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2017-07-29, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-29, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
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2017-07-29, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
Ah. I think I see.
The memory was useful, but not to Darkon (fusion of "dark" and "Durkon" - everyone else is making up names so I might as well). The obvious wards in the memory were useful as a deterrent to Darkon and to Hel's other clerics.
On a lighter note: that guy has quite a problem with the door, doesn't he? I'm loving that side joke!
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2017-07-29, 07:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
I'm a Lawful Good Human PaladinJustice and honor are a heavy burden for the righteous. We carry this weight so that the weak may grow strong and the meek grow brave
— The Acts of Iomedae, Pathfinder
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2017-07-29, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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How in Thor's name do Durkon's memories include the expressions of the people he couldn't see behind him?
For that matter, why do so many of those memories include Durkon's own face?
Can it be "vampire magic" calling up past events from a point-of-view outside Durkon's body and not memories in the exact sense?
No matter what it is, I've never seen anything like Rich's narrative tool of victim memories informing the vampiric soul on demand, allowing the undead to mimic the old life. It's brilliant: exposition and plot forwarding in one stroke.White Magic
( 8-{D} Balding, bespectacled, mustachioed happy bearded guy, usually open mouthed.
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2017-07-29, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
My effort at a "no prize" for how Durkon can see himself in his memory is that there is a mirror. Great comic. Interesting that some of the dwarves are frowning on what should be a happy occasion. I bet that Durkon did put some extra clarity on his memory of the wards to move the vampire hit squad away.
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2017-07-29, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
A memory is not necessarily just a photographic recall of what your eyes saw, and a phonographic recall of what your ears heard.
You can very easily argue that a memory is how you believe the events unfolded.
Easily illustrated by just how bad eyewitness testimony can be compared to a video record, or how an individuals memory of an event can literally change over time.
(don't think that last one can happen? Compare what someone who is 70 years old thinks of something now, vs what they thought of the same event 10 years before)
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2017-07-29, 08:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2017-07-29, 10:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
If this is true, I've got to say that I love how this situation has forced Durkon to develop something resembling a sense of guile, something he was sorely lacking before. Before his vampirism, the closest I can remember him coming to rules-lawyering was his acceptance of the dwarven tradition of suicide-by-tree as a way to circumvent a dishonorable death by old age.
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2017-07-30, 12:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
On a different tack, why not ask the more freshly-drained dwarfs in the previous comic about the rooms beyond? Surely they'd have more up-to-date memories. Were they just eaten, not turned?
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2017-07-30, 01:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
I think #264, meaningfully titled "I Cannae Tell a Lie", is as close as we've seen.
Without Malack's staff, the normal delay of three days would be required before they could rise as vampires.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2017-07-30, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
Interesting side note: the red haired dwarf asking Durkon to perform at his wedding is Uncle Hoskin. Guess he gave up on asking Sigdi to marry him.
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2017-07-30, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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On vampire personalities:
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I would have gone with "mature" before "smart". Gontor/Craig is acting more like a child than an idiot.
You know, when they get to that rebellious teenager phase.
I can think of few things more horrifying to most members of the order than an eternity trapped with someone who takes Elan's thoughts on dramatic suitability seriously.
"Once I'm free of this weird red stuff, I'm gonna strangle you with it!"
"Joke's on you. That red stuff is part of your own mind. If you break it, you'll give yourself brain damage."
"Worth it!"
"I suppose it would be. You don't seem to use that mind of yours too often..."
"Sure, keep talking. Every word you say makes your eventual demise that much more satisfying."
Other vampire stuff:
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Vampire Underling: "I can't believe that worked."
...Vampires were not just "eeeevil". Symbolism is about what goes beyond their plot purpose as villains, e.g. the aspects which make them capable of representing upper-class greed and gluttony, disease, or our baser vices. More here. As to how the can't-come-in-without-invitation thing works...you need to give the upper class a reason or opportunity before they target you with their greed, older understandings of disease (and, to an extent, modern ones) said you'd be safe if you avoided tainted areas and didn't let anything tainted in, and obviously vices don't affect you if you don't "let them in". (There are probably better explanations from people who spent more than a minute total thinking about this.)
That's the most-accepted name. (Or tied with Greg, I'm not keeping track. But Greg is so random that I can't take it seriously.)
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Because non-ironic prophecies are usually either boring or wrong.
You messed up the BBcode. But I appreciate your choice of answer.
Aside from Durkon's mother and probably-grandfather, everyone in the front row on that side is wearing the same vestments as those on the other side. Seating arrangements are clearly not that simplistic.
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2017-07-30, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-30, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-30, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-30, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2017-07-30, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Now this is character development done well. The plot still moves forward, it's believable, and it stays long enough to move your heart, but not long enough as to be tiresome.
As for the splash panel of the people behind Memory!Durkon, they appear to be making noise (one of them is shush-ing). Durkon could very easily have pictured it in his mind. Given that the only annoyed people are clergy folk, Durkon probably knows them (and would know they wouldn't approve of such rowdyness).
Memory is a funny thing: They don't have to be everything seen through Durkon's eyes. Hell, they might not even be factually true, only that Durkon believes it happened that way.
Bonus points if that is the way Durkula is beaten. Extra bonus points if the blessed dolly is involved.
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2017-07-30, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1086 - The Discussion Thread
all this talk of memmories and knowing what's behind you etc just makes me want to set up an elaborite set of occourances, that i reccord on flm, then reccord myself recalling what happened and when from memmoy every year or so, to see how it changes with time.
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2017-07-30, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nah. I am going with literally physically unable to cross the magic barrier.
Vampires of old Christian mythology are basically in-league-with-Satan-himself evil spirits. Whether this was a somehow acquired property of the soul of the dead person that imbues the corpse with evil or some demon that infected the corpse after death was rather ambiguous.
Keep in mind that every important building would have been blessed by the priest, most especially the dwellings of those with real money. So in a weak sense, they are all "holy ground". That would not really matter for the usual day to day events, but would be expected to keep real devils from simply waltzing in. To suggest otherwise implies that those priests you paid coin to did not know how to splash their holy water around and speak their prayers in latin, which is a borderline blasphemy because it denigrates their competence at the Seven Sacraments, too. ("Excuse me, m'lord, but you are two centuries too early to Protestant Reformation. The Inquisition is here to rip out your entrails to help you confess your trespasses, so they can save your soul before your imminent expiration.")
Thus the politeness act is not a requirement, but a convenient subterfuge. A person of noble bearing with the right manners who appears at the door of the aristocrat would not ask to be invited or barge in; he would be "correct" to expect an invitation for a meal and lodging in return for entertaining conversation and news about the world.
As for whether peasant dwellings afford such protection, I would say...I dunno. Even most poor homes were permanent structures that passed through generations, and some poor traveling priest who wanted to encourage religious spirit in the poor would probably do such things on the cheap. The poorest of the poor were fodder for the evil spirits, as their rickety hovels were unblessed and their dead to interred in graves without the money to pay for priestly blessing.
To explicitly address Cazero's point, it is exactly because vampires are eeeeevil that they are physically required to respect certain boundaries. So they make a show of being oh so polite both as a ploy to hide their embarrassing little problem and a tactic to gain invitations.Last edited by Snails; 2017-07-30 at 11:49 PM.
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2017-07-30, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm a Lawful Good Human PaladinJustice and honor are a heavy burden for the righteous. We carry this weight so that the weak may grow strong and the meek grow brave
— The Acts of Iomedae, Pathfinder
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2017-07-31, 02:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-31, 06:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-07-31, 07:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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