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2017-08-03, 10:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
HPoH called a (Lawful, presumably) devil, albeit whilst still a thrall, so that points towards him being LE.
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2017-08-03, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
Fair point. I'd forgotten that. He could still be NE, I suppose; I'd accept an argument for either way, based on his behavior.
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2017-08-03, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
Keep in mind that if Durkon is going to successfully pull something on the vampires, it's not going to be just yet (with Roy and co. nowhere nearby.) So it's more likely that this is just setting things up for later by establishing what the rules of this memory-thing are.
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2017-08-03, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 12:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
I mean, a lot of things could have happened, but they didn't. Durkon obviously had the memory in there, so he learned it at some point, but he wasn't able to recall the necessary information on his own, which I'd expect someone with good ranks in Knowledge: Religion to do, which is what we were talking about in the first place.
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2017-08-04, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2017-08-04, 01:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 02:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
I'm pretty sure thralls don't work that way. They may be compelled to follow the instructions of their sire, but there isn't any other instance I know of in D&D where simply controlling another character makes them change alignment, so I doubt it does that for thralls either.
Also, I don't think there's any guarantee Malack was LE? I had him pegged more as NE.
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2017-08-04, 02:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 03:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
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2017-08-04, 03:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 05:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
"Everything's ready", "We need a big room to get all of our work done"...
What have they been up to, apart from killing clerics? I kinda think we won't like the answer.
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2017-08-04, 05:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
Or, it will be a banquet hall soon, again.
But as others have pointed out, Durkon is confronted with an evil spirit that is in the process of subsuming his entire being.
Undurkon has taunted Durkon with "you soon won't be around anymore", several times even, so I guess that is it with vampirism in OotSverse: The vampire gains full strength once it has completely taken control of the bound host-soul. He takes control not automatically after a certain time, but once he has crushed all hope, love and positive emotions of the host. Then, host and vampire merge and become one - something that happened with Malack long ago, the original tribal shaman has long faded away. I guess that the vampire spirit achieves this merging by taunting the host, confronting him with evil acts and dark spots of his past, convincing the host that all hope is lost, and by suppressing positive emotions. How quick will that be? Dunno, but Undurkon's "soon" makes me think this is not a long-term development.
Thus, being confronted with positive memories is strengthening Durkon's bound soul against the psychic assaults of the vampire's spirit. What good that will be, has to be seen. Okay, it would be a big surprise if Durkon can overthrow the vampire completely just because Roy tells him his exile is over. But Undurkon making errors that lead to his demise... I think we can all see that.
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I guess either this is a plan cooking of which we will see a big reveal later; or the insert point of a bonus strip, or both. My guess is that it is something bloodier than this (or this).Last edited by Onyavar; 2017-08-04 at 05:59 AM.
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2017-08-04, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
I love trying to predict incredibly detailed eventualities. The banquet hall is close-ish to the ceremony hall. So maybe the ancient hallowing still holds (Hallow spell). So magic circle against evil on the entire premise, turn undead/command undead becomes harder, and other spell described under hallow is permanent in the area, I feel dimensional anchor along with another sealed dwarven gate would delay the vampires. Maybe the way Vampirism works in the world the mental control of Durkon (and the other vampires) can be suppressed and rolled again in the magic circle.
If Durkon has the upper hand, Durkula cannot prepare spells to banish the hallowing. If Durkula has the upper hand, he still has to waste time and spells to dispel the anchor or hallowing. Loosing 6th level spell(s) to undo it with greater dispel magic may give the others a fighting chance as I feel a standard dispel magic won't cut it.Last edited by Spore; 2017-08-04 at 06:36 AM.
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2017-08-04, 06:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
I don't think it's anything to do with the vampire's strength--Durkula is as strong now as he's likely to get, barring a heck of a lot of XP (that level adjustment as a vampire can't be good at his level). It's more to do with absorbing all the knowledge of the imprisoned soul.
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2017-08-04, 07:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
I hope when this Vampire Arc is over, Durkon will retain his snarkyness.
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2017-08-04, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
There's a good chance Durkon exceeded the amount of thralls he could have by the time he vampirized this human. Looking back at her first 2 appearances, she's the only vampire who seems disinterested and only cares about feeding. And now in these past few strips she's the only one not to call Durkon "Master" and seems to be the most independent thinker of Durkon's spawns.
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2017-08-04, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Dukon, Durkon, Durkon...if you could feed Durkula any lie at all, you'd choose those? Subtlety is truly a lost art.
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2017-08-04, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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I like what you did there.
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2017-08-04, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
Changing any on-line strip to fix a small typo is not a priority, new or old. I believe Rich does correct his local copy, so it gets fixed when he publishes them, but seldom does he re-upload a comic with fixes. He is interested in catching these mistakes, though, since he is on record as reading the first few pages of each comic discussion thread to see if any such mistakes are mentioned.
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2017-08-04, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
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2017-08-04, 10:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
Interesting list. Especially considering most of those things could happen. Haley might refuse payment if the person she helped was both good and poor (e.g., dirt farmers), Belkar could totally run a public cook off at some point that happens to feed orphans, and Elan has been doing some thoughtful level-up planning as of late.
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2017-08-04, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
I believe that's his ma, not his wife. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0962.html
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2017-08-04, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-04, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread
Did we ever see the old, rotund dwarf who is sleeping in this strip (and is possibly Durkon's grandfather) speak, in a previous strip?
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2017-08-04, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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