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Thread: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire
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2007-11-07, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, it falls back to Mookie. In dramatic moments, he tends to use over-the-top words.
Also, LMAO at Mookie's definition of 'purging.' I don't mean this to be a commentary on politics or anything, but imagine the reaction if America said "we are purging our presence in Iraq" then just demolished all the McDonalds and other American-based company structures there while not removing a single troop. Or during the Crusades: We will purge the Infidels from our lands! (either side may apply), then not actually fighting them at all, just burning down their temples. Its moronic.May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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I'd like the next thread to be titled "Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Ailleurs" but I'm not sure everybody would get it. (It means "elsewhere" in French. Same pronunciation as hire/higher except for the lack of the h.)
By the way, have any of you noticed the "'Deadeye' Deegan and the Longshot Clan" link that has been on the menu bar for I-don't-know-how-long?Hark! An avatar drawn by Kate Beaton!
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2007-11-07, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Winterwind, a most excellent compilation!
On to purging:
Poor Milov must still be a little staggered from all the drinking if he thinks his statements are internally consistent.
Behold: Nimmel is not to be executed/expelled because he has "done nothing wrong." However, the Luanian Church is to be expelled (along with all its preachers) because an individual (Jayden) has done something individually wrong. Unless the Luanian Church advocates (1) sleeping around and/or (2) cheating on your boyfriend for no good reason, it *too* has done nothing wrong and is being punished by association.
But what of loyalty? I'm not sure if a church can "show loyalty" but I'm sure the fidelity which the other priests must have (being LG) should be honorable enough. Certainly more honorable than Nimmel who, as has been pointed out, betrayed the sacrifice of his comrades who all died rather than give up information.
I don't think this even counts as Fridge Logic, but if the council accepts Milov's arguments then they must be suffering under Plot Induced Stupidity.
The only good thing is that Milov is, in fact, purging most to the Callanians from his land. Um, chances are none of the First or Second Caste individuals will be affected either (save Jayden, the trollop!)...
Stupid Mookie! I would say this is the worst way to end the arc, but I know that tomorrow, he'll introduce another factor which will only enrage me further!
*shift*
Digression on WA Political Theory
SpoilerThe WA appeals to be organized on a very loose "pack model" mixed with a clan confederacy. Every clan chooses the most powerful/prestigious member of its clan to "speak" for it (the alpha), and the clan council uses consensus (tinged with violence) for all of its decisions. Power/influence affects a given clan's weight in the council, though all Clan Lands appear to be relatively sovereign. Old people (elders) appear to have the right to remain on the Clan Council, though their power is diminished - perhaps generally only in an advisory role.
Geopolitically, we have no idea where the WA is in relation to Callan. Since Callan appears to be fairly warm, I think we can say WA is northish, and probably fairly close to land. The WA appear to be xenophobic to a very high degree and very touchy, so I bet Callan does its best to leave them alone. Rather, Callan prefers to pick on the strangely-warlike-but-pacific vegetarian orcs using proxy armies for no good reason.
Finally, it doesn't look like any "nation" actually has relations with any other except through the Luanian Church.
Summary
- WA is filled with powerful, xenophobic (in a good way?) werewolves across water
- Callan is a senselessly violent nation that picks fights with weak nations via implausible proxy armies
- The Luanian Church is the only source of "foreign relations" in the world, but nobody likes them either
- The Orcs are a strangely-warlike-but-pacific race of vegetarians who some Callanians discriminate against (older generation + 4th Caste), but the younger generation loves
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Damn. I really should refresh my French, it's gotten completely rusty (and I used to speak it nigh fluently! ).
But actually, I'd like to see how long we can get this thread.
I did. Never followed it though.
So, where are the Award winners? Don't we get an Awards Acceptance Speech, or are you afraid of eliminating San Francisco?
Thanks!
I still want to know how purging the lands from Callanian presence does not imply getting rid of the Callanians themselves.
I can only suppose that the church counts as "influence", whereas a single person does not.
Yeah, it's a weak explanation.
Of course, we shall see yet how he closes the Siegfried arc, which is at the very least somehow related.
Still, what exactly did this arc accomplish? A group of priests we didn't know about in the first place is getting kicked out of the Winter Archipelago. Well? So what? It's not like their presence was important to the plot for some reason anyway.
Unless it's on the southern hemisphere, but otherwise, yeah.
Indeed, begs the question what exactly this war was about in the first place. It's not like Callan used the Maltak plains for anything after that, or as if there were any natural ressources they received as tribute.
Wow. Mookie's world building is even weaker than I realised.Last edited by Winterwind; 2007-11-07 at 01:01 PM.
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2007-11-07, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Deadeye" Deegan is purely coincidental - there's no way to tie it to DD.
Acceptance speech though? Let's see...
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On the Maltak War and Mookie's Purpose
SpoilerThe stated purpose for the Maltak War was a land-grab, since the plains were expansive and stuff. Clearly Mookie wanted the Orcs to be Noble Savages on the "Injun" bent - fierce and noble warriors who respected Mother Earth and wanted no trouble with the White Man (Callan) until they tried to push them out.
Now, in America the expansion westward was designed to lessen population pressures and to provide greater opportunities for European immigrants - Land of Opportunity and all that. Good, bad, or whatever, there was a clear and compelling reason to expand into the west - oh, and France or Spain would likely have taken up our interior if we hadn't.
Callan though? It looks completely unmotivated because Mookie didn't do his research. Mookie doesn't care why things happened, just that they did, so he causes everyone to seemingly act randomly to achieve whatever ends Mookie wants to see.
It does not matter to Mookie why Callan would invade Maltak, nor why Callan would use Infernomancers, nor why the vegetarian and pacific Orcs spend so much time being warlike among each other. All he wanted to do is show a poor race ("Injuns" or Orcs) being set upon by evil men (US Cavalry or Infernomancers) by an uncaring nation (US or Callan).
This, by the way, is one of the reasons that all the Red Shirts seem to be empty headed, unthinking clods. It's not just that Mookie thinks people are dumb (he does) but if he doesn't have a specific message for them to deliver, he had no use for what gets them through the day - so why bother worrying about them?
Pah, that turned out to be a rant, so I've spoilered it.Last edited by Oracle_Hunter; 2007-11-07 at 01:20 PM.
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Now that was great. Thank you, Oracle_Hunter.
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Hark! An avatar drawn by Kate Beaton!
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Y'know Nimmel's little back story can be very easily twisted against him. I mean, it is afater a case of Loyalty vs Loyalty... He was loyal to his classmates, but at the cost of betraying his teacher.
And one thing came to mind with this
Milov: "Hey Nimmel, you know that horribly tragic event that left you emotionally, mentally, and physically scared and nearly drove you to Suiced? Ya well, in order to get back Family pride which in essence is rather meaningless, i'm gonna need you to talk about it in front dozens of strangers... oh, and to be more convincing i think i'll have you let everyone see it with seer magic. It'll be like reliving the event! I'm sure their is no danger of you having a relapse or something... and it's not like their aren't other examples of Callan Loyalty throughout it's long history that i can call back upon to show that not all Callans are bad"
And Really, i think i need an explanation on how Callans themselves are not considered "Callan presence". honestly... y'know, would it have been so hard for Mookie to say Callan "culture" instead of presence... that be like saying, Callans are still welcome thouhg they must live by the ways of the locals and leave their culture behind.
and you got to love the punishing all of Callan for the wrongdoings of two individuals... Ya, i guess by being part of the second Caste, Milov will be resloved in all error in that decision... Y'know, i think if this was Boris making this exact same purposal he would would condemned by The Dominic
Milov's current actions-
Milov: because of the betrayal done by the two Callans, all Callan culture will be removed form the land, but the Callans themselves are still welcome.
The Dominic: I'm sorry it came to this, but you were in a tough position and something had to be done... it's only understandable that you would do such a thing and no one can blame you for it
if Milov decided to stick by his previous decisions regarding Callan culture in WA-
Boris: To restore Milov's and his families pride, the elders and alphas decided to meet Milov halfway... because of the betrayal done by the two Callans, all Callan culture will be removed from the land, but the Callans themselves are still welcome.
The Dominic: Those stupid Bigots! How dare they punish a whole race for the acts of the few!
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too awsome
Y'know i really would like to see the reaction from other forums on that...
There will be those who agree with it and find it to be as hilarious as we find it, and it will probably be hilarious to hear Deegan lovers try and fight back agaisnt it ( Though it could also be rather frusrtating...)Last edited by slayerx; 2007-11-07 at 02:02 PM.
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We have some disturbing implications in this update. We’ve seen a lot of things to be mutable in the Mookieverse, but today RACE becomes subject to change!
assume: Callanians are immoral. Therefore if a person is moral, they cannot be Callanian;
and: Werewolves are moral. Therefore if a person is moral, they might be a werewolf;
then: Nimmel claims to be Callanian, but is moral. Since he cannot be Callanian, perhaps he is alittle tiny rockwerewolf.
I'd launch into a tirade about this logic, but it makes me too tired.
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"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr.
MordenDeegan?"Last edited by Tekraen; 2007-11-07 at 02:44 PM.
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We're not exactly one of the "main" DD forums (pro, con, or snarky) but if you want to see the Battlefield of the Future, you need look no further than the Dominic Deegan TV Tropes Discussion Page.
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Why is everyone posting so much. I fail to read it. I am too busy revisong for a Maths GCSE on monday -.-
And so we come round to another random quote
"Grampa where are you?"
"I'm down here you ungrateful little punk"*looks down*"Hey hows it doing?"
"Gramps are you okay?"
"OK course i'm not okay, you put me in a home"
"What? No i didn't"
"Yes you did, You couldn't stand the sight of me anymore so you had me sent away. I swear kids these days they have no respect for their elders."
"Grampa you're not in a home, you've been kidnapped"
"What?"
"Pegasus put your soul into a card and now he is forcing me to duel him in a tornament to rescue you"
"What?"
"Grampa is your hearing aid switched on?"
"What? Just a second i don't think my hearing aid is switched on"
"Grr *punches floor* And now my hand is broken"
"WoOoOoah Nelly!"
Fairly long wasn't it|
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I want to know why there wasn't a award for person who most mentiond tentacle rape. But why? What is the problem with the amount of times i brought up tentacle rape to explain that brief period of a different pannel layout. That is all there is too it... Siggy just wants to let Milov know what Milov was missing out on with Jayden. But he got it all wrong... for obvious reasons inwhich i think may get me kicked from the forum for explaing. I also think that we must not tell Mookie the story which starts "when a Mommy and Daddy love each other very much". Why you ask? Well we must not let Mookie breed.
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What I want to know is: what Luanian priest are even there? We haven't seen any other than Jayden. And it is obvious that nobody (at least nobody important) actually follows the Luanian religion in the archipelago otherwise a single alpha would not be able to just get rid of it, so why is it even there to begin with?
They are doing a poor job of spreading their religion when none of the 'priest' are actually using diplomacy with the werewolves over the incident. I think they all just need one good Look in the Mirror (TM) to boost their confidence so they can defend themselves.
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*jaw drops*
I finally found the comic that CONFIRMS that Dominic is a self-insertion.
Oh noes.
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Averagejoe posted this abomination a few days ago for my horrification.
It's depressing that he doesn't even try to hide it.
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Honestly, I think that is just how he draws. That is not to say that Dominic isn't a self-insertion, I just feel that even if he isn't that is just how he would draw himself anyways.
Seriously, all the faces are pretty much the same so the only variability is whatever he puts onto that face. The anime-spiky hair, I believe, is his default, as many characters (regardless of gender) have the same hairstyle as Dominic's, only perhaps a little more curvy. The only other features are eye-wear and facial hair. If you look closely enough there are slight variations in chin/head cliff slope.Last edited by Monnock; 2007-11-07 at 07:32 PM.
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It is possible that he is able to form concepts on the issues he talked about that exceed what he is able to implement into a story, hence the seemingly contrary response to his presentation to what would be expected after viewing this thread. That, or the people at the conference simply have a different idea about what 'good' is.
Either way, it would be interesting to see what he said that caused people to give a standing ovation.
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I got twenty seconds into the first one before the utmost terror gripped my weak heart.
I feared that by watching it in its entirety I would summon our dread overlord, Cthulhu into the mortal realm.
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Damn it. Now I'm attracted to Mookie.
Seriously though, from the interviews he's quite personable and surprisingly good-looking (if you like the geeky gamer types, which I do). One wonders why his self-esteem is apparently so low that his comic is rife with creepy wish fulfillment and self-insertion.
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Do you know what this means? This means that WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH MORE OF SZARK!
And to have Mal play DD? My god, thats blasphemy!Explosion Mage of the House of Kato
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Great commemoration of page 100, Winterwind!
I must admit, I wouldn't read the comic if it weren't for Strip Slays. MST3K's fun and all, but comics like today's just cannot be swallowed without a strip slay to mitigate their impact. Today marks the lead-in to what is most certainly going to be a trite, contrived plot, even by Mookie's standards (My powers of precognition tell me that the werewolves will be so overwhelmed by Nimmel's story that they'll tell Milov he doesn't have to exile the Callanians). There are three things I can do about this:
- I can accept it at face value and suffer horribly.
- I can come up with rampant speculation to make the events seem more plausible (eg Nimmel had secretly been in league with Karnak the entire time, and his loyalty is proven when he lets TIM kill his friends and scar his eye just to further the Demon Lord's schemes)
- I can make a strip slay, so that I'll be reminded of something funny when I look at the comic.
But we are more than just mockers, my friends. We are a--
...Winterwind, did you remember to put the anti-seer glyphs on the invitations?
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I would like some sauce on that, if it's not any trouble.
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I promised myself I wouldn't cry.
I'd also like to thank Mookie for his middle-school doodle animu art and Bill Gates for his crappy, never-upgraded picture manipulation program; both of their horrible creations were essential for making my work possible.
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