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2017-07-17, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
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2017-07-17, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Who is the frost giant guy name again?
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2017-07-17, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
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2017-07-17, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Huh, ok. So the "no clerics among the living" thing actually is part of the bet, and not just a result of Hel being awful. Well OK then.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2017-07-17, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
One of the main arguments in Hel's favor in the past few threads was "ah, she didn't know Loki was involved, she thought she was making a bet with Thor!" when really, Thor was not only completely plastered at the time, but the whole thing was set up by Loki, no real trickery involved beyond the standard fine print kind of stuff.
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2017-07-17, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
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2017-07-17, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Interesting that "no clerics among the living" was part of the bet, and that it *is* actually a proper bet which Hel can cash in if she wins. I wonder what the wager was.
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2017-07-17, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
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2017-07-17, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Ha! I was right about the "no living clerics" was central to the bet!
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2017-07-17, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-17, 08:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
I wonder if the author has received any complains at all for abusing Norse mythology.
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2017-07-17, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
I don't think the bet helped Thor in any particular way (and possibly even weakened him if he ended up losing some dwarven souls to Hel). I'd guess it's simply Loki's trickster nature to fool both Hel and the drunken Thor, while making himself more powerful among the evil gods.
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2017-07-17, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-17, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm... You know, I just noticed that Hel gets default dominion over the souls of dwarves. Durkon framed it as a matter of her getting specifically the dishonored ones, but even honor neutral deaths apparently go to Hel.
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Also, how on earth did Thor ever get Hel to agree to the alcohol-related-deaths exception? Surely she wouldn't have agreed to that on her own, and I doubt Loki would push for it. Did Thor just get Hel plastered one night?“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2017-07-17, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
And there we have the reason why dwarves get such a raw deal: Loki.
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2017-07-17, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-17, 08:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2017-07-17, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2017-07-17, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Well, that answers that.
Still can't help but wonder why Loki came up with the plan to begin with though...
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2017-07-17, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Interesting that the secondary effect of this explains how dwarves have the honour-bound society that they have.
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2017-07-17, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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There's no such thing as "honour neutral". In a society where only death in battle is honourable, you either die honourably or you don't. Thor won't argue that a death was "honour neutral", but that it still counted as honourable, being assimilable to death in battle.
As for the alcohol-related deaths, Thor probably didn't need to make Hel agree to that. Thor stretches the definition of "honourable death" to a ridiculous extent, but it works probably because 1) the dwarves actually, sincerely believe those deaths are honourable, and/or 2) thanks to the current arrangement, Thor is much more powerful than Hel.ungelic is us
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2017-07-17, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2017-07-17, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Seriously, half of Norse mythology is people not realizing you should never make a bet with Loki
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2017-07-17, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Okay, so Loki was central to the bet.
I am surprised on how little agency Thor had in it. This wasn't some scheme concocted together, this was a bet that was made on his behalf while half-drunk.
Incidentally, I wanna know what he's drinking to get a friggin' god blitzed. I had in my old 3.5 game The Drink of the Dead, alcohol so powerful it could inebriate undead (fun fact: our dwarf had insane constitution, so he could drink it without dying), so I am not opposed to this on a fundamental level, just curious.
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2017-07-17, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
Probably. I tend to think of the gods in the comic as just characters with the same names and sometimes similar but sillier stories. If you throw a hissy fit about every website that misrepresents mythology you'll spend all day typing in all caps.
Even so, Odin seems more interesting than his first appearance after his "worlds within worlds and yarn winding yarn" comment. I think most of what we've seen with the gods up till now has just been jokes and now it's getting a little more serious.Last edited by JennTora; 2017-07-17 at 08:40 AM.
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2017-07-17, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
And that is what happens when you let your greed overcome your common sense, Hel... I mean, really... An offer from *Loki*, of all gods?
And now I am thinking of possible loopholes that, even if worst comes to worst, might prevent Hel from laying hands on the whole dwarvish population.JoseB
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2017-07-17, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1083 - The Discussion Thread
For some reason, I get the idea that Loki was doing this to wind up Thor, and Thor going ahead and informing the dwarves of how this all works was more or less a byproduct of the bet. I am not seeing why Loki would screw over his daughter like that. Then again, as a Trickster style of God, he is a bit chaotic ...
Decent comic strip, and this comic folds in nicely with the comment Giant made a few years back about "life isn't fair, dwarves have a society with rigid rules ...".
And as a follow up on dwarves building that social structure for *reasons*.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2017-07-17 at 09:17 AM.