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    Default Abusing the wording of Defenestration Sphere

    Defenestration Sphere(SpC) makes a sphere of wind that you can hit a creature with as a move action. When it does and the target is Medium or smaller, they have to make a Fort save against getting knocked prone. If they fail that, they make a second one against being shot up into the air, which causes falling damage and also blows them 1d6 squares away in a random direction... usually.

    The unusual case is when there's a window in range: it automatically knocks them towards the window instead.

    So... any suggestions how to abuse this? Might not be too practical, but it's hilarious.
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    Default Re: Abusing the wording of Defenestration Sphere

    A robe of useful items can get you a window, so use it to put one where you want people to go, preferably have something nasty on the other side of said window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder999 View Post
    A robe of useful items can get you a window, so use it to put one where you want people to go, preferably have something nasty on the other side of said window.
    Any suggestions on what to put? Spheres of Annihilation aren't that common.
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    A bag of devouring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    A bag of devouring?
    That sounds nice. Isn't it fairly cheap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    That sounds nice. Isn't it fairly cheap?
    Unpriced actually, because it's a creature.

    Another thing that could be used is have the party fighter hold a window and by that have the target go directly to the fighter and into a grapple.

    Another idea is to do that and throw them directly into a Gate spell to the plane of positive energy which basically ***** over any creature that is not undead or construct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flappeercraft View Post
    Unpriced actually, because it's a creature.

    Another thing that could be used is have the party fighter hold a window and by that have the target go directly to the fighter and into a grapple.

    Another idea is to do that and throw them directly into a Gate spell to the plane of positive energy which basically ***** over any creature that is not undead or construct.
    Wouldn't undead still get damaged by the positive energy and get screwed anyways?
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    Toss a critter from a bag of tricks to find the exit out of a maze
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    Wouldn't undead still get damaged by the positive energy and get screwed anyways?
    Funnily enough, no. A major positive dominant plane doesn't actually do any damage to undead, since the plane simply gives fast healing 5 to all creatures, living or not, which accumulates into temporary hp if you're already at full hp. If you go into temporary hp though, every round you need to make a fort save vs exploding in a mini supernova. However.... undead are immune to any effect that requires a fortitude save, unless it also affects objects... which this doesnt, so undead on the positive energy plane are actually at an advantage, not a disadvantage.

    Constructs have the same benefit, assuming they don't have the living construct subtype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    Funnily enough, no. A major positive dominant plane doesn't actually do any damage to undead, since the plane simply gives fast healing 5 to all creatures, living or not, which accumulates into temporary hp if you're already at full hp. If you go into temporary hp though, every round you need to make a fort save vs exploding in a mini supernova. However.... undead are immune to any effect that requires a fortitude save, unless it also affects objects... which this doesnt, so undead on the positive energy plane are actually at an advantage, not a disadvantage.

    Constructs have the same benefit, assuming they don't have the living construct subtype.
    That has to be a mistake or error on WotC's part. That's too stupid to be intentional even for them... oh, who the hells am I kidding? We're talking about WotC.
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    It's definitely a mistake, it's from the fact that they're very inconsistent in phrasing/stating the undead/positive energy interaction. It's stated explicitly and separately in most of the places it applies, and the positive dominant trait effect doesn't have the right wording.

    I'm pretty sure 90%+ of GMs have the positive energy plane hurt undead though. I certainly do - why would I be bound by WotC's poor wording choices?
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    Slap together a minimal lightweight freestanding frame that counts as a "window" and can be held/dragged by an unseen servant.

    Position in front of your favorite wall spell. (Prismatic?). Heck, while you're at it, have some other damaging/disabling barrier effect that is eligible to be horizontal in orientation. If your victim flubs (both) Fort saves against [I]defenestrating sphere[/], he gets thrown up through the horizontal effect, then falls back down through it, AND is slung horizontally at your "window" into the vertical effect. (Of course, if you can reliably make someone fail two Fort saves, then they have other problems...)

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    Set up at window, perhaps in a portable hole for extra hilarity, and cover the glass with paper inscribed with explosive runes. Instant death hilarious death trap leading into a portable hole.

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    Voidstone can be both your Sphere of Annihilation substitute and a window.

    Stoneshape a window out of Voidstone, have your Unseen Servant carry it along with you where ever you go.
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    You could throw a job application letter in a certain direction. It's a "window of opportunity".

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    This is great battle field control. Just put a window nearby and toss all the foes in that direction. Even with not real set up, it's very useful to have an effect that will toss foes in one direction.

    Of course, putting the window in or near a cliff, fire source, water, acid, or anything else can be useful.

    A player of mine, with a gnome spellcaster, used to carry around a portable collapsible window to be used with this spell.

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    Now that I think about it, you use a portable window as mentioned but put aboleth mucus as a trap behind it.

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    Windows just have to be in Range right? So couldn't you have something in front of the window to hit before the target reaches the window?
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