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    1133 has just Durkon and Minrah again.
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    1133 has just Durkon and Minrah again.
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    1134
    Durkon Thundershield, Minrah, Thor (all three +1)

    And Thor needs to be retroactively counted for 1133 and 1132, also, since we were apparently seeing his Uggs.
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    Durkon (+1), Minrah (+1), Thor (+1)
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    My counts for the new material in Good Deeds Gone Unpunished:

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    Daigo Da-: 16
    Kazumi Kato: 16
    Melisander: 13
    Hinjo: 4
    Light-skinned elven zombie: 2
    Dark-skinned elven zombie: 2
    Elven zombie with patches of missing hair: 2
    Argent: 1
    Yamada: 1

    I thought maybe Azure City Noble with beard and Azure City Noblewoman appeared on page 17, but on closer inspection I don't think we can say it's them for sure.


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    Mr. Scruffy: 9
    Carbuncle:6
    Lord Shojo: 3
    Darker baby carbuncle: 2
    Dire (?) rat: 2
    Lighter baby carbuncle: 2
    Argent: 1
    Belkar Bitterleaf: 1
    Demon-Roaches: 1
    Goblin Dan: 1
    Hinjo: 1
    Hydra: 1
    Miko Miyazaki: 1
    Monster in the Darkness: 1
    Pineappled Wight: 1
    Point-Granting Wight: 1
    Redcloak: 1


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    Lien: 11
    Daesuk: 6
    "Follow" skitterling: 4
    "Help" skitterling: 4
    "Please" skitterling: 4
    Sea Witch: 4
    Yu: 4
    Azure City police officer with goatee: 2
    Clean-shaven Azure City police officer: 2
    Other skitterling: 2

    I'm not sure if we've seen the other Sapphire Guards before.


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    Hinjo: 2
    Argent: 1
    Daigo Da-: 1
    "Follow" skitterling: 1
    Kazumi Kato: 1
    Mr. Scruffy: 1
    O-Chul: 1
    Pangtok: 1
    Rich Burlew: 1
    Saha Kapoor: 1
    Sangwaan: 1
    Thog: 1
    Tingtox: 1
    Zhou Bo: 1

    This includes the title page, chapter title pages, and the new page added to How the Paladin Got His Scar. This does NOT include the front cover, back cover, endpaper, or copyright page showing other OOTS book covers.


    Here is Emanick's count for the O-Chul story when it came out. -1 for the O-Chul appearance because the title page was removed from the compiled version. Likewise, if Therkla's title page was counted when Spoiler Alert appearances were added to the OP, she would need a -1 I suppose.

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    Under the spoiler tags are my counts for every character in the O-Chul PDF. A few of them differ from Zyzzyva's - I think mine are probably more accurate, given how closely I've checked and double-checked, although of course I could always have made a mistake. I have a separate count for each page recorded in my notes, if anyone wants to challenge a number.

    O-Chul's number of appearances can be decreased by 1 if we're not including the picture of him on the title page.

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    O-Chul: 87
    Saha Kapoor: 61
    Hinjo: 59
    Zhou Bo: 59
    Tingtox: 31
    Commander Gin-Jun: 28 (+3 from Start of Darkness)
    Pangtok: 26
    Subcommander Haruna Sato: 24
    Miko Miyazaki: 17
    Hobgoblin General with Sash: 16
    Pre-Redcloak Hobgoblin Supreme Leader: 12
    Bald Sapphire Guardsman in White Robe: 10
    Lustre: 10
    Sapphire Guardsman with Dark, Cropped Hair and Ponytail: 10
    Sapphire Guardsman with Jagged Black Hair: 10
    Sapphire Guardsman with Sash and Sword Across Back: 10
    Sapphire Guardsman with Horned Helmet: 9
    Sapphire Guardswoman with Dark Hair, Ponytail and White Clothes: 9
    Sapphire Guardswoman with Long, Straight, Dark Hair and Multicolored Boots: 9
    Sapphire Guardswoman with Short, Light Hair: 9
    Sapphire Guardswoman with Dark Hair, Hair Bun and Multicolored Boots: 8
    General Claire Nhek: 8
    Mount of Commander Gin-Jun: 7
    Sapphire Guardsman with Short, Light Hair and Multicolored Boots: 7
    Sapphire Guardswoman with Dark Hair and Shirt Tucked Into Belt: 7
    Duong: 6
    Obese Hobgoblin Supreme Leader: 6
    Planetar: 6
    Sapphire Guardsman with Cloak Clasp and Ponytail: 6
    Sapphire Guardsman with Short, Dark Hair and Beard: 6
    Shojo: 6
    Kapoor Daughter: 5
    Sapphire Guardsman with Goatee and Forelock: 5
    Sapphire Guardswoman with Backless Shirt: 5
    Black-Haired Sapphire Guardswoman with Hair Bun and White Boots: 4
    Ettin: 4
    Female Inner Bulwark Hobgoblin Guard: 4
    Male Inner Bulwark Hobgoblin Guard: 4
    Mount of Sapphire Guardsman with Jagged Black Hair: 4
    Mount of Black-Haired Sapphire Guardswoman with Hair Bun and White Boots: 4
    Mr. Kapoor: 4
    Nguyen: 4
    Zayan Kapoor: 4
    Auntie O: 3
    Blonde Sapphire Guardswoman: 3
    Marauding Hobgoblin Band Leader with Goatee: 3
    O-Chul’s Foster Uncle: 3
    Ownerless Riding Horse: 3
    Mount of Sapphire Guardsman with Ponytail and Amulet: 3
    Civilian Woman Carer: 2
    Female Marauding Hobgoblin Band Member: 2
    Hobgoblin Waiter: 2
    Hobgoblin with Murdered Sister: 2
    Killer Whale: 2
    Marauding Hobgoblin Band Member with Handaxe: 2
    Marauding Hobgoblin Band Member with Spear: 2
    Sapphire Guardsman with Beard and Ponytail: 2
    Sapphire Guardsman with Ponytail and Amulet: 2
    Dolphin: 1
    O-Chul’s Father: 1
    O-Chul’s Mother: 1
    Old Civilian Carer with Cane: 1
    Redcloak: 1
    Strike Force Sapphire Guardsman on Foot with Spiky Black Hair and White Armor: 1 (+2 from Start of Darkness)
    Strike Force Sapphire Guardsman Who Kills Redcloak’s Uncle: 1 (+3 from Start of Darkness)
    Strike Force Sapphire Guardsman with Azure City-Style Helmet: 1 (+2 from Start of Darkness)
    Strike Force Sapphire Guardsman with Bald Head: 1 (+2 from Start of Darkness)
    Strike Force Sapphire Guardswoman with Light Parted Hair: 1 (+1 from Start of Darkness)
    Strike Force Sapphire Guardswoman Who Kills Redcloak’s Sister: 1 (+3 from Start of Darkness)
    Xo: 1
    Wolverine: 1
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    Are we going to give Thor two more appearances for 1132 and 1133, now that we know they were walking on the top of his boot the whole time?

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    Are we going to give Thor two more appearances for 1132 and 1133, now that we know they were walking on the top of his boot the whole time?
    We already did it.
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    Durkon, Minrah, Thor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    Sooooooo... I've been working on this on and off for weeks. I think I finally have it in a satisfactory state - i.e. as nearly perfect as possible.

    Under the spoiler tags are my counts for every character in the O-Chul PDF. A few of them differ from Zyzzyva's - I think mine are probably more accurate, given how closely I've checked and double-checked, although of course I could always have made a mistake. I have a separate count for each page recorded in my notes, if anyone wants to challenge a number.

    O-Chul's number of appearances can be decreased by 1 if we're not including the picture of him on the title page.
    I will *absolutely* defer to your counts, and also doff my cap in admiration at your work. :)
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    Malack doesn't talk in either of his bonus appearances, so only "Malack" the Lizardfolk should have +2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    Malack doesn't talk in either of his bonus appearances, so only "Malack" the Lizardfolk should have +2.
    Nice point.

    About the new material, title pages should be removed as well.
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    My counts for the new material in Good Deeds Gone Unpunished:

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    Mr. Scruffy: 9
    Carbuncle:6
    Lord Shojo: 3
    Darker baby carbuncle: 2
    Lighter baby carbuncle: 2
    Argent: 1
    Belkar Bitterleaf: 1
    Demon-Roaches: 1
    Goblin Dan: 1
    Hinjo: 1
    Hydra: 1
    Miko Miyazaki: 1
    Monster in the Darkness: 1
    Pineappled Wight: 1
    Point-Granting Wight: 1
    Redcloak: 1
    Regarding GDGU:
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    On page 27, panel 1, and again on page 29, panel 2, the rift left by Soon's Gate is visible in the background, and there are squiggly tendrils emanating from it. Is that an appearance of the Snarl? Compare to #945, for example, where just the squiggly lines constitute an appearance of the Snarl.
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    Regarding GDGU:
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    On page 27, panel 1, and again on page 29, panel 2, the rift left by Soon's Gate is visible in the background, and there are squiggly tendrils emanating from it. Is that an appearance of the Snarl? Compare to #945, for example, where just the squiggly lines constitute an appearance of the Snarl.
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    Looks like the "cracks" as seen here and here.
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    Looks like the "cracks" as seen here and here.
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    Oh cool. I hadn't seen that post by the Giant, and it's hard to tell the difference between "cracks" and tendrils in grayscale. I think you're right, no Snarl.


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    What about Yu? Anyone else think she looks an awful lot like the "Sapphire Guardswoman with Black Hair" in the front row of #447 and others?

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    1136: Durkon, Minrah, Thor, possibly the pink-haired bariaur if she shows up in a later strip and seems to have been one of the small figures at the gate.
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    Durkon, Minrah, Thor

    Also four figues on 10th panel.
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    Oh cool. I hadn't seen that post by the Giant, and it's hard to tell the difference between "cracks" and tendrils in grayscale. I think you're right, no Snarl.


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    What about Yu? Anyone else think she looks an awful lot like the "Sapphire Guardswoman with Black Hair" in the front row of #447 and others?
    Good catch! I'd say you're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    [#1136] Also four figues on 10th panel.
    Yeah, right in front of the gate. And the peak of that tall pine, the second one to the right of the gate, reaches up as high as the lowest windows of the large building. I bet he's a spy, eavesdropping conversations of the people inside the building. He'll be an important character.

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    The index lists Andi's first appearance as:

    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0935.html

    but somebody with very similar long pale brown hair, and dark red clothing, appears here, dropping alchemist's fire from the Mechane:

    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0392.html

    (Andi wears both dark red and pale red in her 935 appearance)


    Has the possibility that the alchemist's fire dropper is Andi, been brought up before?

    EDIT, apparently, now I look at the previous thread, yes, it was brought up - but argued that the hairstyle is different enough (lack of bangs) that they might be different people:

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    But one of them looks like Andi, don't they? The one speaking when they throw the Alchemists Fire?
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    Not IMO; Andi has bangs.
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    I think there is enough of a difference to count them as different people.
    However, the combination of hair colour, and outfit colour - does make it seem plausible to me that they're the same person. People's hairstyle can change a lot in 10 months. Look at Haley's, or V's. Increasingly detailed graphics over time may also account for the change.

    Andi also ties her hair with a red band:

    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1065.html

    the same as Fire Dropper.
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    Hair colours looks way too different.
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    I do feel that it's intended to be the same person, but it's different enough that I'd wait for some official confirmation. Maybe when Rich talks about developing her in the commentary he'll mention it (like how he mentioned Jirix being the cleric who died in the throne room) or if he does another Q&A someone can ask him.
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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

    FWIW - and I'm actually not sure which side this would argue for - Rich actually edited an early Book 6 strip because he had named the character that became Andi two different things.
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    Yep. Sally if I recall.
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    Yep. Sally if I recall.
    Yeah, that's what I remember too.


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    Hair colours looks way too different.
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    I do feel that it's intended to be the same person, but it's different enough that I'd wait for some official confirmation.


    Compare Carol's (pirate with dotted head cloth) hair colour in same pair of strips I've linked to - it's even more different. Hers is a very different shade of brown in the later strip. And the edge of the hair is more "ragged" in the later strip.

    Yet that's not seen as a barrier to her being the same character.

    Or, for that matter, compare Haley's hair in War & XPs to Haley's hair at the end of Blood Runs In the Family. Quite noticeable colour change.
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    About the new book (very minor spoiler):

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    I propose that the carbuncle that Scruffy adventures with is named "Tumble".


    Also, do we track alterations of appearances in bonus material? Because there are a number of those.
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    Default Re: Number of Character Appearances VI - Wrecan: "I like counting things"

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    Also, do we track alterations of appearances in bonus material? Because there are a number of those.
    No, we don't.
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