The Star Wars vs. Star Trek fandom rivalry is a myth.

[Malimar]

♬ Only question I ever thought was hard was do I like Kirk or do I like Picard? ♫

As for the intra-Star Trek debate, I'd go:

1) Sisko

2) Kirk

3) Janeway

4) Picard

5) Archer.

Archer is definitely way too shouty and yelly to be a good captain.

Tho yeah, Sisko's good -- between Janeway, Picard, and Sisko, we have an embarrassment of riches in terms of good captains.

Janeway > Picard > Sisko > Kirk > Archer

[JBPuffin]

Also:

Photon torpedoes - Star Trek
Proton torpedoes - Star Wars

Is it bad I've never heard the R in proton torpedoes? Never used it in conversation, but that comment has changed my ears permanently.

[Lamech]

Can I say that both have things that are both good and bad, and are both horrible and great at times. The best experience is taking the best parts of both series to watch and skimming over the poopy parts?

[Legato Endless]

They were both the best captain for their crew.

Or their time. The era of early cold war frontierism to soft power cultural hegemony.

I really don't know if just one man counts as a "rivalry", but author David Brin has posted many different times about "why Start Trek is better than [I]Star Wars...

There's a few minor Internet personalities along that line but they're fairly inconsequential. David Wong of Stardestoyer.net for another. Not so much for who would win in a fight debate but when his 'analysis' of themes and culture comes out there's preferential bias and ignorance.

There's also the fact that making grandiose slanted comparisons is an easy way to generate traffic. By declaring the superiority of one element over another in a fandom or between works or how what you like actually sucks is an easy attention hook. How much is sincere versus marketing.

[An Enemy Spy]

I don't think most people see these fandom "rivalries" as anything but a bit of fun. You can see the ones that really do get worked up over this stuff in the YouTube comment section and they come across as very poorly adjusted souls. If you find yourself becoming furious that something similar to a thing you like has fans, you really need to take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you've gotten to this point.

[Honest Tiefling]

Maybe it's a location/generational thing? From what I've seen, people like Star Trek when they want to discuss something (And ignore episodes like Code of Honor, Wrongs Darker then the Darkest Night, or Rejoined), while the three Star Wars films are for when you want a good movie.

That, and Star Trek is way easier to cosplay.

Oh god. Janeway would have been the worst character on Voyager if it hadn't been for all the others. The Doctor was the only part of that show I actually liked.

Probably the most universal geek statement I have ever encountered. Sir, I do salute you. Let us join together and hold hands to bask in the truth of this statement.

Can I say that both have things that are both good and bad, and are both horrible and great at times. The best experience is taking the best parts of both series to watch and skimming over the poopy parts?

The three aforementioned episodes (along with a lot of others) leads me to believe that when Star Trek is good, it's great. When it's not good...You have to wonder if they really intended for that message.

[scalyfreak]

The three aforementioned episodes (along with a lot of others) leads me to believe that when Star Trek is good, it's great. When it's not good...You have to wonder if they really intended for that message.

Watch The Measure of a Man. It's somewhere in the middle of the first season of TNG.

I'll be here waiting to discuss it when you're done.

[Honest Tiefling]

Watch The Measure of a Man. It's somewhere in the middle of the first season of TNG.

I'm confused, I never said there weren't good episodes, just that when Trek is bad, it's BAD and possibly offensive.

[An Enemy Spy]

Watch The Measure of a Man. It's somewhere in the middle of the first season of TNG.

I'll be here waiting to discuss it when you're done.

I'm pretty sure that's a second season episode. Season 1 of TNG is a wasteland.

[Honest Tiefling]

I'm pretty sure that's a second season episode. Season 1 of TNG is a wasteland.

scalyfreak, watch Code of Honor then tell me that you are surprised that someone got fired for that one...

[scalyfreak]

Season two was a wasteland as well. Less putrid, but that doesn't say much. But you're right, it is in season two. They blend together into one long and blur of terrible in my mind.

scalyfreak, watch Code of Honor then tell me that you are surprised that someone got fired for that one...

I did watch that one. It improved considerably after I turned it into a drinking game. Every time someone who looks like an extra from the original series says something unbelievably dumb, have a drink.

Are either of you familiar with the absolutely brilliant website known as SF Debris?

[The New Bruceski]

The writer for Code of Honor did SG-1's Emancipation? Geez, that was another stinker.

[An Enemy Spy]

Season two was a wasteland as well. Less putrid, but that doesn't say much. But you're right, it is in season two. They blend together into one long and blur of terrible in my mind.



I did watch that one. It improved considerably after I turned it into a drinking game. Every time someone who looks like an extra from the original series says something unbelievably dumb, have a drink.

Are either of you familiar with the absolutely brilliant website known as SF Debris?

Dear god, how were you not killed? And I adore SF Debris.

[Honest Tiefling]

Are either of you familiar with the absolutely brilliant website known as SF Debris?

I love that man's work. And I think he discussed the fact that yes, SG-1 Emancipation was written by the same writer.

I really want to know how her non-white coworkers looked at her. 'Oh, another tale of a white, blue-eyed blonde attractive woman getting kidnapped by non-white folks. Guess it's the Asian's turn today'.

Oddly, she did the actually decent episode of Deep Space Nine, which DOESN'T read as some racially charged porn...

[scalyfreak]

Dear god, how were you not killed? And I adore SF Debris.

Very careful sipping.

And for the record, that episode is one of a few that proves Honest Tiefling wrong. It is blatantly offensive, not possibly.

Anyways, Code of Honor was worth suffering through only because it made the SF Debris review make more sense and becomes more entertaining.

[Honest Tiefling]

And for the record, that episode is one of a few that proves Honest Tiefling wrong. It is blatantly offensive, not possibly.

True, as is Wrongs Darker then Death or Night (I got the title wrong and I don't like this episode enough to go back and fix it) and the various LGBTQ attempts are probably more in the blatantly offensive camp.

Say what you will about Gunguns, at least they never tried to forcibly marry anyone.

[Strigon]

True, as is Wrongs Darker then Death or Night (I got the title wrong and I don't like this episode enough to go back and fix it) and the various LGBTQ attempts are probably more in the blatantly offensive camp.

Say what you will about Gunguns, at least they never tried to forcibly marry anyone.

(Patiently waits for the Star Wars nerd to come in and show that, in comic series who-knows-which, issue 147.5, oh yes they did.)