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2019-03-08, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
When in doubt, set something on fire. If not in doubt, set something on fire anyway.
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2019-03-08, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I did not finish the mythos variant but the main version of the class is complete.
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2019-03-08, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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2019-03-08, 10:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Did somebody order a voting thread?
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-08, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Aaaaaauuugh! Let me at least
sneak inwrite up the missing class ability! *hurries off to do so*If you need me for anything, or I forgot about something, PM me and I'll see it.
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2019-03-09, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Mm, meltdown happened so this contest was not a priority. Oh well.
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2019-03-10, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I think we need to get rferries and Lanth Sor to vote at least so that the contest does not ends up with a top 3 that is The Cultist of Tiamat then The Dracocleptor then the dragon.
(it would be sad if the potential candidates for first place get removed because they did forget to vote)
I am worried: Jormengad had problems and now you too.
Also since when does the base class contest considers class completion optional for getting listed in the votes?Last edited by noob; 2019-03-10 at 04:11 PM.
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2019-03-11, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Originally Posted by AlabensonIf you need me for anything, or I forgot about something, PM me and I'll see it.
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2019-03-11, 08:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
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2019-03-11, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Fast spellcasting? Not really. In fact, for the mid levels, the level of spell he can cast is actually one lower than that of a wizard or cleric. It's not until higher levels that he starts to catch back up, and he doesn't fully catch up until level 17, when he gets access to a level 9 slot at the same time as a wizard or cleric would. From there on, he gains higher slots which can either act as level 9 slots with higher save DCs, allowing him to cast more of his big guns per day (dominate 5 dragons? Don't mind if I do) or cast metamagicked versions of his lower spells. Getting a few mid level blasty spells, this class actually benefits from things like Maximize and Empower, Twin Spell too. Fireball from a 12th level slot? Yeah, how about saving vs an average of 80 damage, then doing so again, in the same round? At least that's the vision. The spells are few but pack a punch.
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2019-03-11, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-11, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Probably, but I didn't want to risk it feeling like a full caster. I have, I think, four different progressions up on my personal notes.
Thought for all... Would this class work well if some blood-magic themed abilities were added in? Or is that crossing themes too much?
Another thought... I know what would work well at low levels! Rituals. Along the theme of Invocations, Rituals take time and work better with people involved. I would like to structure it in such a way that the entire party can participate regardless of class, and the result is mild buffs that are worthwhile, perhaps some divination options. Things that can be granted as class abilities usable whenever, as long as the party has time to sit down for a while. This would supplement the spell slots nicely, allowing it to be the primary spellcasting identity of the class.If you need me for anything, or I forgot about something, PM me and I'll see it.
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2019-03-11, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I think that could be an interesting idea, and depending on how you structured them you could even have the Rituals completely supplant the spellcasting entirely, possibly strengthening Chromatic Blast slightly to take up the slack as the class' active option in combat.
It's hard for me to really comment on the class' spellcasting, however, since you weren't able to complete a class spell list. Depending on what the spell list is comprised of the class could wind up subject to serious balance issues in either direction, which makes it very hard to gauge.If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-14, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Could you clarify the balance concerns.
Once I refine it if still needed definitely.
Initially I gave it more class features then I had the brain to come up with viable options for. I wanted to add casting as its kinda core to the dragon ideal, but to much power lead me to snipping the class features. I'm thinking of making the caster/psion an archetype, and martial maneuvers are just going to baked in using the system already listed.
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2019-03-14, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I'm going to go back to my earlier suggestion that you may want to drop the caster/psion/initiator aspect and refocus on the anima / adrenaline based features. Between those you already have a gish with a very unique feel to it, but juggling those two sets of abilities plus additional casting feels like it could be a bit overwhelming for the player and overkill overall.
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-14, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Sure I can clarify. The Wyrm Mind, for one, allows even limited-access "casting" archetypes potentially unlimited access to new maneuvers and powers. Maneuvers as a specific example are always 'ready', removing one of the limitations of the system, with a fair number usable per encounter. Incite Primeval Instinct is rather significant in how much it applies to on top of a full BAB class. DR equal to class level when called upon is high for a base class, and sits significantly higher than the barbarian's own DR (our resident tough guy) the rest of the time. Unimpeachable strike is just... what? Auto crit on a DC that scales WAY faster than saves will. A high ceiling lets this class Ubercharge from above for massive damage, straight out of the can. Free teleportation if you're willing to keep your wealth in a few different places. Free leadership (strongest feat in the game by stupidly far) and epic leadership at 13th level. Not to mention that ability and the dominion ability are completely off-theme for the rest of the class's abilities, this entirely class is just too strong. Maybe it would work fine in actual play where you wanted to play it straight at a table where everyone else was high optimization, but it's just too strong.
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2019-03-15, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
This is one thing i'll be reviewing the most its honestly the one thing that mechanically was the most experimental. Other then how adrenaline works.
My opinion on DR is its vastly underused, level 20 having 10/- if your lucky is sad and you should be ashamed of yourself. The DR here is limited by both adrenaline and in the case of Incite Primeval Instinct 1-5 rounds after hitting 50% hp.
Yeah this one was a bit over-tuned. The DC scale was intended to represent its not something your able to avoid, but the Damage could definitely be nerfed.
The first step is getting above someone. Jumping become rather core if you take that ability. The source ability does sneak attack progression plus the height damage.
This is mostly thematic and allows for protecting your hoard.
Leadership is something that is miss managed from the stories I hear, and it add a lot to a game. I always felt the idea of epic leadership was a terrible farce, it should be one thing otherwise how do kings work.
Dominion is your followers becoming the enforcers of your will. An extension of the wyrm themselves. But it definitely fits my tables general power level.
I'll post the official version and include some alternatives for lower tier play.
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2019-03-15, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
In retuning this, consider how difficult it would be to build as an ubercharger. If the answer is 'easily, with feats and WBL leftover' then you're probably aiming too high.
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2019-03-15, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Honestly, I don't find this to be particularly useful advise. The main components of an ubercharger build can be reached by ANY functional melee class without any difficulty. The only facet of an ubercharger build that requires any sort of effort to acquire (and isn't even strictly speaking necessary to the build) would be the ability to move and make a full attack in the same round. Which, frankly, is something that should be native to every fully melee-focused class regardless.
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To elaborate, most of the function of the ubercharger's one trick comes from a combination of Shock Trooper and Leap Attack, both of which could be acquired by level 9 by just about any class with at least 3/4 BaB and Jump as a class skill. Add in a couple of bonus feats, say from starting as a human with a fighter level or two, and you can have an ubercharger able to make full attacks on a charge with DC 20 Jump check once per encounter through Martial Study and the Sudden Jump maneuver. All of this is almost entirely independent of the character's actual class.
Meanwhile, the ability to move and make a full attack is vital to almost every combat-focused build in the game, not just the uberchargers, so declaring that feature as being "aiming too high" is really a disservice to mundanes period.
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Taking a look at the Wyrm specifically, I think you may be overstating the severity of what the Wyrm would bring to the rest of the build. True, if you combine Astride the World, Earth Fall Strike and Adrenaline Surge with the rest of a standard ubercharge build you would have a particularly mobile charger, but the extra damage a) is reliant on fighting outdoors, which can be very campaign / encounter dependent, b) doesn't come fully online until about level 11, and most importantly c) on an ubercharger extra damage is largely redundant. Keep in mind, a classic ubercharger will typically be dealing enough damage to reduce their opponents to chunky salsa after one full attack charge anyway, so having them go from -10 to -50 is actually inconsequential to that type of build. On the other hand, these abilities make more esoteric build choice potentially viable, which is something that I think should be encouraged.Last edited by Alabenson; 2019-03-15 at 11:02 PM.
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-17, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
All good points, and I know I'm at least heavily influenced by early 3.5 balance and not late 3.5 balance like many people are.
That said, I just really really appreciate that rant being immediately followed by the first line in your sigLast edited by The Kool; 2019-03-17 at 04:44 PM.
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2019-03-18, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
New suggestions?
Veggies - You wont believe our tales.
Fruits - Its all in the basket.
Rolli Polie Olie - He's Short, he's Smart, He's Round
Super Heroes/Villains - From Eye Beams to Batarangs.
Dungeons - I like to hide from dragons in ...
Poetry - An Ode to Poe
MEETAAALLL!!!! YEOAH!!!!!!! - As metal book just came out.
A Martial Matter - in spirit of reopening the Martial Adept threads.
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2019-03-18, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
How about a constructs or crafting theme?
(although it might fit into metal)Last edited by noob; 2019-03-18 at 11:14 AM.
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2019-03-18, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I like "Metal", "Dungeons", and "Fruits and Veggies". No suggestions of my own at this time.
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2019-03-18, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Well, while we're waiting for the voting to finish, I'll toss out a few suggestions of my own;
Travel
Shadows
Arabian Nights
TimeIf brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-18, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I have an Inquiry. Is rewritting a abandoned work of another author acceptable?
Specifically for shadow I'd want to do the umbramandex
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2019-03-18, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I'd say that would heavily depend on how thoroughly you intend on rewriting the class in question; borrowing a few elements to round out your class or using the basics as a foundation for an entirely new class would probably be alright, but if you're just finishing an incomplete work than I'd say it could run afoul of the "Can't be previously posted" rule.
If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-19, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Fair enough.
5. Dungeons - I like to hide from dragons in ...
4. Poetry - An Ode to Poe
3. MEETAAALLL!!!! YEOAH!!!!!!! - As metal book just came out.
1. A Martial Matter - in spirit of reopening the Martial Adept threads.
2. Time
have my votes
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2019-03-28, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
Thanks, and I would appreciate aid with those.
Frankly I initially was thinking of giving frighting presence, I haven't had much interaction with people intimidating on that level so its just an oversight thanx for pointing it out. I'll be shifting this back to frighting presence. Do you think the level 1 intimidate is a cone with leveling range of like 5ft/level cone be ok?
Its not possible to have level 20 followers unless your level 60 as I limited followers to 1/3 class level, so level 6 followers at best by 20. The allowance for massive scores is mostly intended to allow for massive armies of mooks.
Additionally you don't have direct control of them. As the ability states their more of a cult. The ability is kind of a throw back to fighters keeps in 1-2e
Could you clarify what you were referring to here?
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2019-03-30, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
So, while we wait for the voting to wrap up (in retrospect I think having voting last 4 weeks was a little excessive but live and learn), I'm going to tally up the votes we have for the next theme.
Crafting: 1
Metal: 2
Dungeons: 2
Fruits/Vegetables: 1
Travel: 1
Shadows: 1
Arabian Nights: 1
Time: 2
Poetry: 1
Martial: 1
So, looking over this it looks like the three that are pulling ahead of the group so far are Metal, Dungeons and Time. I'll leave voting to continue until 4/12 when I'll post the new contest with the winning theme so until then keep voting.If brute force isn't working, that just means you're not using enough of it.
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2019-03-30, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Base Class Contest Chat Thread V: I Scored at the Top of My Base Class
I vote for Arabian Nights! Also I think in future we should have a limit on how many theme votes we get (though we might be able to make an unlimited number of theme proposals).
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