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2017-08-09, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-09, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-09, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, but less sense than forcing the person to park, and therefore giving them the chance to store the alcohol in the boot. Handing over alcohol to the driver of a vehicle in a drive-through is just asking for the guy/gal to open it immediately. And even those who resist the temptation will be driving with alcohol within hands reach by definition, which has terrible optics for everyone else in the road.
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2017-08-09, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Open container laws. If there's an open alcoholic beverage anywhere in the car, even if the driver stone-cold sober and it's a passenger in the back drinking, both driver and passengers get ticketed. Second instance gets licenses suspended.
And if a driver were to crack one open himself, I don't think that having to get out of the car would be all that big a deterrent.
ETA: In Alabama, at least.
And as far as "in arm's reach" goes.... have you seen American cars?Last edited by Peelee; 2017-08-09 at 10:10 AM.
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2017-08-09, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, I know. That's the optics I was talking about. A police officer can't possibly "see" if an alcoholic container is open inside a moving vehicle - just that is is an alcoholic container. Heck, as a driver, I worry every time I see anyone drinking from any container while driving, even if on second look it turned out to be coffee, because I don't have time for a second look.
You'd be surprised. Like with other human impulses, convenience is a massive weight in the decision making process. The temptation to open a, say, beer that is sitting on the seat next to you is a lot higher than parking the car to go get one from the back.
I have, but if you are in the driver's seat, and someone hands you a bunch of stuff through the window, you probably put them down within arms reach, because its not like you are in a position to do otherwise. The size of the car is not the factor, as much as the limited mobility of the driver.
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2017-08-09, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's not a bad word, I'll grant you that. But I think the term "store" in American English usually means "place where you buy things then leave". Grocery Store, Liquor Store, etc. I can't think of any "stores" that involve consuming your purchase on premises.
New Orleans (my hometown) has drive thru daiquiri shops. You drive up and they hand you a frozen daiquiri. They're not allowed to put the straw in it, though, since that would make it an open container. So literally they give you all the ingredient necessary to drink and drive, you just need to put the straw in the cup yourself.
(Also, on a side note, dedicated liquor stores or off-licenses are rare in New Orleans. Every gas station and grocery store can sell you liquor to take home)Last edited by littlebum2002; 2017-08-09 at 10:24 AM.
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2017-08-09, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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And "presumably" not immediately opening the bottle when it's handed to you, but I mean, it's right there.
As a fellow Louisiana native, I miss* the old open container law, where the only law was that you had to have one fewer open container in the car than people in it. (Hey, it's fine if everyone but the driver is drinking.)
(* - by "miss" I mostly mean "for its sheer audacity")
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2017-08-09, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-11, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also the same shops often cater for other vices Cigerettes (hence aka tobacconist) and Newpapers (hence aka newsagents). Because of this they could be open for longer, which might be why the name stuck.
And also standard essentials (which aren't advertised, hence aka grocer's) and sweets.
They are often on the corner, in which case aka Corner shop
In terms of USlish
I guess a minimart?
Apu's shop in the Simpsons would be typical in style though a bit big (and for that matter similar in history to a high minority, and you could probably transfer stereotypes).
As well as the General store.
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2017-08-11, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-11, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes.
Although for the name (technically at least) the only important thing is that it is Licenced to sell Alcohol for Off premises consumption [as already noted]. So
it could include a pure 'Liquor store'. And that (original) meaning matches the initial joke better.
But because of the overlap in a convenience store, don't be surprised if object and shop-name don't match.
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2017-08-11, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-11, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-14, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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This may only be a Minnesota thing, but we have places called "On/Off Sale". Establishments that double as both a bar and liquor store, for flyspeck towns that couldn't support one of each...
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2017-08-14, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah. First discovered one in Texas in 1986 when a friend and I went to get a case of beer. It's still in business at the same location. They also sell ice by the boat load, and dry ice. The latter is key to keeping a cooler full of ice cream cold when your kids are in little league and it's your week for snacks.
PS: wine and whiskey not sold at that drive through, originally, though I think wine is now OK.
Mostly beer, and unopened.
Originally Posted by littlebumLast edited by KorvinStarmast; 2017-08-14 at 12:29 PM.
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2017-08-14, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Reminds me of a Prohibition era story, which I used to think it must have been an urban legend, but it seems was absolutely true: that some vineyards, faced with their only product having been outlawed, instead sold "grape juice concentrate" with a note explaining how to dissolve the concentrate in a gallon of water. Then right below it, the note would continue with a warning instructing you not to leave that jug in the cool cupboard for 21 days, or it would turn into wine.
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2017-08-15, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-16, 05:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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I tend to use off-license for the shops which only sell booze. Technically my local corner shop is an off-licence, and for a long time now most supermarkets in the UK are also off-licences, but I wouldn't normally call them that.
Fun fact: in Australia they are bottle-shops, because, y'know, they're shops, and most alcohol is sold in bottles.
As opposed to being shops which sell bottles.
And despite that a lot of the alcohol is actually sold in tinnies (aka beercans).Geez, what is it with that guy and needing to figure out all the fiddly little details?
I know, right? It's called "Suspension of Disbelief"...
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2017-08-16, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-17, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-17, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2017-08-17, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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For the record, alcohol laws vary significantly by state and even county. It's one of the most idiosyncratic aspects to living here. In some (appropriately called "dry counties") you can't purchase alcohol of any kind. In others, spirits are not purchasable outside of bars and similar establishments. In others, you can get spirits in any corner store or even pharmacy. It's all over the place.
There are only a few laws that apply uniformly across the map, like the 21 thing and the 0.08 BAC minimum.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2017-08-17, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I don't remember what county this was in; Washington County might be my best guess? It was on Highway 290 from Houston to Austin, after the turn.
I am indeed very familiar with Spec's.
And even those latter points weren't always universal-- it essentially took threats of taking away federal funding to get some states on board. (You could buy alcohol in Louisiana at 18 up until 1995.)Last edited by Ruck; 2017-08-17 at 01:16 PM.
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2017-08-17, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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