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    Question [3.5] Monstrous Lycanthrope

    I asked this in the RAW thread, but it was possibly outside of its scope:

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    Hopefully not too far outside the bounds of this thread...is there any Lycnathrope (or similar) template that can be applied to a Monstrous Humanoid? Preferably without having to jump through hoops like Human Heritage on the base creature.
    ...so, what are my options?

    For a NPC/monster build, so LA doesn't really matter.

    Also, I would rather not Rule 0 it - I like my encounters to be as RAW as possible.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Monstrous Lycanthrope

    I don't remember what the typing is, but MM has lycan slapped on a hill giant. They aren't humanoid, right? I'm afb or is have a better answer.

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    The easiest way is to add the Half-Troll template from Fiend Folio. It changes the type to Giant, which makes it legal for a lycanthrope.

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    I don't remember what the typing is, but MM has lycan slapped on a hill giant. They aren't humanoid, right? I'm afb or is have a better answer.
    Requires Humanoid or Giant.
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    Requires Humanoid or Giant.
    Totally forgot giant is a type. Go me.

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    Is there a specific creature you were going to apply the template to? It might be easier to mimic it with a unique monster or something other than lycanthrope, like Divine Minion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ranagrande View Post
    The easiest way is to add the Half-Troll template from Fiend Folio. It changes the type to Giant, which makes it legal for a lycanthrope.
    Good idea. The CR increase sucks, but it's workable.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Viscount View Post
    Is there a specific creature you were going to apply the template to? It might be easier to mimic it with a unique monster or something other than lycanthrope, like Divine Minion.
    Maybe for Tibbit, Goatfolk or Lupin? But MH in general would be good to know.

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    I know you dont want to rule 0 it but I always thought that was a silly rule. I see no good reason that template shouldnt be able to be applied to anything except like constructs and oozes and maybe vermin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remuko View Post
    I know you dont want to rule 0 it but I always thought that was a silly rule. I see no good reason that template shouldnt be able to be applied to anything except like constructs and oozes and maybe vermin.
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    I made a homebrew lycanthrope template that could be applied to humanoids, monstrous humanoids, giants, and native outsiders. A lot easier to apply than core's bizarre lycanthrope rules.

    http://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?p=403038#403038
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    Default Re: [3.5] Monstrous Lycanthrope

    This is sorta a hoop, but less I think than Human Heritage. Half-Troll, the template makes anything a Giant. Then you can apply Lycanthrope.
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    I would just take the "Humanoid or giant" and replace it with "Any creature humanoid in shape"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonexx View Post
    I made a homebrew lycanthrope template that could be applied to humanoids, monstrous humanoids, giants, and native outsiders. A lot easier to apply than core's bizarre lycanthrope rules.

    http://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?p=403038#403038
    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    I would just take the "Humanoid or giant" and replace it with "Any creature humanoid in shape"
    Is everyone forgetting the part where he wanted it to be RAW? Because all the homebrew suggestions are not RAW at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wristlet Eater View Post
    Is everyone forgetting the part where he wanted it to be RAW? Because all the homebrew suggestions are not RAW at all.
    I mentioned it in my comment. I was just giving my opinion on the RAW lycanthrope not really giving a suggestion, persay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    I would just take the "Humanoid or giant" and replace it with "Any creature humanoid in shape"
    That would allow undead and constructs though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remuko View Post
    I mentioned it in my comment. I was just giving my opinion on the RAW lycanthrope not really giving a suggestion, persay.
    I guess that is true. Still it is weird how OP says RAW and people are suggesting homebrew.

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    That would allow undead and constructs though.
    how about any adding any living creature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanos View Post
    That would allow undead and constructs though.
    Not really a problem since type is not changed by Lycanthrope. It would just be a undead or construct that can become an animal, which there already is with vampires, in the case of undead.

    Constructs don't really have anything like that but I guess it would be kind of like a Transformer that becomes an animal. It is weird but this is D&D.

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    I tend to ignore rules that make no sense to me or get in the way of my creation. If I wanna make a monstrous humanoid a werewolf then it's gonna be a werewolf. As the DM the rules are mine to break. Just as long as I'm cognizant of what I'm making and keep it balanced for the party.
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    Anything? Even animals?

    We fought dragons. We fought aberrant monsters. We even fought the lords of Hell, itself. But the one thing we could not fight, the one horrific creature that made us flee in terror was the Bear Were-Bear!
    It's all fun and games until you encounter the roc weremegalodon. Land or sea, you gawn get bit.


    That's a bit silly, but a bear warrior/sentinel of bharrai/primeval can become a triple bear. Polymorph into a bear, bear warrior polymorph into a bear for strength bonuses, then do it again with primeval. Could you imagine an awakened bear werebear in hybrid form beartotem barbarian/ sentinel of bharrai/primeval/bear warrior? That's quintuple bear! Bear^5!

    (You can also do berserk 3 and become a sextuple bear, but you only get +2 str and con)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanos View Post
    That would allow undead and constructs though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Baby Gary View Post
    how about any adding any living creature?
    I thought that part would be implied by the fact that lycanthropy is transmitted via disease, and undead/constructs aren't susceptible to disease due to their lack of con score.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wristlet Eater View Post
    Is everyone forgetting the part where he wanted it to be RAW? Because all the homebrew suggestions are not RAW at all.
    It's less homebrew than houserule, but he said "As RAW as possible". Suggesting a minor houserule still keeps it mostly RAW, and without resorting to unecessary template stacking, there is no answer in RAW.

    Libris mortis introduced the monstrous vampire, why not just houserule a monstrous lycanthrope too, after all, the trope is werewolves vs vampires, why not give them the same toys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daremetoidareyo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by daremetoidareyo View Post
    Bear^5
    You mean BearX5. What you said is Bear to the power of five, which is different.

    Also, you can do this as an Anthropomorphic Bear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    I thought that part would be implied by the fact that lycanthropy is transmitted via disease, and undead/constructs aren't susceptible to disease due to their lack of con score.
    It can be inherited too, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    It's less homebrew than houserule, but he said "As RAW as possible". Suggesting a minor houserule still keeps it mostly RAW, and without resorting to unecessary template stacking, there is no answer in RAW.
    Something is either RAW or not RAW. What you suggested is not RAW, and that is not what the OP wants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    Libris mortis introduced the monstrous vampire, why not just houserule a monstrous lycanthrope too, after all, the trope is werewolves vs vampires, why not give them the same toys.
    Just because they are adversaries doesn't mean every aspect of their existence has to be a carbon copy of the other one. They can be different. And monstrous vampires were actually introduced in Ghostwalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wristlet Eater View Post
    It can be inherited too, though.
    Yeah, it's inherited from, at some point in it's ancestry, an afflicted lycanthrope. So how does a construct have afflicted lycanthrope parents? Undead lycanthropes are already technically possible anyway as long as you become a lycanthrope first, then become an undead, but not the other way around, so that's honestly irrelevant anyway.
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    So it appears besides Rule 0/homebrew, my best options are Half-troll or Human Heritage (where it can be applied)?

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    How about the Tauric Creature template? If base humanoid have Lycanthropy, he's still legal...
    (Also, any other template which change type from Humanoid to Monstrous Humanoid)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crake View Post
    Yeah, it's inherited from, at some point in it's ancestry, an afflicted lycanthrope. So how does a construct have afflicted lycanthrope parents?
    Well, don't know about the parents, but a construct could get it if he had Greater Humanoid Essence cast on him.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    How about the Tauric Creature template? If base humanoid have Lycanthropy, he's still legal...
    (Also, any other template which change type from Humanoid to Monstrous Humanoid)
    I think there is an existing Monstrous Humanoid he wants to put the template on.

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    How about Monstruous Lycanthrope from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamorlin View Post
    How about Monstruous Lycanthrope from Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary?
    That is 3rd party though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wristlet Eater View Post
    I think there is an existing Monstrous Humanoid he wants to put the template on.
    Then how about the Polymorph spell? Turn into Humanoid (or Giant), infect, spell wears off, infection stays...

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