of the pressure to not seem the one loser who didn't make it and decide that pressure's off now...
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    Introducing a new medicine for witnessing all stupidly foolish actions: Palm! Apply directly to the forehead.

    But yeah, this totally won't go horribly wrong. Watch, everyone will take her at word and go "oh really? that explains it Diane. Thank for informing us all at once and clearing this matter up as soon as possible in front of basically the entire school, we applaud you for your efficiency and willingness to speak the truth as loudly and to many people as possible, and providing us a topic of discussion to go with our lunch, it really spices things up, provides a breath of fresh air from the monotony of school life, y'know a sudden bout of spontaneity that we've been sorely lacking as of late, now that we know we will respect your candor and your boundaries and will never spread rumors about you ever again, we applaud your bravery, thank you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    Introducing a new medicine for witnessing all stupidly foolish actions: Palm! Apply directly to the forehead.

    But yeah, this totally won't go horribly wrong. Watch, everyone will take her at word and go "oh really? that explains it Diane. Thank for informing us all at once and clearing this matter up as soon as possible in front of basically the entire school, we applaud you for your efficiency and willingness to speak the truth as loudly and to many people as possible, and providing us a topic of discussion to go with our lunch, it really spices things up, provides a breath of fresh air from the monotony of school life, y'know a sudden bout of spontaneity that we've been sorely lacking as of late, now that we know we will respect your candor and your boundaries and will never spread rumors about you ever again, we applaud your bravery, thank you."

    For women there is an actual test for virginity. It isn't always reliable in that there can be false negatives, but there are no false positives that I've heard of, surgery may be possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    For women there is an actual test for virginity. It isn't always reliable in that there can be false negatives, but there are no false positives that I've heard of, surgery may be possible?
    It's not reliable at all. And yes it can be surgically faked. But even if it was, simply bringing that up in this context is extremely creepy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    For women there is an actual test for virginity. It isn't always reliable in that there can be false negatives, but there are no false positives that I've heard of, surgery may be possible?
    Not always is an understatement and the hymen can survive sex actually so that is wrong too. And how is that relevant at all are you suggesting she goes to a doctor to get a hymen certificate and presents it to everyone? …
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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    The hymen, depending on shape, can survive sex without breaking. It can also break under non-sex circumstances, like riding a bike. It is, therefore, a completely unreliable method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    This looks like a Catalina kind of plan.
    So far, this is a very Catalina sort of plan.

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    Default Re: El Goonish ShIVe: Damn It, Dan, Stop Teasing Us!

    So Dan seems to confirm that this shouldn't have worked, but apparently did anyways. Does Diane have magic now and she used it? Something else has to be going on, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizard Lord View Post
    So Dan seems to confirm that this shouldn't have worked, but apparently did anyways. Does Diane have magic now and she used it? Something else has to be going on, right?
    Possibly Zeus (Jerry) could be doing something to assist Diane. He certainly has magic and this could fall under a (significantly stretched) definition of guidance.

    I honestly hope it's something like that, because this development without some sort of outside influence is just...ugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechalich View Post
    Possibly Zeus (Jerry) could be doing something to assist Diane. He certainly has magic and this could fall under a (significantly stretched) definition of guidance.

    I honestly hope it's something like that, because this development without some sort of outside influence is just...ugh.
    It is also a less stretched definition of empowered. But I don't think he has enough power yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechalich View Post
    I honestly hope it's something like that, because this development without some sort of outside influence is just...ugh.
    You say that like realizations like this one don't happen all the time in this comic.

    It could just be, as the commentary said, that Diane rolled a Nat 20 on her charisma check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    You say that like realizations like this one don't happen all the time in this comic.

    It could just be, as the commentary said, that Diane rolled a Nat 20 on her charisma check.
    Or maybe Dan just has a need for everything to work out for his characters.
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