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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithologist View Post
    This just makes me wonder which characters on the list were shown in printed material first before they were shown in the comic proper?
    Not that many, I think. Several of the Greysky City characters were in OtOotPCs before being shown in the main comic, but most characters introduced in the exclusive content haven't appeared in the main comic (and many are dead). Aarindarius also cameos in V's backstory in OtOotPCs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithologist View Post
    This just makes me wonder which characters on the list were shown in printed material first before they were shown in the comic proper?
    For named characters, we have:

    Aarindarius
    Bozzok
    Chuck
    Crystal
    Fidel Secundus
    Firuk Blackore
    Hank
    High Priest Hurak
    Horace Greenhilt
    Jenny
    Keeno
    Myrtok
    Sir Francois
    and The Dark One

    I didn't include generic ones like Troll or Badger, but I think I got the uniquely identifiable ones.

    Edit: Added Fidel Secundus, Hank, and High Priest Hurak
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    Fidel Secundus, Hank, High Priest Hurak, the 2 dwarves that throw Durkon out
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    Who are Keeno and Myrtok?


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    Who are Keeno and Myrtok?
    Eugene's adventuring buddies.

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    Belkar, Blackwing, Elan, Firuk, Haley, Hurak, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Priest of Odin, Rogo, Roy, Tinna, Vaarsuvius
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    Belkar, Blackwing, Elan, Firuk, Haley, Roy, Tinna, Vaarsuvius
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    Belkar, Blackwing, Elan, Firuk, Haley, Mr. Scruffy, Roy, Tinna, Vaarsuvius
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    Belkar, Blackwing, Elan, Firuk, Haley, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Rogo, Roy, Tinna, Vaarsuvius
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    D & V now have equal # of online strip appearances as well as total page appearances.
    THE SCRYING EYE AT THE END OF STRIP #698 WAS ZZ'DTRI'S (SOURCE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    D & V now have equal # of online strip appearances as well as total page appearances.
    I noticed that too. If V loses the popularity contest thread, at least they can take consolation in soon not being the member of the Order with the fewest appearances anymore. V has held that dishonor since the Godsmoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knag View Post
    they can take consolation in soon not being the member of the Order with the fewest appearances anymore. V has held that dishonor since the Godsmoot.
    I cannot see that a number of appearances is a cause of dishonour. Now if a character were to fail to attend when booked to appear that would be dishonour.

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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

    #1100 looks like

    Vaarsuvius, Blackwing, Roy, Belkar, Mr Scruffy, Minrah, Brother Sandstone (dead), Elan, Haley

    also *takes deep breath*

    Dwarf Defenders, Dwarf Defender with black skin (dead), Dwarf Defender with beard (dead, should be renamed to "...with black beard"), Dwarf Defender with hair bun (new, dead), Dwarf Defender with blond beard (new, dead), Female dwarf civilian outside temple (new, dead), Male dwarf civilian outside temple (new, dead)

    Most of those have no names and are dead, so I'm not sure what the policy is, but the two corpses we've seen before are on the list, so I listed 'em. *shrug*
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    Nameless characters with one appearance don't get counted.
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    Nameless characters with one appearance don't get counted.
    * Unless they appear in more than one page of a multi-page comic strip. (I'm looking at you "Azurite Soldier on the Wall".)

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    Belkar, Blackwing, Brother Sandstone, Dwarf Defenders, Dwarf Defender with Beard, Dwarf Defender with Black Skin, Elan, Haley, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Roy, Vaarsuvius
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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    Belkar, Blackwing, Brother Sandstone, Dwarf Defenders, Dwarf Defender with Beard, Dwarf Defender with Black Skin, Elan, Haley, Minrah, Mr. Scruffy, Roy, Vaarsuvius
    Now that we can see the broader picture of the carnage, do not the feet to the left of the DD with Black Skin visible in #1084, #1085, and #1087 belong to the dwarf with red hair? Should he get his own entry or is he the generic "Dwarf Defenders" entry? It seems that the others in #1100 have never been shown before, even partially, and the one with the white beard in #1087 doesn't appear there, so they're all one-offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knag View Post
    Now that we can see the broader picture of the carnage, do not the feet to the left of the DD with Black Skin visible in #1084, #1085, and #1087 belong to the dwarf with red hair? Should he get his own entry or is he the generic "Dwarf Defenders" entry? It seems that the others in #1100 have never been shown before, even partially, and the one with the white beard in #1087 doesn't appear there, so they're all one-offs.
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    Ok, this is a tough one with all those dwarves...

    Looks like in panel 1 there's the feet of Brother Sandstone, along with the red bearded dwarf and the dwarf in the teal shirt from the previous strip. As they continue along the passage in panel 3, it looks like we see Teal Shirt's head again and the Defender with the grey bun next to the defender with the brown hair and beard, also from the previous strip. After that these all look like new dwarves to me, unless they've shown up in some random comic before.

    Of course, we'll most likely see many of the vampires from the second page in 1102 so we'll probably need some more descriptive monikers for vampire dwarves

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    Belkar (+1), Blackwing, Brother Sandstone, Dwarf Defenders (as Vampires), Dwarf Defender with Brown Beard, Dwarf Defender with Brown Bun, Dwarf Defender with Red Beard, Dwarf Defender with Green Shirt, Elan (+1), Haley (+1), Minrah, Mr. Scruffy (+1), Roy (+1), Vaarsuvius, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Bun (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Gray Beard (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard (+1)
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    ...We're never going to have any generic identically designed nameless soldiers again, are we?
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    ...We're never going to have any generic identically designed nameless soldiers again, are we?
    It seems not. Gone are the days of identical hobgoblins, goblins, and Azure City soldiers.

    So almost everyone in the top page of 1102 appears in panel 2 of the second page, with the only exception I see being the dwarf vampire in the foreground who we see from behind wearing a skullcap and having a goatee. So they'll all need descriptors, I suppose. It's tough with the semi-greyscale look of this subterranean setting. All the colors are muted.

    As far as correspondence between 1101 and 1102, it looks like at least the 5 closest standing behind Belkar and Roy are in the final panel of 1102 are there, as well as the cleric with the long braid. I was a little unclear about who was who in the 1101 counting (as far as Blue Hair, Green Beard, Grey Beard and Bun), but it looks like Grey Beard, Green Beard and Bun are in 1102, and maybe Martianmister has a better idea about those ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    ...We're never going to have any generic identically designed nameless soldiers again, are we?
    I like it actually.

    1: there's more for us to count.

    2: it will help us know better visually which/how many vamps are left.

    3: the Hobgoblins and Azurites wore uniforms and and could be expected to conform to standards, while these spawn came from mostly unsuspecting civilians/ militia. It makes sense to me that they are more varied. Also, I cannot imagine dwarves put beard style requirements into their uniform guide.
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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

    A suggestion:

    For these large groups of individualised characters, lets give them all a group name that is followed by an individual description. The group name we then turn into an acronym, and list all such groups in a separate section of the initial post.

    So, for example, these might be "the Vampirised Defenders of Thor's Temple". But in the big list, we have them be "VDTT in a dress" and "VDTT with square hat" etc. while what VDTT means is lsited just once, say below the lists.

    The advantages to this idea, as I see it, are:
    • Groups them all together when they have the same appearances (which they tend to do, to a certain degree)
    • Saves characters
    • Allows for duplicate descriptions across groups (no more having to worry "have we had already a 'vampire dwarf with long blonde hair'?")



    I've been thinking of this since the giant fight, and since Rich clearly intends to continue to produce more individualised mooks going forward, I think it is worth considering something like this approach.

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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

    I think that's a good idea. The Sapphire Guard fight was probably the first instance where this would have come in handy.

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    Belkar (+1), Blackwing (+1), Dwarf Defenders (as Vampires) (+1), Elan (+1), Haley (+1), Minrah (+1), Mr. Scruffy (+1), Roy (+1), Vaarsuvius (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Bald Head (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Blue Beard and Balding Head, Vampire Dwarf with Blue Shirt and Beard (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Brown Beard, Vampire Dwarf with Brown Ponytail (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Curly Beard and Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Curly Blue Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Gray Beard (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Bald Head (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Beard and Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Bun (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Green Shirt (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Messy Green Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Purple Dress (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Red Ponytail, Vampire Dwarf with Short Green Hair (+1), Vampire Dwarf with Straight Blue Hair (+1)

    It'll take some time to add them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    The advantages to this idea, as I see it, are:
    • Groups them all together when they have the same appearances (which they tend to do, to a certain degree)
    • Saves characters
    • Allows for duplicate descriptions across groups (no more having to worry "have we had already a 'vampire dwarf with long blonde hair'?")
    Isn't that already works like that?1


    1. Mechane Crewman with, CotS Usher with, etc.
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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

    Not exclusively. You have some well-sorted with acronyms, like CPPD, DGS, or CotS, but it's not applied universally.

    Adding SG for Sapphire Guard, FG for Frost Giants would also help, and there a few characters like Clipboard Guard could stand to have existing acronyms applied to them (in this case EoB)

    We could also get more granular and create acroynms for specific events - like the multiple different fights against dwarveen vampires.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Adding SG for Sapphire Guard, FG for Frost Giants would also help, and there a few characters like Clipboard Guard could stand to have existing acronyms applied to them (in this case EoB)
    Problem is it would muddy the distinctions between guardsman/guardswoman, giant/giantess and crewman/crewwoman.
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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

    That is the main obstacle I've noticed. "SG man" doesn't have quite the impact of Sapphire Guardsman.

    Is it just me, or since this idea was raised, have you gone back and moved all of those identifiers to the beginning of character names? The lists look a lot cleaner.


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