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2017-08-30, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Firstly, as a magical beast (rather than an animal) there's no rule restricting its intelligence to 1 or 2, so a player could assign an 11 there and satisfy PC requirements.
Also, I do assume that mindless or unintelligent beings somehow get sufficient intelligence.Creator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2017-08-30, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
I swear that the writers were on drugs when designing some of these monsters.
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2017-08-30, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
It's a crime that this won't be seen by any more than the few hundred (? ish? Maybe?) people who check out this thread.
That said, I think +1 is completely fine. Flight + FoM is worth forcing 5th level, since everything else can be summed up as "can hit things moderately well."
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2017-08-30, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
I also agree with +1. This is a bleh package for ECL 5, but honestly getting some of those super needed abilities will be awesome later on.
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2017-08-30, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-30, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-30, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
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2017-08-30, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
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2017-08-30, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
I knew Spider Eaters were a thing, but I could have sworn they were from one of the later MMs, or possibly Fiend Folio. Flabbergasted that they're in MM1. What other secrets is this book hiding from me?
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2017-08-30, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
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2017-08-30, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-31, 12:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Pffft, the secret to immortality is in Dungeon Magazine. No, really-one of the treasures at the bottom of Castle Maur was an artifact elixir that rendered the drinker immortal, at least age-wise. you still took physical ability score penalties every century until you hit 1, though, so it was kind of meh.
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2017-08-31, 01:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Pros:
+10 Str
+10 Con
+2 Dex
+2 Wis
Full BAB (all 4 HD)
That's more than just hitting moderately well. That's a +5 bonus over what you could expect any similarly-priced statted Str-based character to obtain.
That bonus means less over time, as Wild Shape and poly any object come into play, but that's when the freedom of movement starts to shine.
All-day flight is available to Warlocks at level 6. That's where I think this guy should sit.
Here's a sample build:
Spider Eater 4 / Barbarian 3 (pounce totem) / Fist of the Forest 3 / Bear Warrior 10
Barbarian 3: Lion Spirit Totem (for Pounce); Trapslayer ACF (to find traps with Survival and kill them with BAB).
Fist of the Forest: nice Unarmed Strike damage (take Beast Strike to add claw damage to unarmed strikes); add Con to AC (and you have +10 Con).
Bear Warrior: add another large bonus to your already absurd Strength, and get more attacks.
Bumping the Spider Eater to LA +2 would allow this exact build, but with 2 fewer levels of Barbarian (removing Uncanny Dodge and Trapslayer). Still quite competitive, but not totally overshadowing the basic Barb 4 / FotF 3 / Bear Warrior 10 / whatever 3.
A Meldshaper or Martial Initiator could be even more powerful.I want you to PEACH me as hard as you can.
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2017-08-31, 01:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
On the one hand, yeah, on the other ... it doesn't really have proper hands, going by the picture and/or description, it seems most/all manipulation would be done with its mouth.
Oh, sure, mouthpick weapons are a thing ... but lacking hands or a suitable equivalent capability is a significant downside, and one that I think hasn't always been fully considered.
Edit: That is to say, I think LA +1 is fine.
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2017-08-31, 05:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
The lack of a weapon means damage balances out fairly well. A Medium Barbarian with a Masterwork weapon has narrowed that attack bonus gap to a mere 1 while raging.
Sure, a Warlock is flying at 6th. The Warlock could also instead be doing any combination of being the face (Beguiling Influence, Charm), being the Rogue (Baleful Utterance), creating some BFC (Earthen Grasp, Miasmic Cloud, Breath of the Night), having maneuverability (Spiderwalk, Fell Flight, Swimming the Styx), having great senses (See the Unseen, All-Seeing eyes), etc. The Warlock is a completely different class of character than the Spider Eater. Comparing the two does not do the Spider Eater any favors.
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2017-08-31, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Good point, that. You'd even learn a language. It does mean you can't reasonably dump intelligence, but that's a minor drawback. Alrighty, thanks.
On the spider eater: Serpent Kingdoms has the Barbed Stinger feat, which grants you Improved Grab with your stinger, dealing automatic sting damage (including poison) each round you maintain hold. So if you can manage a ten-round hold, your opponent will have a chance to be paralyzed each round, at no additional action cost!
...Okay, that's not the real benefit. I was thinking, a Barbed Stinger with venomfire might be a decent start for a grappling build. Combine with druidic avenger, cleric, or Totem Rager (no native venomfire casting), and it'll definitely leave an impression on the rest of the table.Spoiler: Collectible nice thingsMy incarnate/crusader. A self-healing crowd-control melee build (ECL 8).
My Ruby Knight Vindicator barsader. A party-buffing melee build (ECL 14).
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2017-08-31, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
I agree with most of this analysis, but I feel it neglects the huge hit to Int and lack of manipulative appendages.
Skills matter. Unless you put an 18 into starting Int, you're likely to be only getting 1 skill point/level.
I'm on the border between LA +2 and LA +1, but I think I'll vote LA +1.Last edited by Thurbane; 2017-08-31 at 04:04 PM.
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2017-08-31, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
You're right that skills matter, but it's not true that paying for 18 Int is required.
Pay for 14 base Int (paying 6 points), and you'll have -2 skill points per level. That turns Swordsage into 4 skills maxed; Scout into 6 skills maxed; Barbarian into 2 skills maxed.
If you only got 2 skills, those two skills would probably be Spot and Listen, since you get a +4 racial bonus on those, and +2 Wisdom.
You'd be a bit one-dimensional, but you'd handily outperform other PCs within that area -- and that's what LA is supposed to correct.
Consider a 32-point-buy. Pick race Spider Eater and stats like...
Str 14 + 10 => 24
Dex 14 +2 => 16
Con 14 +10 => 24
Int 14 -8 => 6
Wis 14 +2 => 16
Cha 10I want you to PEACH me as hard as you can.
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2017-08-31, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
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2017-08-31, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Honestly a magical beast being friends with a fey seems less odd than, say, a neraph.
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2017-08-31, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
There's also the Open-Minded feat in XPH (I think).
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2017-08-31, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
I keep forgetting that these guys are Magical Beasts, not Aberrations...
Yep, Open Minded is a general feat found in XPH, as well as CAd.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2017-08-31, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
LA is not supposed to be that strict. It's completely fair to be a few points better at Spot/Listen than a human with max ranks and 14 wisdom, if you give up in other departments (which spider eaters do, and massively). For one, humans will always be 4 points ahead on Knowledge skills, plus that they can actually afford ranks.
Giving up skill ranks and appendages means you can't cast spells without Eschew Materials and Surrogate Spellcasting, you can't enter a lot of PrCs (seriously, every other PrC requires 8 ranks in some skill), you can't communicate with the party without a pearl of speech (not expensive, but it's a body slot), your armour is at 2x cost, your weapons need an extra +1 bonus to be mouthpick'd, and you probably can't use Craft, Disable Device, Forgery, Heal, Open Lock, Sleight of Hand, Use Magic Device, or Use Rope, because of the delicate manipulation required.
Spider eaters have a full attack at 2d8+12 (base 16 STR), which is about the same as an orc barbarian's single hit at ECL 5 (2d6+14, 2-point PA, rage, same base 16 STR). That's at the same to-hit: orcs get +1 bab, a masterwork greatsword, and no size penalty. I'm not even counting that the spider eater's bite is at -5, or that it can't actually fly and full attack (it'd fall).
Edit: Just realized that spider eaters only have two class skills: Spot and Listen. Annoying.Last edited by ExLibrisMortis; 2017-08-31 at 08:27 PM.
Spoiler: Collectible nice thingsMy incarnate/crusader. A self-healing crowd-control melee build (ECL 8).
My Ruby Knight Vindicator barsader. A party-buffing melee build (ECL 14).
Doctor Despair's and my all-natural approach to necromancy.
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2017-08-31, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
When this thread finished the MM, we should celebrate by trying to think up good characters (not just builds) for each of these monsters.
"Bzzzz... I was considered a little slow in the warblade dojo, but what they should have known was that I was learning more carefully. Bzzzz... I will always appreciate the compassion that the master showed for me, he made me truly feel 'human'. Bzzzz... I'm really hungry for a spider right about now."
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2017-08-31, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-31, 09:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Thurbane; 2017-08-31 at 09:37 PM.
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2017-08-31, 09:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-01, 01:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
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2017-09-01, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-09-02, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I live in Australia and my wife has the most intense arachnophobia of anyone I've ever met. Fun times.
Where i live spiders dont grow much larger than a centimeter or two (discounting legs), but some girls are still scared of them. Go figurethnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar