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2018-12-28, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
And we have thread!
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-01-01, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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2019-01-02, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I just read over the Draconian and it might be more than a tad overpowered. The d12 HD, full bab, all good saves, fairly decent breath weapon and 3/4 casting ending at level 7 spells does seem a bit much for a single class.
I can understand where you're coming from, especially given that the ability does seem to be particularly potent at the mid to high levels (13+). On the other hand, given the requirements needed to set the ability up it's effectively a once per encounter nuke, and the dracocleptor loses a fair bit of power once it's no longer an option.Last edited by Alabenson; 2019-01-02 at 09:59 AM.
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2019-01-03, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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2019-01-06, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I might just be tossing the Drakosteo out and trying again with a different angle. I had a bunch of ideas for it, but now that I'm actually trying to write it all of my inspiration has just evaporated, so I'm gonna probably go a different route.
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2019-01-09, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Anybody know what happened to the Prestige Class contest? I can't even seem to find the discussion thread.
It's a falcon. Wearing a Fedora. Your argument is irrelevant.
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2019-01-09, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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2019-01-12, 03:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
So it looks like it's been inactive for five months. Dang.
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2019-01-21, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
For what it's worth, I've added some minor skill bonuses to the dracocleptor based on what dragon type they select, mostly to help differentiate between them a little more.
Edit:
I've also given the Draconian another read through:
Overall, I think it's a fairly solid gish-in-a-can; getting Con to AC in the form of natural armor was a particularly nice touch since it helps cut down on the MAD most Gishes have to deal with, and between the breath weapon and spells the class would have a decent number of options in and out of combat. I do have a few minor nitpicks, but nothing overly major;
- I find it a little odd that Draconic Linage doesn't come up until level 3; it strikes me more as something that would be a fundamental choice when entering the class rather than something that comes later.
- While I definitely feel that bringing the classes maximum spell level down to 5 from 7 was the right call, what I might suggest is giving them a casting progression similar to a Duskblade's, which would be a little less clunky while a keeping a similar power-level.
Again though, these are minor nitpicks and I feel it's a very good class overall.Last edited by Alabenson; 2019-01-21 at 07:11 PM.
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2019-01-21, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Agreed on lineage being something that should kick in sooner, but I didn't want it to be too much of a front-loaded class and swapping out either the armour or talons really reduces their initial utility. The whole class was in fact a lazy rewrite of a racial class I had devised (applicable to a draconian race that started with a lineage) haha.
I definitely take your point about an alternate progression, but I'll keep the sorcerer casting for symmetry with true dragons (and to allow draconians to potentially benefit from multiclassing).
As for everyone else's entries, I see we all had the same idea of eventually turning into a dragon haha. Nevertheless it's interesting to see the individual spins on them.
Dracoleptor
As always, half the fun is reading the fluff! Quite balanced overall too, just some thoughts:
-Since it's a custom spell list, I'd add all the Draconomicon sorcerer-only spells to it (albeit at different levels, in the same way that bards get mass charm monster etc).
-The breath weapon section is quite dense, I might remove the ray option (though it's a nice merging of the aggressive dragon and precise rogue concepts).
-Similarly, ambush breath is dense. I'd consider switching it to a simple Sneak Attack (that possibly applies to just the breath weapon).
-Treasure Sense may have a typo - a hat of disguise is worth more than 100 gp so shouldn't it be detected?
-Improved Draconic Flight is nice but kind of unnecessary at that level. I'd give them the 2x flight speed when they initially gain the flight speed; any later bonus should be more about maneuverability IMHO.
Dragon
A proper racial class, woohoo! :)
-dragon body is a classic start :)
-I'd remove the age part - a PC gains levels much faster!
-The Hoard chart is a bit much, I'd split the 21+ level section into a later "Epic Progression" section as it's not relevant for most campaigns. Also, if I understand it correctly a dragon has to eat basically ALL their WBL to get the listed benefits - no magic items seems a turn-off for PCs.
-dragon mind is pretty cool for multiclassing, though the base class should give some sort of progression itself
-I like the initial traits; will their be more?
-I'd streamline the traits/growths etc into one type of benefit, and with a less complicated progression.
-Looking forward to seeing more!
Drakosteo
A promising start - the Oracle of Delphi famously interacted with a dragon. Also nice in that it's the only class so far that doesn't involve becoming dragonish haha.
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2019-01-25, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I had debated about having the ages be prerequisites for the levels. Alternatively doing away with the whole age category thing all together, but the leveling idea ties into Eragon rather well. But the ages being level locked would encourage multiclassing.
But the class is part of my personal project to make HD=class level=CR -1, as i hate how HD are handled in dnd based games.
One point of curiosity is what constitutes a good range for age categories, PF does 2HD, having 33 be the offical HD of Great Wyrm would be pretty dope.(side tangent i have no clue why this word entered my vocabulary I have started using too much)
The horde is not something your required to do, its an option, and do you really think of dragons and think of their sweet pole arms? Another major note is if i was being lore correct then they should have 3x Wealth by level for their chart. Probably is appropriate to change charts.
Magic is going to be a trait tied to dragon family, such as Esoteric, Chromatic, Gem
Each dragon family, and species will get unique ones.
I get what you mean. The spheres of power did that, and I've just seen a lot of confusion come from it. I'd like to hear other opinion on the matter.
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2019-01-25, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-25, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-02-01, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Given that it appears we only have about 2-3 complete entries with a week to go, I think I'm going to give a two week extension for the contest unless anyone has any objections.
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-02-18, 09:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Just a reminder, the contest closes this Friday.
That said, it does still appear that we're short entries so I'd be willing to give another extension if anyone wants one, but if no one says anything then I will go ahead and close the contest on Friday.If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-02-19, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
If wee could get 2 weeks that would be lovely, i have a char to complete and i have to do further revision on The Magos to get it ready before the game.
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2019-02-20, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Alrighty, I've extended the deadline again to March 8th.
On a quasi-related note, given the low number of entries we've had for the last few contests I've been playing with the idea of allowing people to submit multiple entries for future contests and I'd like to know if anyone else has any thoughts on the subject.If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-02-22, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
What's the ruling on collab works? I frequently bounce ideas off of a buddy of mine, and he and I have done some homebrew work before (our most elaborate being a full rework of the poor Healer, but nothing from scratch yet). I just want to know if I need to do this myself or if I can work with him on it.
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2019-02-22, 04:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Is my dragon class legitimate?
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2019-02-22, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
You are aware that dragoon and dragon are two different words, yes?
Although the name dragoon comes from a firearm named a dragon, so you might be fine anyway.
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2019-02-22, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I wouldn't have any problem with two or more people working together to submit a single entry as long as it follows the rest of the rules.
I'd say it's a legitimate entry (or at least it will be once it's finished), but personally voting-wise it would lose points on use of theme as is.If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-02-22, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Is the parragon thingie nonsense?(it is hard to make a fitting capstone)
Deadly rider helps a lot with ranged attacks but maybe it is not the kind of boost that helps firearms the most.
Or maybe I should put a fear/paralysis effect while firing firearms on the dragon.
I just noticed charging with ranged weapons was allowed.
So maybe I could make the dragon inflict fear while charging with a firearm?
Or maybe allow the dragon to deal double damage on a charge with a firearm thus allowing it to deal huge ranged damage.Last edited by noob; 2019-02-22 at 05:58 PM.
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2019-02-28, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I recommend reflavoring it slightly. Perhaps, instead of riding horses, they ride Drakken steeds? It's entirely possible to add some dragon-related flavor in there whilst retaining the class itself.
Cultist of Tiamat incoming, either late this week or early next. Be prepared to see a unique twist on the partial caster.If you need me for anything, or I forgot about something, PM me and I'll see it.
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2019-03-01, 05:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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2019-03-01, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-01, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I have an hard time finding more over the top mythos to add to my dragon class.
Any suggestion?
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2019-03-06, 03:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
If possible can I get some review, please. I feel like I'm doing something bad, I can't see it myself.
@noob I'll look over you stuff later and update post with ideas.
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2019-03-06, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Cultist of Tiamat still incoming! Undergoing some core revisions, not sure how much time we'll have for fine-tuning. You shall see the class before the deadline.
If you need me for anything, or I forgot about something, PM me and I'll see it.
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2019-03-06, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
The biggest issue I see with the Wyrm comes from the Wyrm Mind feature; at that point you're adding essentially half-casting/initiating/manifesting to a class that's already juggling two separate resources and has an absurdly strong chassis. I would drop the feature altogether and focus more on the Mien and Drakeblood abilities
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-08, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I kept telling myself this was due today, and so I had today to work on it, but the deadline was an hour ago, wasn't it? If you'll accept a late entry, the class isn't done yet, but it's not far off. I just am not in a mental position to finish it right this moment.
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